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Old January 30th, 2010 (7:39 AM).
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Sorry guys if this is in the wrong section, could a mod be so kind as to move it where it belongs?

Okay the 3rd generation of Pokemon has seen many rom hacks as it seems to be the best gen to have many tools. But since there is the DS games I thought that someone would step on the scene to make tools to hack the new generation. It would be nice if we could remake Red on the DS or even Ruby. So basically I'm wandering why we can't hack the DS games yet...is it alot more complicated to make tools hackiable to the 4th gen?
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    there HAS been hacks on the 4th gen. but u cant make any maps for it i hear.
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    Old January 30th, 2010 (9:11 AM).
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    You can hack it but because the graphics are so complicated you cant map.... Why would you want to remake Red? We already have heartgold XD
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    Old January 30th, 2010 (9:32 AM).
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    This is in the wrong section but no worries, I'll move it over to the Rom Hacking forum for you. For future refrence, that's where all hacking discussions belong.

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    And why not? Heartgold doesn't have the same story line as Red does.
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      If I recall, the typical answer for these was:

      Do it yourself. Learn how to.

      However, I only did that as that is what Sebbe would have done. What my thing is: A map editor isn't about tiles anymore, but 3D models. THAT will be harder, so... I doubt it will be made easily.
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      It's much harder to hack without a map editor...
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          Well, if you want it so bad, make one yourself. Not everything has been discovered about FR/LG, or R/S/E yet, and seeing as that is what all the people who actually make tools are still working on, it would be nice, as it is your hacking generation that will have D/P/Pt and HG/SS to hack like we do Advance Generation, you should make the tool.

          I can't explain things today... Basically, the people who are making tools currently are still focusing on the older generations, as they grew up with that. Your hacking time has come, and you all love HG/SS, so why not pick up where they left off - make tools for it yourself? Why ask for someone else (apart from laziness, because if you were very bone-idle, why hack at all? Making tools could be as fun, if done right), when you can take all the credit, and be remembered for a while?
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            and seeing as that is what all the people who actually make tools are still working on, it would be nice, as it is your hacking generation that will have D/P/Pt and HG/SS to hack like we do Advance Generation, you should make the tool.

            I can't explain things today... Basically, the people who are making tools currently are still focusing on the older generations, as they grew up with that.
            Then there are those of us, who never did any hacking for 3rd gen, and only work on 4th gen. However, on PC there is not enough interest for what is done so far, because everyone is babied with what can be done for 3rd gen. So they look at what we can do in 4th gen and say "Well you can't map yet, so that's useless". Outside of PC there are alot of 4th gen ROM edits. Obviously nowhere near as exhaustive as 3rd gen ROM edits, but they'll get there. I would not be surprised if PC found out way after the fact, though.
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              Then there are those of us, who never did any hacking for 3rd gen, and only work on 4th gen. However, on PC there is not enough interest for what is done so far, because everyone is babied with what can be done for 3rd gen. So they look at what we can do in 4th gen and say "Well you can't map yet, so that's useless". Outside of PC there are alot of 4th gen ROM edits. Obviously nowhere near as exhaustive as 3rd gen ROM edits, but they'll get there. I would not be surprised if PC found out way after the fact, though.
              Ah, I really should have edited my post... I realise that there are some who didn't do 3rd Gen, after reading the old thread.

              I know there are a lot of 4th Gen edits, and PC only seems to edit the Advanced ROMs mainly, and I really want tools for D/P/Pt, but not that badly. If I did want it that badly, I'd learn how to make tools, and then scour all of the ROM, seeing what does what. One of the problems is that most of the hackers who want to hack D/P/Pt have limited knowledge of hacking or modifying at all, and only use tools. That isn't their fault, they know no better (especially the ones on PC). But if they want the tools, they need to realise that they could create them themselves.
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              But to make the tools you would need knowledge on the methods that are used within the 4th gen, heck 5th gen is arriving and it will be much harder than.
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                heck 5th gen is arriving and it will be much harder than.
                Erm, no.. As it'll still run on the NDS.
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                Erm, no.. As it'll still run on the NDS.
                The only thing that'll be new is possible DSi-mode stuff.
                Erm, yes... I've read that the new gen games will be different from the ones we play today and if that happens to be the case than things WILL be harder.
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                  Erm, yes... I've read that the new gen games will be different from the ones we play today and if that happens to be the case than things WILL be harder.
                  Not necessarily. Each system has its own "standard" data structures for common game components. In the DS's case that's images, models, animations, sounds, etc. Since the 5th generation will be on the DS like the fourth generation it's likely that those elements I just mentioned will be able to be hacked with the same knowledge and/or tools, which is a huge time saver.

                  We won't be starting from square one as has been done in past generations.
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                    Ok ive been planning on making a D/P/Pt Mapping tool called Diamond Map but i have no idea of how the GBA or DS mapping works so i wanted to compare them.
                    but im hearing about 3D models etc. and i was thinking it would require alot of time but i was thinking would it be worth it due to lack of credit for such an awsome tool?
                    O.o I wouldnt even be remembered like Lu-Ho isnt.
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                      Ok ive been planning on making a D/P/Pt Mapping tool called Diamond Map but i have no idea of how the GBA or DS mapping works so i wanted to compare them.
                      but im hearing about 3D models etc. and i was thinking it would require alot of time but i was thinking would it be worth it due to lack of credit for such an awsome tool?
                      O.o I wouldnt even be remembered like Lu-Ho isnt.
                      First off, if you're making a tool for popularity or credit, you're doing it wrong.

                      Second, I think you might want to know something about hacking before trying to make tools. It IS pretty hard with all those models and thingies.
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                        Hacks have been made such as Pokemon Deathly Diamond and Pokemon Platinum Plus.

                        Encounter data has not been found in Pokemon HGSS, so you cannot edit locations of Pokemon. The only thing I have been able to find in HGSS is the script, and maybe some sprites, along with D-Trogh's findings...
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                          The main reason why a map editor hasn't been made is just because pokemon DPP and HGSS use 3d graphics, so making a map with those graphics would need a shat load of hex, for the shadows, dimensions and all that jazz.
                          Although some progress has been made in mapping, some people have been able to add simple things like flowers into maps, but I don't know know of anything else.
                          A few people have also managed to make scripts with hex.
                          So, if you really want to make a 4th gen hack, learn hex.

                          Of course I personally know almost nothing about hex and asm.
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                            in refferal to the 5th gen discussion, ive come over the information that the 5th gen will include photo and microphone mechanics, and if you want to hack that, it will be hard.
                            anyway, for the 4th gen hacking tools, theres a thread in this main section right here, so try that ; )
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                              in refferal to the 5th gen discussion, ive come over the information that the 5th gen will include photo and microphone mechanics, and if you want to hack that, it will be hard.
                              anyway, for the 4th gen hacking tools, theres a thread in this main section right here, so try that ; )
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                              This thread is about the 4th gen. Taken in the context that Pokemon ROM edits are mainly made for 3rd gen, the next gen is 4th.
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                                in refferal to the 5th gen discussion, ive come over the information that the 5th gen will include photo and microphone mechanics, and if you want to hack that, it will be hard.
                                anyway, for the 4th gen hacking tools, theres a thread in this main section right here, so try that ; )
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                                Not confirmed. And why would you need to hack photo and microphone features?
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                                  There is a map VIEWER for the fourth generation. Which can be found here. It may not be a map editor, but a map viewer is a step in the right direction.
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                                  So far as what I've heard... the next generation handheld will be the Nintendo 3DS. Which I am 100% sure that the 5th generation Pokémon games will be on that new handheld which will be shown at this year's E3 (on June 15th, 2010).

                                  Which basically means we'll be even more stuck in the past in ROM hacking if we cannot make a 4th generation map editor.
                                  I'm pretty sure the 5th generation will have actual models of characters rather than sprites. As far as I'm conserned... we aren't getting anywhere in creating a map editor for the 4th generation. Man I wish I knew how to program, then I possibly might be able to create one.

                                  Models, blocks, offsets, scripts, movement permissions, and boarder blocks. Those are the things I've realized in the 4th generation. If only if I learned how to make programs and all that... it could be possible I would've made one by now.
                                  Sadly... I have to take many courses before I would be able to know how to make programs. Which would possibly take a very long time indeed (probably about 6 or more years).

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                                  There is a map VIEWER for the fourth generation. Which can be found here. It may not be a map editor, but a map viewer is a step in the right direction.
                                  A map viewer would be indeed be good enough in viewing the maps and all that... all we need now is something to be able to edit all of that. The question is... how?
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