I am not for either forcing somebody to add information in the form of prefixes, OT's/ID's. I'd at least like the people if they are doing a shop to list the friend codes of what they are trading on for the sake of them not having to reiterate what they are trading on all the time. But that also seems to fall under forcing people to use suffixes and OT/IDs. As far as users providing more of their own OT in EV shops I think we should leave it up to the user themselves instead of making a ruling on it. Yes putting stuff of their own in circulation is a good thing, but I think we should let the users decide on the amount since it is their shop after all. And I am for the 16-20 rage.
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Yeah, now that I see it this way, seems the best way to work this out.
This gonna be big!!!
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I personally like the idea of the graveyard seeing as im getting tired of bumping my thread lol and I also like the idea of a cloning sticky
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Ok time to get back into the discussion.
I love how you are actually getting involved in this discussion, no sarcasm intended. I have been on other forums, not just gaming, where the owner/admin/general mods did not even stop the obviously 'bad' happenings, smut posts member bashing general disregard for the "rules".
So thank you for that/this. (if this sounds like a suck-up moment it is not)
I am really looking forward to the changes that are happening.
I believe that this means RNG help is one that will be in effect? I sure hope so.
Agreed, I would really have liked to have this when I first started. Even now my thread is below average/down right atrocious compared to many others.
I believe that one big question is going to be what being a 'veteran' service provider is going to entail the strangers part is along the same line. If it is a matter of number of posts then it would be a problem for those that only use the trade thread, posts do not count to the total. Length of time on PC? Well I suppose this would work, but there are many here that just joined and are very good at what they do, just pointing it out.
Payment wise, I agree with what you said, it should be decided by the cloner, but within certain limits, nothing like "Give me 3 flawless per clone" be reasonable. Most would go for keeping a copy or something.
I do not believe that this should be implemented. Although it would be easier to monitor, same could be said about doing it within shops. Post that you have the service and go from there, mods coming in to check on them,or make a complaint sticky...forget that.
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I love how you are actually getting involved in this discussion, no sarcasm intended. I have been on other forums, not just gaming, where the owner/admin/general mods did not even stop the obviously 'bad' happenings, smut posts member bashing general disregard for the "rules".
So thank you for that/this. (if this sounds like a suck-up moment it is not)
I am really looking forward to the changes that are happening.
I believe that this means RNG help is one that will be in effect? I sure hope so.
Agreed, I would really have liked to have this when I first started. Even now my thread is below average/down right atrocious compared to many others.
I believe that one big question is going to be what being a 'veteran' service provider is going to entail the strangers part is along the same line. If it is a matter of number of posts then it would be a problem for those that only use the trade thread, posts do not count to the total. Length of time on PC? Well I suppose this would work, but there are many here that just joined and are very good at what they do, just pointing it out.
Payment wise, I agree with what you said, it should be decided by the cloner, but within certain limits, nothing like "Give me 3 flawless per clone" be reasonable. Most would go for keeping a copy or something.
I do not believe that this should be implemented. Although it would be easier to monitor, same could be said about doing it within shops. Post that you have the service and go from there, mods coming in to check on them,
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^ Not fair. Some people just don't know what they are.
That's highly impractical, or probable. Some pokemon such as events the IV's and EV's aren't even necessary to list. Most people are against the listing of prefixes, OT/ID of some or your own pokemon then surely having them enforce this on all of them is not going to happen.
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Some people cant list IVs and EVs because they don't know enough about them while others don't know how to calculate them so your idea isn't very good IMO although I think all posters "should" display their FCs if they want to trade so theres no You: "alright whats your FC"
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Other person : " oh I was in the wifi room waiting heres my FC.........."
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I can do that once I have time (i.e. when I have a weekend with no homework). I'll try to make it as professional looking as possible, but I'd still need someone to proofread it once it is done though.
Yeah, I understand. If you do end up allowing Self-Editing of prefixes, would it also be possible to add a "Giveaway" prefix?
I'd like to state my case here: The rule for the amount of your OT in EV/IV shops is currently Five. It used to be ten a little while ago (idk why it was changed). I just want it to be restored to what it used to be. This rule would pretty much be to prevent people from stocking their shops with mostly Pokémon that have been cloned and redistributed to practically everyone (i.e. Mat, some others). It is unhealthy for the Trade Corner and it drives people away from trading here, as evidenced by these posts in TC Daily Chit Chat (from a little while back). With all of the new RNG guides that are going to be coming up, it should be easy enough to stock your shop with your own Pokémon.
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My only concern with this is that it will drive away the a lot of the people here. I personally believe that the majority of the people that visit PC are, and I use the term lightly, noobs. I have seen many 'traders' that are on for a day or so and leave after getting what they want.
While there are many 'pro' trainers here, myself not included, there are more that are casual gamers. As the rise for IV/EV pokemon goes up people will enter the site and say 'What the heck are those.' go through the guides, think that it is to much trouble and leave.The guides will only help those that want to get into the game not the casual gamer.
What I believe will happen is that there will be a decrease in shops and an increase/flood in the Quick Trade, along with an increase in Elite traders and a decrease in over all active members.
So while yes I am getting annoyed in finding the same OT on many of the pokemon that I trade, I believe that increasing the amount needed in a shop would be detrimental over all in the long run for the site in its entirety. So overall I have to say I am against.
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Uhhh, casual gamers usually don't care about IVs and EVs. The rule (as it stands now) only applies to IV/EV shops. Dex filler shops, egg move shops, and such are not included under the rule. If they want to stock a flawless Pokémon or two (not of their OT) in their shop that should be fine, as long as it does not become the primary focus of their shop. Also, notice that IV and EV shops are lumped into the same category. If someone really wants to start a shop, the Pokémon they stock don't have to be just flawless, they can be EV trained as well.
Regardless, the barrier to entry for "newbies" that you speak of is already there with the current rule (minimum of 5), so I really don't see your point here.
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What I am saying is that if the 'newbies' see that there are shops that are searching for IV/EVd pokes they will be scared off when they find out what it is and how to obtain them.
If by chance a shop opens that's focus is IV/EV and the person in question does not have the required amount of pokes, it would be a simple matter to explain to the person that they need to have the required amount of them. Same applies even if the limit is raised.
Regardless I do understand where you are coming from, your argument is valid, and I do not see either of us changing our standing I would like to offer a solution to this.
You have more of a point than I do, your side of the argument being more withstanding, and the fact that I would love to see more people both reading and using the new guides that we will hopefully be getting. Added to the fact that you are one that would be writing a guide yourself, as I am lead to believe, along with your pointing out that we have lost some very good traders because of this, I am willing change my standing on this subject to For rather than against. I will also try and gain support towards this endeavor in any way I can. Agreed?
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^ I'm against the whole "OT/ID" thing, I think Twilight Blade confused me for Pokeswimmer xD
Hmmm..... what about a Black list for the whole of Trade Corner and maybe a White list too?
People post on the thread if they've received Hacks or had bad experiences and the named user will be added to the black list. As for the White list people can post on the thread users that have been generous or trustworthy, if that user gets their name posted on the thread lets say three times they are added to the White list :)
People post on the thread if they've received Hacks or had bad experiences and the named user will be added to the black list. As for the White list people can post on the thread users that have been generous or trustworthy, if that user gets their name posted on the thread lets say three times they are added to the White list :)
Seems like something could lead to a potentially flame war. If the member has an issue take it up with the Staff not air your discourse with them to the public. I am not for a forum black list or black lists in peoples topics in that matter.
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I think we already talk about it about it,Greg, and TwilightBlade stated that it is no longer for open discussion
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It's already been mentioned before and it didn't go down well. It can often lead to people being neglected from some simple misunderstanding, or elitism in newer players as in if you're not on the whitelist, you're not a good trader. Having personal lists shows who the player finds trustworthy and not based on their judgement, since everyone is different.
As for one more idea; the increasing the amount of Pokemon, sure people can go starters only, but that only means you have to increase the amount of work people put in for other Pokemon. Those sorts of people who are just starting something like RNG abuse and want to put their Pokemon up. I don't want to make it confusing, but maybe have exceptions for the type of Pokemon they're allowed to put up? It could be so people who put hard work into their Pokemon, such as Egg Moves, IV'd Pokemon etc. don't have to put up as many Pokemon for trade as those who have say, random starters, which mind you they still have to work for.
tl;dr I'm in the not sure section, leaning towards against.
As for one more idea; the increasing the amount of Pokemon, sure people can go starters only, but that only means you have to increase the amount of work people put in for other Pokemon. Those sorts of people who are just starting something like RNG abuse and want to put their Pokemon up. I don't want to make it confusing, but maybe have exceptions for the type of Pokemon they're allowed to put up? It could be so people who put hard work into their Pokemon, such as Egg Moves, IV'd Pokemon etc. don't have to put up as many Pokemon for trade as those who have say, random starters, which mind you they still have to work for.
tl;dr I'm in the not sure section, leaning towards against.
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