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Old September 6th, 2010 (5:35 PM).
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    Okay, I have some bad news. Even though it's not particularly about DarkViolet, it's about the future of Pokémon Saga.

    Let me say this once again, Pokémon Saga is supposed to be 4 games. Two of them are on GBA, and the other two are on DS. The GBA ones will be DarkViolet and Jade, while the DS ones will keep their official names, HeartGold and Platinum. Anyways, so when the time comes to start, "Pokémon Saga - Platinum", one of the things that will be changes is the PokéDex order. As you guys know, in Platinum, they were really lazy in the Sinnoh Dex expansion that they just added Pokémon to the end of that, and it looked really weird because there were legendaries in the middle of the Pokedex. Since I'm going to re-order it (but keep the Pokémon the same), I did a Sinnoh Dex test edit just to see if it will work. Just for testing purposes, I simply changed the Sinnoh Dex to the Johto Dex. Here were my results:


    As you can see, Pokémon that weren't originally in the Sinnoh Dex will not display numbers. That will not be a problem, since in Pokémon Saga Platinum, the Pokémon in the Sinnoh Dex will be exactly the same, but it will be re-ordered to make sense. This is what I want the Sinnoh Dex order to be:
    Spoiler:

    Turtwig
    Grotle
    Torterra
    Chimchar
    Monferno
    Infernape
    Piplup
    Prinplup
    Empoleon
    Starly
    Staravia
    Staraptor
    Bidoof
    Bibarel
    Kricketot
    Kricketune
    Shinx
    Luxio
    Luxray
    Abra
    Kadabra
    Alakazam
    Magikarp
    Gyarados
    Budew
    Roselia
    Roserade
    Zubat
    Golbat
    Crobat
    Geodude
    Graveler
    Golem
    Onix
    Steelix
    Cranidos
    Rampardos
    Shieldon
    Bastiodon
    Machop
    Machoke
    Machamp
    Magby
    Magmar
    Magmortar
    Psyduck
    Golduck
    Burmy
    Wormadam
    Mothim
    Wurmple
    Silcoon
    Beautifly
    Cascoon
    Dustox
    Combee
    Vespiquen
    Pachirisu
    Buizel
    Floaztel
    Cherubi
    Cherrim
    Shellos
    Gastrodon
    Elekid
    Electabuzz
    Electivire
    Heracross
    Aipom
    Ambipom
    Drifloon
    Drifblim
    Buneary
    Lopunny
    Rotom
    Togepi
    Togetic
    Togekiss
    Duskull
    Dusclops
    Dusknoir
    Gastly
    Haunter
    Gengar
    Misdreavus
    Mismagius
    Murkrow
    Honchkrow
    Magnemite
    Magneton
    Magnezone
    Glameow
    Purugly
    Goldeen
    Seaking
    Barboach
    Whiscash
    Ralts
    Kirilia
    Gallade
    Gardevoir
    Chingling
    Chimecho
    Stunky
    Skuntank
    Meditite
    Medicham
    Spiritomb
    Bronzor
    Bronzong
    Nosepass
    Probopass
    Ponyta
    Rapidash
    Lickitung
    Lickilicky
    Bonsly
    Sudowoodo
    Mime Jr.
    Mr. Mime
    Scyther
    Scizor
    Happiny
    Chansey
    Blissey
    Porygon
    Porygon2
    Porygon-Z
    Cleffa
    Clefairy
    Clefable
    Chatot
    Pichu
    Pikachu
    Raichu
    Hoothoot
    Noctowl
    Munchlax
    Snorlax
    Unown
    Gligar
    Gliscor
    Riolu
    Lucario
    Wooper
    Quagsire
    Wingull
    Pelipper
    Absol
    Eevee
    Glaceon
    Jolteon
    Umbreon
    Vaporeon
    Espeon
    Leafeon
    Flareon
    Rhyhorn
    Rhydon
    Rhyperior
    Girafarig
    Houndour
    Houndoom
    Hippopotas
    Hippowdon
    Yanma
    Yanmega
    Tropius
    Azurill
    Marill
    Azumarill
    Skorupi
    Drapion
    Tangela
    Tangrowth
    Croagunk
    Toxicroak
    Carnivine
    Swablu
    Altaria
    Remoraid
    Octillery
    Finneon
    Lumineon
    Tentacool
    Tentacruel
    Feebas
    Milotic
    Mantyke
    Mantine
    Snorunt
    Froslass
    Glalie
    Snover
    Abomasnow
    Sneasel
    Weavile
    Swinub
    Piloswine
    Mamoswine
    Gible
    Gabite
    Garchomp
    Uxie
    Mesprit
    Azelf
    Dialga
    Palkia
    Giratina
    Manaphy

    So you may ask, if the Pokémon are going to be the same, then what's the problem? Well, the numbers won't display in the correct order. For instance, it will say that Giratina is #210 even though I moved it to #209, it will say that Manaphy is #151 even though I moved it to #210, and it will say that Dialga is #149 even though I moved it to #207, etc.

    However, that's not much of a big problem considering the problems I had with HeartGold: I tried the same thing with Platinum, except in reverse. So I changed the Johto Dex to the Sinnoh Dex. Here were my results:

    As you can see, it's A LOT glitchier than what happened with Platinum. Only Pokémon that appear in the HG/SS Johto Dex AND the Platinum Sinnoh Dex are listed (yes, Lickilicky is in the Johto Dex in HG/SS).

    Here is what I want the new Johto PokéDex to be in Pokémon Saga HeartGold:
    Spoiler:

    Chikorita
    Bayleef
    Meganium
    Cyndaquil
    Quilava
    Typhlosion
    Totodile
    Croconaw
    Feraligatr
    Pidgey
    Pidgeotto
    Pidgeot
    Hoothoot
    Noctowl
    Sentret
    Furret
    Rattata
    Raticate
    Pichu
    Pikachu
    Raichu
    Caterpie
    Metapod
    Butterfree
    Weedle
    Kakuna
    Beedrill
    Ledyba
    Ledian
    Spinarak
    Ariados
    Geodude
    Graveler
    Golem
    Zubat
    Golbat
    Crobat
    Cleffa
    Clefairy
    Clefable
    Igglybuff
    Jigglypuff
    Wigglytuff
    Togepi
    Togetic
    Togekiss
    Ekans
    Arbok
    Dunsparce
    Mareep
    Flaaffy
    Ampharos
    Wooper
    Quagsire
    Gastly
    Haunter
    Gengar
    Unown
    Onix
    Steelix
    Bellsprout
    Weepinbell
    Victreebel
    Hoppip
    Skiploom
    Jumpluff
    Poliwag
    Poliwhirl
    Poliwrath
    Politoed
    Magikarp
    Gyarados
    Goldeen
    Seaking
    Slowpoke
    Slowbro
    Slowking
    Oddish
    Gloom
    Vileplume
    Bellossom
    Abra
    Kadabra
    Alakazam
    Pineco
    Forretress
    Nidoran F
    Nidorina
    Nidoqueen
    Nidoran M
    Nidorino
    Nidoking
    Yanma
    Yanmega
    Sunkern
    Sunflora
    Bonsly
    Sudowoodo
    Wynaut
    Wobbuffet
    Scyther
    Scizor
    Heracross
    Koffing
    Weezing
    Grimer
    Muk
    Magnemite
    Magneton
    Magnezone
    Aipom
    Ambipom
    Snubbull
    Granbull
    Vulpix
    Ninetales
    Growlithe
    Arcanine
    Stantler
    Azurill
    Marill
    Azumarill
    Machop
    Machoke
    Machamp
    Tyrogue
    Hitmonlee
    Hitmonchan
    Hitmontop
    Girafarig
    Miltank
    Magby
    Magmar
    Magmortar
    Smoochum
    Jynx
    Elekid
    Electabuzz
    Electivire
    Mime Jr.
    Mr. Mime
    Smeargle
    Farfetch’d
    Natu
    Xatu
    Qwilfish
    Tentacool
    Tentacruel
    Shuckle
    Corsola
    Remoraid
    Octillery
    Chinchou
    Lanturn
    Seel
    Dewgong
    Eevee
    Vaporeon
    Jolteon
    Flareon
    Espeon
    Umbreon
    Leafeon
    Glaceon
    Horsea
    Seadra
    Kingdra
    Gligar
    Gliscor
    Delibird
    Swinub
    Piloswine
    Mamoswine
    Teddiursa
    Ursaring
    Phanpy
    Donphan
    Mantyke
    Mantine
    Skarmory
    Murkrow
    Honchkrow
    Houndour
    Houndoom
    Slugma
    Magcargo
    Sneasel
    Weavile
    Misdreavus
    Mismagius
    Porygon
    Porygon2
    Porygon-Z
    Happiny
    Chansey
    Blissey
    Lapras
    Aerodactyl
    Dratini
    Dragonair
    Dragonite
    Larvitar
    Pupitar
    Tyranitar
    Raikou
    Entei
    Suicune
    Lugia
    Ho-oh
    Celebi

    As you can see, I only want 210 Pokémon, not 256. Now most of these Pokémon listed above are in the HG/SS Johto PokéDex, but there are certain Pokémon that weren't, such as Azurill, Magmortar, Weavile, etc. The only narc file that resembles PokéDex data is at a/0/7/4, while another place is at 0x64D2180. If I were to change the order to the way I wanted (the list above), then the Pokémon order would not be right, and Pokémon that weren't there originally, such as Azurill, Magmortar, and Weavile, would not appear at all even though they would be in the list. (and there's a graphical glitch where the textboxes don't show up)

    Now I know this doesn't affect DarkViolet at all, but like it or not, DarkViolet has always been a part of Pokémon Saga, even when it was called ShadowAmethyst. I guess I'll continue working on DarkViolet and Jade, but finding out that I won't be able to edit the PokéDex the way I want it in future Pokémon Saga games really sucks the motivation out of me.

    Right now, DarkViolet and Jade are fine, but Platinum is a little screwed, and HeartGold is VERY screwed. I was really looking forward to playing through Johto the way I wanted to, and that was part of my motivation. But now a huge chunk of my motivation is gone, knowing that at this point I may never be able to complete Pokémon Saga the way I want it.

    I mean, sure, I give you the National Dex in DarkViolet right away, but that's not what I want in the final version. I guess the only way to make it work right now is simply: Pretend regional PokéDexes don't exist. That means I might have to give you the National Dex right away in all 4 Pokémon Saga games, but I REALLY do not want to do that.
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