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So far as what I've heard... the next generation handheld will be the Nintendo 3DS. Which I am 100% sure that the 5th generation Pokémon games will be on that new handheld which will be shown at this year's E3 (on June 15th, 2010).

Which basically means we'll be even more stuck in the past in ROM hacking if we cannot make a 4th generation map editor.
I'm pretty sure the 5th generation will have actual models of characters rather than sprites. As far as I'm conserned... we aren't getting anywhere in creating a map editor for the 4th generation. Man I wish I knew how to program, then I possibly might be able to create one.

Models, blocks, offsets, scripts, movement permissions, and boarder blocks. Those are the things I've realized in the 4th generation. If only if I learned how to make programs and all that... it could be possible I would've made one by now.
Sadly... I have to take many courses before I would be able to know how to make programs. Which would possibly take a very long time indeed (probably about 6 or more years).


A map viewer would be indeed be good enough in viewing the maps and all that... all we need now is something to be able to edit all of that. The question is... how?
Well, a bit of thinking can do wonders.

Using the same interface, change the portion that views the map to make a click 'n drag interface. Then, make a list of the building models, and make an XYZ drag display to make different sized buildings. Than, make a list of the songs and make a drop list to make that happen. Done. A "Simple" map editor for 4th gen. But, if 5th gen is 3D, that may not be possible.
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crap...didn't we just now come out with the DSI?
dangit! i just got one too....now i can't play the 5th gen games cuz of the new ds comin out?
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    crap...didn't we just now come out with the DSI?
    dangit! i just got one too....now i can't play the 5th gen games cuz of the new ds comin out?
    It will be for normal ds nintendo confirmed it
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    It will be for normal ds nintendo confirmed it
    NO WAY! Since when did they announce this? I thought they were making the 3DS for these new games. Or can they be compatible with both? I don't think so.
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    Old April 2nd, 2010 (11:48 AM). Edited April 2nd, 2010 by tinix.
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      NO WAY! Since when did they announce this? I thought they were making the 3DS for these new games. Or can they be compatible with both? I don't think so.
      It was annouced with reveal of zorua and zoroark
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      Old April 4th, 2010 (11:23 AM). Edited April 4th, 2010 by Platinum Lucario.
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      Prahaps in the 5th Generation will also have a sky? 'Cause I know in the 4th generation, there was no sky at all. Probably the 5th generation will have a camera angle adjusting like what Pokémon Colosseum did.

      But I am assuming the sprites will be 3D Models with black lines around the outside which will always be facing you and adjusting to whatever side of the model.

      EDIT: I know it will defenantly be for the Nintendo 3DS, 'cause...
      1. The Nintendo DSi doesn't have games that are made exclusively for it, only the DSi Ware Games.
      2. The Nintendo DS won't have enough space on the card to fit in 250 extra Pokémon. And the improvments would require a file size of 1.10 GB.

      Who knows if the Nintendo 3DS will have very small optical disks or cartrages?
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        The only thing closest to a map editor for GEN4
        Is the PG4 Map viewer its somewhere on the toolbox
        Hopefully the guy who made that willprogress it into a editor
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          Prahaps in the 5th Generation will also have a sky? 'Cause I know in the 4th generation, there was no sky at all. Probably the 5th generation will have a camera angle adjusting like what Pokémon Colosseum did.

          But I am assuming the sprites will be 3D Models with black lines around the outside which will always be facing you and adjusting to whatever side of the model.

          EDIT: I know it will defenantly be for the Nintendo 3DS, 'cause...
          1. The Nintendo DSi doesn't have games that are made exclusively for it, only the DSi Ware Games.
          2. The Nintendo DS won't have enough space on the card to fit in 250 extra Pokémon. And the improvments would require a file size of 1.10 GB.

          Who knows if the Nintendo 3DS will have very small optical disks or cartrages?
          5th gen WILL BE FOR NORMAL DS and here is quote from bulapedia
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          ...have been announced to have an expected release date of late 2010, and will, in an unprecedented move, be released for the Nintendo DS, the same console as Generation IV's main series games...
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          5th gen WILL BE FOR NORMAL DS and here is quote from bulapedia
          When they define "DS", they define it as any version of the DS. It could be for the DS, DSi, or the 3DS. No one knows, yet. Just because they say "for the Nintendo DS", it doesn't mean that it will be for the DS lite/DSi/DSIXL. It still has the chance to be used on the 3DS, unless the 3DS is released after the Gen 5 games.
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            When they define "DS", they define it as any version of the DS. It could be for the DS, DSi, or the 3DS. No one knows, yet. Just because they say "for the Nintendo DS", it doesn't mean that it will be for the DS lite/DSi/DSIXL. It still has the chance to be used on the 3DS, unless the 3DS is released after the Gen 5 games.
            Okay... But the 5gen will be released later this year and 3DS in 2011 and also there is written "same console as IV generation games" proof of release 3DS in 2011 http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100323e.pdf and nintendos annoucment it will be for ds
            http://translate.google.sk/translate?hl=sk&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokemon.co.jp%2Finfo%2F2010%2F01%2Fg100129_02.html (translated by google)
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            Old April 6th, 2010 (8:24 AM). Edited April 6th, 2010 by Sora's Nobody.
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            Prahaps in the 5th Generation will also have a sky? 'Cause I know in the 4th generation, there was no sky at all. Probably the 5th generation will have a camera angle adjusting like what Pokémon Colosseum did.

            But I am assuming the sprites will be 3D Models with black lines around the outside which will always be facing you and adjusting to whatever side of the model.

            EDIT: I know it will defenantly be for the Nintendo 3DS, 'cause...
            1. The Nintendo DSi doesn't have games that are made exclusively for it, only the DSi Ware Games.
            2. The Nintendo DS won't have enough space on the card to fit in 250 extra Pokémon. And the improvments would require a file size of 1.10 GB.

            Who knows if the Nintendo 3DS will have very small optical disks or cartrages?
            It is wrong that they wouldnt be able to fit in more pokemon, as the games are aprox. expandaple to double the size that is used for pokemon right now, the only reason they havent done that yet, is because they wouldnt be able to justify that they didnt add more features!


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            When they define "DS", they define it as any version of the DS. It could be for the DS, DSi, or the 3DS. No one knows, yet. Just because they say "for the Nintendo DS", it doesn't mean that it will be for the DS lite/DSi/DSIXL. It still has the chance to be used on the 3DS, unless the 3DS is released after the Gen 5 games.
            Im gonna go ahead an higlight in that short wuote, whee it exactly point out that it isnt gonna be on any other generation ds! Even tought the 3ds wasnt announced when this was written, people did expect the next generation to be on another console!

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            ...have been announced to have an expected release date of late 2010, and will, in an unprecedented move, be released for the Nintendo DS, the same console as Generation IV's main series games...
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              Old April 7th, 2010 (2:30 AM). Edited April 7th, 2010 by Platinum Lucario.
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              It's kinda weird having the 5th Generation on the Nintendo DS, since the Nintendo DS will might be the first handheld in history to ever have two generations on it.
              If it's gonna be on the Nintendo DS... then that would mean... all the model layouts and all that will be the same. And they will use both overworld and battle sprites once again. If only they announced the Nintendo codename 3DS at last E3. Or what if they have actually announced the 5th Generation too soon?

              But anyways, I'm sure all the mapping style will be exactly the same as the 4th generation. No difference whatsoever, which kinda sucks really, I was expecting more from them.
              I kinda wish I was a programmer, that way I would be able to create my first 4th and 5th Generation map editor.

              EDIT: If it really was on the 3DS... Pokémon Sunday would have no choice but to leak the info and the looks of the Nintendo 3DS. And I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't want that.
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              Just as a quick thought... Shouldn't the name of the thread be changed now that the names have been unbeiled?

              "Pokemon White/Black hacking"?
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                Just as a quick thought... Shouldn't the name of the thread be changed now that the names have been unbeiled?

                "Pokemon White/Black hacking"?
                You do know that PC Rom hacking basically lives in the 3rd gen. Here the next gen is 4th gen. Read the first post please.
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                  It would be usful to be able to hack the 4th gen games like the 3rd gen but it would probably be quite a bit harder.
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                  Yeah from the new looks of Black and white it will without a doubt be much tougher to hack.

                  NDS games can expand up tp 215 MBs because I downloaded one game that reaches that far but I forgot what game it was...think it was Phantasy Star 0.
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                    Yeah from the new looks of Black and white it will without a doubt be much tougher to hack.

                    NDS games can expand up tp 215 MBs because I downloaded one game that reaches that far but I forgot what game it was...think it was Phantasy Star 0.
                    The memory sizes have to be a power of two, so I don't think there's a game that's natively 215 megabytes. Maybe it's 256 trimmed to 215.
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                    Bingo! That's what it was, 256 MBs was how much space it was. I knew there was something weird with what I said.
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                      Your little wrong the 4th gen games are allready been hacked but hack is not based on DS games its for pokemon GBA Games like ruby and fire red and the hacks pokelight platinum and all other
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                          Um im pretty sure the 5th gen games wont be on the 3DS since theyre gunna be released before the 3DS
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                            Everyone in this community are like serious noobs. No one is a hacker if they use tools. Stop waiting and go hack somestuff. See what mewthree9000 has to say to all of you. I agree with him. follow this link.
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                            fail dude.
                            learn how to say your own words, then maybe people will actually listen to you. and also, posting the same god dang thing on two different threads (Btw, why do we have two of these threads? just a thought...) is really a bad idea, and makes you look dumber than a box of rocks. idk, maybe thats just me, but i doubt that.
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                            I agree with this.
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                            It's kinda weird having the 5th Generation on the Nintendo DS, since the Nintendo DS will might be the first handheld in history to ever have two generations on it.
                            If it's gonna be on the Nintendo DS... then that would mean... all the model layouts and all that will be the same. And they will use both overworld and battle sprites once again. If only they announced the Nintendo codename 3DS at last E3. Or what if they have actually announced the 5th Generation too soon?

                            But anyways, I'm sure all the mapping style will be exactly the same as the 4th generation. No difference whatsoever, which kinda sucks really, I was expecting more from them.
                            I kinda wish I was a programmer, that way I would be able to create my first 4th and 5th Generation map editor.

                            EDIT: If it really was on the 3DS... Pokémon Sunday would have no choice but to leak the info and the looks of the Nintendo 3DS. And I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't want that.
                            Ok...have you even seen the screenshots of b/w?
                            THERE IS NO EFFIN WAY that the mapping is gonna be close. If it is....idk, maybe i'll chew on my hat, but i say with about 80% sureness, that the mapping is gonna be different.
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                              Ok...have you even seen the screenshots of b/w?
                              THERE IS NO EFFIN WAY that the mapping is gonna be close. If it is....idk, maybe i'll chew on my hat, but i say with about 80% sureness, that the mapping is gonna be different.
                              Dissimilar as they may look, this guy is mostly right (even if it's for the wrong reasons). 3D file formats for the DS are standardized and almost all games made for the DS will use roughly the same formats for 3D and certain other materials.
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