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The Mathematics Club ~ *ΜΑΘ* ~

Rossay

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I'll join, I tutor maths as a part-time job, so feel free to ask for help lol.

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University
Do you think you can be asked for help in your level or lower?:
Sure.
 

Spinor

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Happy seriously late Pi day and St. Patrick's day.....


... Well, a good topic would be to ask of all of you what you think of the concept of Tau, now that's it's nicely brought up. I think there can definitely be decent ways for Tau and Pi to coexist.
 

NurseBarbra

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Tau and Pi have to co-exist, Or else nothing would work. The universe is one of these things where if they are each constant seperatally, they must be constant together.
 

ShinyMeowth

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Pi is well-known all over the world. Ditching it is just going to confuse people. It would be a huge inconvenience. I have read the article and understood what the guy was thinking, but my opinion is he is just a bit crazy.

I do not see the point in celebrating "Pi day". Sure, the number is useful, but I don't understand why it could have a fanbase. After all, Mathematics is definitely not about just constants, so celebrating it here is actually just an insult to our intelligence.
 
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Had a look through that test paper. Did some of the questions, the non-Statistics ones because they can be done without stats software.

Q3
Spoiler:


Q4
Spoiler:


Q6B
Spoiler:
 
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... Well, a good topic would be to ask of all of you what you think of the concept of Tau, now that's it's nicely brought up. I think there can definitely be decent ways for Tau and Pi to coexist.
I've not yet been taught Radians, or how they're used in Calculus, but I know what they are, and I think that Tau should be used in at least that instance.
I think with basic equations of the circle/sphere (circumference, area, surface area, volume) Pi is fine. It wouldn't really be any easier to remember with Pi or Tau.
Because I don't really use Pi that much (at this early stage) I'm not too bothered. If when I learn calculus or more complex trig, I might use Tau in my head, to understand it better.
I do not see the point in celebrating "Pi day". Sure, the number is useful, but I don't understand why it could have a fanbase. After all, Mathematics is definitely not about just constants, so celebrating it here is actually just an insult to our intelligence.
I "celebrate" it as more of a joke. Because Pi is so big, and so common in nature especially, it's almost like celebrating the beauty of nature and mathematics itself. That, and it gives me an excuse to eat pie.
 

Alakazam17

[b]Long time no see![/b]
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Wow, this thread has been around for nearly two months and I'm just noticing it now. I'lll join as a full-pledge member, as I've always been a mathophile. XD

Username: Alakazam17
Overall Education Level: 3rd Year University
Mathematics Education Level: University level knowledge, between 2nd & 3rd year standing.
Do you think you can be asked for help in your level or lower?: Anything lower, definitely. As for my exact level, it'd be on a case-by-case basis.
Life = The Universe = Everything = : 42

And as for a math joke, I'll see if I can remember the just of this one made by my first year university professor:

lim sin(x)/n = 6
x->0

Anyone see what he did there? =D
 
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Another one:
ln e = 1
ln e = one
Cancel n and e from both sides:
1 = 0
This works better written out.
 
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This place is dying :(
Anyway, I just had my Calculus finals today. And one of the questions that I was soooo intrigued to solve (but so far haven't managed to do so yet) is this one:

Verify that
integral.png


I got pi/2, lol.

*whispers* ILPy, it's a pi! :P
 
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Hmm alright I took a look into it using a computer package.

y = 1/(1 - x^2)^(1/2) + 2*(1 - x^2)^(1/2)

int(y)

ans = 2*asin(x) + x*(1 - x^2)^(1/2) [where asin(x) = arcsin(x)]

Substituting the limits gives;

2*pi/2 + 0 - 0 - 0 = pi
 
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Hmm alright I took a look into it using a computer package.

y = 1/(1 - x^2)^(1/2) + 2*(1 - x^2)^(1/2)

int(y)

ans = 2*asin(x) + x*(1 - x^2)^(1/2) [where asin(x) = arcsin(x)]

Substituting the limits gives;

2*pi/2 + 0 - 0 - 0 = pi

Yes, WolframAlpha says the same thing. But how do you prove it? And we didn't learn about arcsin yet. Is there a way to solve it yourself without computer help, do you know?
 
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There's probably some trigonometric property you needed to know lol. I'll check my formula book now . . .

1/(1-x^2)^1/2 = sin^-1(x)

That's the property you needed.
 
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There's probably some trigonometric property you needed to know lol. I'll check my formula book now . . .

1/(1-x^2)^1/2 = sin^-1(x)

That's the property you needed.

>.< Yeah, I got that. But I got stuck after this
equation.png


5. 3 sin^-1 (x)], x=0 to 1 + .....?

The 2x^2 should be manipulated somehow. I tried using the identity (integral [du/(a^2-u^2)^1/2] = sin ^-1 u/a), but it doesn't work. I think that's because a is a constant, and not a variable. I used 1/x^2 for a, and 1/x for u. :P
 
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Arcsin is the inverse function of sin, you might have seen it written as sin^-1.
e.g. sin pi/2 = 1, so arcsin 1 = pi/2.
Note that the range of arcsin x is -pi/2 to pi/2, so arcsin 1 = pi/2 and not, say, 5 pi/2 (even though sin 5 pi/2 = 1)

For me, instead of turning t back into x, I changed the limits and evaluated based on t:

Let x = sin t.
dx/dt = cos t
dx = cos t dt

First we change the upper and lower limits from x to t. arcsin 0 = 0 and arcsin 1 = pi/2.

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= 0 - 0 + pi - 0
= pi

PROTIP
If you see sqrt(a^2-x^2), try to sub in x = a sin t.
For sqrt(x^2-a^2), sub in x = a sec t.
For sqrt(a^2+x^2), sub in x = a tan t.

@Drakow: Nitpicking here. It's incorrect to use 1 and 0 as the upper/lower limits after subbing x for t. You must either change the limits (as I did), or start off with the indefinite integral for x so that you don't need to write the limits for t.
 
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