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Old December 17th, 2012 (1:56 AM).
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Cacturne is also extremely frail and poison types are everywhere in NU, and even Amoonguss can OHKO it (iirc), so while it has all that, there's a lot of negatives and a lot of things that can easily beat it. There's also a lot of part-flying types, hail is around now so expect Blizzard spam, and even psychic types can sub then Signal Beam and Cacturne is like "ononokusu" (except it isn't in that tier but W/E).

I'd say the best hazard setter (w/ spikes at least, that is) is Garbodor due to its defenses, speed, access to tspikes and spikes and can do well against a lot of opponents.

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