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What is Live Journal anyway? Is it a place where you can easily share fan fics or something? (Like a cross between FF.net and Twitter?). I'm kind of surprised at myself though, that I only stick with Facebook...

Astinus said:

*Your statement in general*

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You offered the opinion that you enjoyed that season and gave reasons why, and I "wandered in" and said I didn't like it. I wasn't trying to be contrary and I didn't argue your opinion at all. I just said I didn't like it, in the same way people in real life can be in a group talking about something and someone else can say "Yeah, I don't like it." Bringing up points and reasons for that opinion isn't necessary because I'm not writing a college thesis.

Err... how about a nice question? Haven't seen one of those in a while. Since I have moved on from my bad-karma-inducing character development, I've taken up the reigns of devloping some villains instead. Which begs a question or two:

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.

Oh yes, and I want a Ralts. :C

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.
I feature Team Rocket in my main fic since Mewtwo is a major plot point and character. No characters besides Giovanni himself are included, but his role is pretty big.

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.
Yeah, Team Rocket is going to feature in my story, though I haven't decided yet if there's going to be any admins or not. If there are, there's probably only going to be one since I don't think I'll have enough room for a second.

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.
In my future fic, yeah. I"m actually going to use the admins that are revealed just moments ago, considering the story will take place at Johto and I'll use some events from the games too as plot points. However, I'll also put in a few twists with both the admins and the overall plot of my story.

Redstar said:

You offered the opinion that you enjoyed that season and gave reasons why, and I "wandered in" and said I didn't like it. I wasn't trying to be contrary and I didn't argue your opinion at all.

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When you outright state that you thought someone's favorite (insert something here) sucks, they're going to want reasons for it because, yeah, that sort of thing just doesn't make friends, Redstar. It's like someone coming in here and saying fanfiction sucks and we're not real writers and leaving it at that. It's not about writing a college thesis. It's about the fact that, to be equally blunt, you don't really think all that much about what you're saying to people and then wonder why those people start growling at you like kicked Dobermans. You can say you do, and I'm sure on a level, you do. But still, coming in and saying someone's favorite season -- the season they thought excelled in terms of writing and whatnot -- was, in your words, "crap" (and not even "I didn't really care for it, but I can respect your opinion." or "It's just not my favorite season." but instead "I can personally attest that season four was crap.") and leaving it at that seems to me like it exercises all the prudence of sticking your hand in an alligator cage because your cell phone slid between the bars as it's ringing.

Sorry to state it like that. Furthermore, frankly, I'm not particularly in the mood for drama. It's just that I'd like to say I can see why Astinus would reply that way to you.

Giratina of Never-Turn-Back said:

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.

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Admittedly, yes. AEM's got an excuse for abusing the Team Rocket trope because it is Team Rocket. And, well, the military and the Committee. All of them (except the Committee) have sub-bosses, naturally. Team Rocket has, well, yeah. The NDF lets me use military ranks that may or may not be accurate to any branch of military in existence.

MKD sort of has them in the form of political parties and the Trio, but everyone face-heel-turns and heel-face-turns so often I'm not even sure any of them can actually be called villainous.

Valentine said:

When you outright state that you thought someone's favorite (insert something here) sucks, they're going to want reasons for it because, yeah, that sort of thing just doesn't make friends, Redstar. It's like someone coming in here and saying fanfiction sucks and we're not real writers and leaving it at that. It's not about writing a college thesis. It's about the fact that, to be equally blunt, you don't really think all that much about what you're saying to people and then wonder why those people start growling at you like kicked Dobermans. You can say you do, and I'm sure on a level, you do. But still, coming in and saying someone's favorite season -- the season they thought excelled in terms of writing and whatnot -- was, in your words, "crap" (and not even "I didn't really care for it, but I can respect your opinion." or "It's just not my favorite season." but instead "I can personally attest that season four was crap.") and leaving it at that seems to me like it exercises all the prudence of sticking your hand in an alligator cage because your cell phone slid between the bars as it's ringing.

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I understand where you're coming from, and my initial post may have been inflammatory, but it does serve as irritation when anyone suggests interest in things that are typically reviled by critics. Star Wars is just one such example, which I honestly can't understand why anyone likes. It's a crappy story, directed by a crappy director, with harmful messages and shamelessly ripped off from Dune. I can't respect anyone's opinion in liking it.

Digimon is a different matter, truly, but I can't say I'll enjoy a show where the only female character transforms into a a fairy wearing a pink armor-bikini.

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.
Not so much a Team Noun, but there are certain groups of people that work to thwart the protagonist. Probably the closest to the traditional "Team Rocket" trope in this story is a group of elite assassins known as the Moonlight Squad. There are no mini-commanders in this group, as it consists of about twenty people. :P

Redstar said:

but it does serve as irritation when anyone suggests interest in things that are typically reviled by critics.

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Incidentally, you happen to be in the Pokémon fandom, whose anime is often given mediocre to low ratings by various anime sites and has had one of its movies ripped apart by the Nostalgia Critic.

But it's interesting to see that you've basically just stated that we should just follow the reviews of critics instead of form our own opinions about anything at all. *thumbs up*

Seriously, though, I respect your opinion, but you've really got to respect everyone else's. Sure, you might not like it because you think it's crap. The critics might not like it because they think it's crap (although this isn't so with the Star Wars example). But people still like it. If you're going to say something's crap, you might as well phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like you're taking a long leak on someone else's thoughts.

And she also transformed into a badass harpy.

Valentine said:

Incidentally, you happen to be in the Pokémon fandom, whose anime is often given mediocre to low ratings by various anime sites and has had one of its movies ripped apart by the Nostalgia Critic.

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I'm not exactly sure what the anime has to do with anything, since I haven't watched it in years. And I've never heard of the "Nostalgia Critic".

Valentine said:

But it's interesting to see that you've basically just stated that we should just follow the reviews of critics instead of form our own opinions about anything at all. *thumbs up*

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I didn't mean to suggest that we shouldn't form our own opinion, but needlessly declaring something badly written or filled with "plot holes" when there are none is something that should be relegated to those that have experience dealing with them. *thumbs down*

Valentine said:

Seriously, though, I respect your opinion, but you've really got to respect everyone else's. Sure, you might not like it because you think it's crap. The critics might not like it because they think it's crap (although this isn't so with the Star Wars example). But people still like it. If you're going to say something's crap, you might as well phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like you're taking a long leak on someone else's thoughts.

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I do respect others opinions, and I didn't say I had any distaste for Astinus' interest in the fourth season. She gave it a positive recommendation, I gave it a negative one. That's usually how it goes. (And I've yet to see a positive review for Star Wars that wasn't baseless. It's reviled by the science fiction community and writing/literature in general. George Lucas spouts Campbell, but he sure can't write Campbell)

Valentine said:

And she also transformed into a badass harpy.

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Who?

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.

Let's just say... One of them tries to... >.>

Hmmm for my history of English class, my prof has alluded to a assignment to do with the OED (Oxford English Dictionary), not that I expect people to know, but it would seem that it has been done before, does anyone know what such an assignment might entail? It would seem as though she wanted us to find a word that the OED had recently added, that is not really English... Though I am unsure.

Redstar said:

I'm not exactly sure what the anime has to do with anything, since I haven't watched it in years. And I've never heard of the "Nostalgia Critic".

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You just said it irritates you when someone likes something the critics don't approve of. I just gave you an example of something you're probably following (and I will have to look up IGN's review of Emerald, but I have the sneaking suspicion they didn't say it was stellar, either) that isn't approved by critics.

I didn't mean to suggest that we shouldn't form our own opinion, but needlessly declaring something badly written or filled with "plot holes" when there are none is something that should be relegated to those that have experience dealing with them. *thumbs down*

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So, uh, fans can't have their own opinions of subject material and should only let the critics talk about what was good or bad about something?

Not to mention... didn't you do the same thing to describe the fourth season? You know, said it was filled with flat characters when there really are none (according to certain arcs of that season)? Not to mention you're a student and not a professional critic yourself?

I do respect others opinions, and I didn't say I had any distaste for Astinus' interest in the fourth season.

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You called one of her favorite seasons crap. Your words, even. In response to her post. While you might not have said anything that was meant to be personal, you pretty much walked in, called her favorite thing crap, and walked out thinking that'd be the end of it.

It's reviled by the science fiction community and writing/literature in general.

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Really? Because it's got quite a massive fanbase, last I checked. Not to mention tentacles everywhere in pop culture (including other sci-fi media and things that are clearly not rip offs of it *hackcoughEragoncoughhack*). I don't really think that's called reviled right there.

Who?

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The same only-female character who transformed into the pink-armored fairy. She won back points, I feel.

Valentine said:

You just said it irritates you when someone likes something the critics don't approve of. I just gave you an example of something you're probably following (and I will have to look up IGN's review of Emerald, but I have the sneaking suspicion they didn't say it was stellar, either) that isn't approved by critics.

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The anime is for prepubescent kids and serves as advertisement for the games. It doesn't need to have the depth of Gargoyles.

Valentine said:

So, uh, fans can't have their own opinions of subject material and should only let the critics talk about what was good or bad about something?

Not to mention... didn't you do the same thing to describe the fourth season?

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No, fans can have their own opinion... But when they start throwing around terms like "Mary Sue" and "Plot Hole" and don't even know what it means, then I get annoyed. (Not saying Astinus did that)

Valentine said:

I said it, yes, but I know of many others that feel the same way.

Valentine said:

You called one of her favorite seasons crap. Your words, even. In response to her post.
I called the season crap. I didn't say her opinion was crap, nor did I say she herself was crap.

Valentine said:

Really? Because it's got quite a massive fanbase, last I checked.

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There's a clear distinction between a visual medium and a written medium. Star Trek, for example, is almost universally applauded for its many advances in story-telling and use of science, while Star Wars is treated as a mild fantasy. The literary side of it is also pretty rabid. I've read one good Star Wars work, and it was a comic.

And fanbase doesn't equate to quality. The reviews, critiques, and analysis of Star Wars are pretty bad. (Though the original trilogy fares better, Lucas practically screwed himself with the prequels. All the crap he was subtle about before was shoved down our throats)

Valentine said:

The same only-female character who transformed into the pink-armored fairy. She won back points, I feel.

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A ninja harpy, Val. That's bonus points. (But she's still sporting a tummy shot, as well as her human form wearing a belly shirt. Previous female characters weren't so sexist)

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Redstar said:

The anime is for prepubescent kids and serves as advertisement for the games. It doesn't need to have the depth of Gargoyles.

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I think the most-quoted problem critics have with it is the fact that it has no depth. Whatsoever.

But when they start throwing around terms like "Mary Sue" and "Plot Hole" and don't even know what it means, then I get annoyed. (Not saying Astinus did that)

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Wait. If you're not saying that she did that... then why are you bringing it up?

See, this is why I say you might want to give what you're saying a bit more thought. It's not meant to be offensive. It's just meant to say I think you're unintentionally insulting the crap out of the people whose opinions don't align with yours.

I said it, yes, but I know of many others that feel the same way.

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Well, sure. Frontier's not a popular season, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone thinks it's crap or should think it's crap. Moreover, it doesn't mean it should be shocking if you encounter someone who actually likes it and responds to your statement of dislike (especially if it's only "it's crap") by asking you to back it up in order to make it sound less like you're personally insulting them.

And fanbase doesn't equate to quality.

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While this is true, what I'm saying is that even if a small group of professionals who might not actually be active participants in the sci-fi community and are more along the lines of simply film or lit experts in general didn't like it, it doesn't mean that it's hated by the entire community. Sci-fi writers, artists, even fans still count as part of the sci-fi community, and it's still overall a positive reception by them.

'Course, I've also yet to actually read negative Star Wars reviews that had to do with the first three movies. No comment about the latest ones because, yeah, those I know weren't that well-received by critics or the audience in general.

A ninja harpy, Val. That's bonus points.

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Exactly.

(But she's still sporting a tummy shot, as well as her human form wearing a belly shirt. Previous female characters weren't so sexist)

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Eh, it's a shounen anime. You just have to come to expect that it's going to be sexist on some level.

Valentine said:

Wait. If you're not saying that she did that... then why are you bringing it up?

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You wanted to know why I'm irritated by this or that or whatever my brain can't process right now why I posted in the first place.

Valentine said:

See, this is why I say you might want to give what you're saying a bit more thought. It's not meant to be offensive. It's just meant to say I think you're unintentionally insulting the crap out of the people whose opinions don't align with yours.

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It's all a matter of perspective. I didn't say "Oh my god! How can you think that! I hate that season. It's crap." That could feasibly be taken as me insulting her, but really I just said I hadn't seen Adventure 02 in awhile and was going to, and on a side-note "I think Frontier is crap." That wasn't the focus of my post, just an add-on. (Everyone seems to dislike Dracula, but if I ended my post with "And I can personally vouch that I think Dracula was marvelous." would you guys think I was insulting anyone just because my opinion was contrary?)

Valentine said:

'Course, I've also yet to actually read negative Star Wars reviews that had to do with the first three movies. No comment about the latest ones because, yeah, those I know weren't that well-received by critics or the audience in general.

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I'd be glad to message you some instances where the series overall was analyzed as pulp smut, granted they're mostly from the same guy. (But he is a prominent science fiction writer and works for NASA)

It is possible to show how deep something really is... anything really (but I have a link in my sig for Pokemon and Philosophy). Heck, there is even a book out there for Family Guy and Philosophy. XD

Hmmm we could chalk up some evidence as to why people were or are interested in Pokemon...

I find that I enjoy the movies more though, as they sometimes have a broader view on themes such as heroism, sacrifice and innocence.

Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.

I have a villainous "group," but I wouldn't really call it a "team." It's comprised of a select few individuals that are trying to take over the government by staging a coup. There's one evil guy for every good governmental type, so their idea is to just kill all the higher-ups and take their places, smoothly and effectively.

Feign said:

It is possible to show how deep something really is... anything really (but I have a link in my sig for Pokemon and Philosophy). Heck, there is even a book out there for Family Guy and Philosophy. XD

Hmmm we could chalk up some evidence as to why people were or are interested in Pokemon...

I find that I enjoy the movies more though, as they sometimes have a broader view on themes such as heroism, sacrifice and innocence.

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lolwut. Did you bring this up because of the analysis of Star Wars bit? Either way I'm fascinated by the same thing, and my fic is basically entirely about the philosophy and spirituality of the Pokemon mythos. I should probably check out your group.

And I absolutely revile Family Guy. I only have one reason, and that's all I need.

Redstar said:

I understand where you're coming from, and my initial post may have been inflammatory, but it does serve as irritation when anyone suggests interest in things that are typically reviled by critics. Star Wars is just one such example, which I honestly can't understand why anyone likes. It's a crappy story, directed by a crappy director, with harmful messages and shamelessly ripped off from Dune. I can't respect anyone's opinion in liking it.

Digimon is a different matter, truly, but I can't say I'll enjoy a show where the only female character transforms into a a fairy wearing a pink armor-bikini.

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*eyes turn yellow*

*pulls out yellow and pink lightsabers*

*holds said weapons menacingly*

*moves towards Redstar*

Although I do see your point. Only some of the books are good. In fact, most.

Crap:
Jedi Prince arc, the novelisations, DK Reader arc, Dark Forces novelisation...

Good:
Shatterpoint
The Cestus Deception
Order 66
Hard Contact
True Colours
Triple Zero
and so on.

And the harpy was awesome.



Now, does anyone else here enjoy post-apocalyptic fairytales?