The Rainbow Connection [LGBTS Club]

I kind of get what you mean. When I was a kid I often thought about my wedding day. I imagined myself standing at the altar of a church (because that was where I thought weddings had to be) while a woman with pale white skin and long dark hair walked down the aisle toward me - she was absolutely beautiful.

I'm not sure whether that makes me more or less gay...

Well, if you still think she's beautiful. lol

Oddly enough I've always hated the idea of a wedding. I'd rather just love the person I want to love, and not have to shout it out to the world... but I'm a fairly shy person, so I guess that's why.

Shining Raichu said:

I kind of get what you mean. When I was a kid I often thought about my wedding day. I imagined myself standing at the altar of a church (because that was where I thought weddings had to be) while a woman with pale white skin and long dark hair walked down the aisle toward me - she was absolutely beautiful.

I'm not sure whether that makes me more or less gay...

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Depends on whether you also imagined you were the wedding planner.

I can't speak to that video personally since the gay people I know are mostly nerds who-happen-to-be-gay and don't belong to big gay crowds or anything. But obviously hypocrisy makes you look really, really bad, and it's especially bad when you're trying to be the de facto spokespeople and supporters for someone like an anonymous bullied gay kid in school and you treat people bad.

I actually disagree a bit with that video. This isn't an issue that's gay-specific. People judge other people based on their looks, or to be more blunt – how much or how little they want to have sex with them. It happens all the time. You see straight guys say this about girls, "no fat chicks" "big boobs don't count if you're fat" among a bunch of other insults. And then you see women do the same to men: "he's fat", "he's balding", " he's got too much body hair".

It bothers me that he's calling out gay people specifically for this and making the community as a whole seem like hypocrites because "as gay people we should know better". Everybody is bullied in their lives for something about themselves; even straight people. Therefore everybody should know better.

We're no better or worse than anybody else, and why should we be expected to be? To hold us to a different standard than anybody else who judges somebody by the way they look is frustrating because treating us different because we're gay – in any form – is the exact sort of thing we're fighting against. Gay people don't need to change; people need to change.

Not cool, Mr Wavey. Not cool.

Isn't the message itself a good one regardless of who is saying it? "Don't be all hateful and mean."

The message is of course good and noble, I just dislike the exclusivity of the group to whom he's preaching it. I think overall he's a good role model in that he's completely open about who he is and has no shame in talking about any and every aspect of homosexuality or sexuality in general (something to which we should all aspire) but with this message... I think if he was going to do an anti-hate message, he could have executed it far better.

Everything about it is accusatory and has this "shame on you" feel to it which I really don't like, simply because he's taking a universal problem, falsely labeling it a gay community problem and then scolding us for it.

Well, as I said I can't speak for "the gay community," but if there is some level of what he's talking about going on wouldn't it be best if a member of the community said something about it? I guess you'd call that self-policing. It's like if we suddenly got a bunch of nasty members at PC trolling this and other forums we'd want one of us to tell them to stop rather than some outsider who might just paint all of us as troublemakers by association.

I don't think it's really that big of a deal, and he is right, but like Andy said, it isn't a problem exclusive to gays.

The reason why he directs it to gay people is because the majority of his subscribers are gay. He is just asking his viewers to set an example for how they treat and talk about others. I think that bullying and trash-talking among the LGBT community is a problem. Although there are many other settings and facets of people who treat each other poorly he does not mention, it does not mean his message is a derogatory one. It's like saying that those fundraising to find a cure for cancer are failing to mention the struggle that those with AIDS, HIV, Alzheimer's, heart disease, diabetes, and other health conditions live with, and therefore are not properly advocating for our citizens' health.

Also, because he is shirtless and covers a variety of subjects, it does not necessarily mean that he is not in a position to advocate for treating others with respect, nor does it make him a superficial hypocrite. We don't need to criticize people for when they advocate for camaraderie in the gay community. Progress has got to start from somewhere.

Regarding the daveywavey video, I agree with -ty-, though Shining Raichu did make some good counter-points. c:

And on a different note entirely, can I join? :D

Welcome alehizzle :D

As a person who's spent hours watching Davey Wavey videos before, the potential hypocrisy of standing there shirtless and speaking out against others judging people on how they look never really occurred to me whatsoever. I think it's a ploy to grab attention to his videos because he's hot as hell, and it's just what he's always done - so that never really bothered me. I don't think that means he shouldn't be able to vlog about whatever he feels strongly about, because he's just doing what he has to do to be heard. It never really made me question his legitimacy or his propensity to be taken seriously.

But that said, to come at the point I was trying to make earlier from a different angle, there are ways to get your mesage across without alienating the people to whom you're trying to preach it. Personally, I've never seen a blog and commented on it with mean-spirited things about people's appearances so I don't necessarily count myself in the target audience for this video. If I were though, an angry rant video with a title that screams "SOMEBODY NEEDS TO CALL PEOPLE LIKE YOU OUT!" isn't something to which I would ever respond positively. I would get immediately angry and I would not take in the message at all because people don't like being called out. It's an inflammatory thing to do and all it does is make people defensive. Despite what you see in the movies, it doesn't result in people having epiphanies about themselves and vowing to change their ways.

So I don't think this video is going to get anybody anywhere (no matter how many comments it gets saying "omg you're soooooo right Davey xoxoxo").

Thankfully that was before I joined... cuz I would've been against it at the time. =/

(Although, literally no one on the first page of that thread was against it... so I'd say people were pretty good about it then too, although I didn't read past the first page. lol)


Edit: Looking back some of the posts I made on it though, I can't find any posts of mine that were against gays/gay marriage. That's kind of surprising... guess I just never posted about it that long ago.

This is the oldest post I can find that mentions sexuality in any way... like 1.5 years ago:

I don't personally believe you are born with ANY sexual preference. Granted your body is designed for a specific use, but that may or may not come into play. Really, all we are is the culmination of all of our experiences in life. A gay person's experiences lead him or her to be Gay. It wasn't a decision, and they weren't born that way.

Example: I've been exposed to far more yaoi than I would like lately, due to the anime that I'm watching, and all of the girls on deviantart drawing yuri one day and then after I deviantwatch them, they seem to draw nothing but yaoi. I'll admit, just because I'm exposed to it so much, I have a little nagging feeling inside that wants to try it. Now, I'm straight, and I'm going to stay straight, if I have anything to say about it, but this is the perfect example of how our experiences shape who we are.

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^ Guess I didn't have anything to say about it. :P