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    Cliches and poor similies - examples

    dark: Dark as night, dark as midnight, etc.
    black: Black as jet, black as midnight, etc.
    What do you expect authors can compare to other things black?
    Black as stone? Black as my keyboard? Black as my pencil sharpener? Black as sewer water?

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    blue: Blue as the sky, blue as the sea, blue as the lake, etc. (Some seas and lakes are red when the sunrise is above 'em ) (OU.)
    Yes, but generally, aren't they portrayed as the color blue? Like I said above, what do you expect authors to compare blue with? Blue as a Winows XP toolbar? Blue as bed sheet? Think, dude. We might be creative but it's sometimes important to use your so-called "cliched similies."

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    Old November 1st, 2004 (10:58 AM).
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      I like oxymoron settings. That is, opening a story with a bright and sunny days but somethong horrible happens a moment later, or a trainer who is excited about going to professor Tree's place to get a new Pokemon but it's a gloomy and rainy day. Just as in real life, the environment can contradict the mood. Like how it was sunny yesterday but I had a lousy day at work :/.
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        Smilies and metaphors are rather lower level language skills that don't really contribute to major ideas or themes. They're just stepping stones to achieve those goals.

        First of all, all of those things that you listed are smilies, and smilies are so drilled into our head that they just come out naturally really. I didn't even count them as lit. device for part of the bonus when I review, because they're that common. They've been worked into our culture to just be part of our "normal conversation." Unless the similie is an oxymoron, contradiction or anything out of the particular, we really don't need to keep an eye out for them, even.

        Metaphor is just as easy to write, but a lot more difficult to use a metaphor effectively, and is very often important if it is used effectively. However, I really don't see too many of them in use here.
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        Old November 2nd, 2004 (1:12 AM).
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        Like I said, I. Have. Had. A. Bad. Day.

        I don't need a hat-trick of tears.

        Try debating with some kids in my class.

        I don't need this blow in the guts after the day I have had.

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        Use the English language properly.

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        Hope ya are happy.

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        Someone's crying.

        One's got the really low end of the deal.

        (I wonder who that was...)

        Find yourself someone else to hit. I don't need this. I'm tired, crying, and depressed.

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        Old November 26th, 2004 (9:24 AM).
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          I have a question about fan fics. What are one shots and hoennshipping fics? I have absolutely no idea.
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          Old November 26th, 2004 (11:03 AM).
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            oneshots are the equivalent of a short story

            Hoenshipping is BrendanxMay stories. Unless you learn the basics of what shipping is, you won't understand, of course.
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            Old November 27th, 2004 (6:31 AM).
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              Right... so what is a shipping fic then?
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              Old November 27th, 2004 (7:49 AM).
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              Shipping fics is when you believe aa certain relationship pair up should occur.

              Like, if you believe Ash and May should go together, it'll be => Hoennshipping. Kenta and Marina => Questshipping.

              Take a look a oni flygon's sig. He believes Yellow and Green sohould go together, and Yellow x Green => Feelingshipping.

              Dun ask me how they made up these names...because I mainly just picked them up. XP
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              Old November 27th, 2004 (11:10 AM).
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              Isn't Ash and May Advanceshipping...?
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              Old November 27th, 2004 (11:29 AM).
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                got the shipping mixed up, Lily ;p


                Most Common/basic fanfic shippings:

                Pokeshipping- Ash (Satoshi) / Misty (Kasumi)
                Gymshipping- Brock (Takeshi) / Misty (Kasumi)
                Hoennshipping- Brendan (Yuuki) / May (Haruka)
                Advanceshipping- Ash (Satoshi) / May (Haruka)
                Questshipping- Kenta / Marina (NO I refuse to tell you what are their TERRIBLE dub names!)


                Hmm... Lemme do some research, along with major copy+paste from pokespecial.tk and make a small list of all shipping? =p
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                Old November 27th, 2004 (11:35 AM).
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                okay okay, I admit.

                I'm not an advid shipper of any sort...all I remember is the hoennshipping. How do you remember these things? XD

                lol kthx..
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                Old November 29th, 2004 (9:50 AM).
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                    Old December 18th, 2004 (9:59 PM). Edited December 18th, 2004 by Yamato-san.
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                      Narrative C: Script narrative

                      This is usually discouraged because stories in script narratives are either absolute trash, or its definitely worth reading. Currently, I havent come across a good one yet...
                      hey Oni, I was just looking through this thread again and notice this line. Assuming you read my fic, and had as many good things to say about the writing as every other person to review it, would you mind editting it?
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                      Old December 18th, 2004 (10:23 PM).
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                        hey Oni, I was just looking through this thread again and notice this line. Assuming you read my fic, and had as many good things to say about the writing as every other person to review it, would you mind editting it?
                        It's usually discouraged because that's not the way most actual books appear. Also, in my opinion, it's a lot more touch and go, whereas a narritive style book usually touches base more on feelings, emotions, thoughts, environment, and considerations. Script is also used a lot more for humor purposes, and from seeing your fic, it's a lot more on the serious side.

                        Fan Fictions in Script can be quite good though, Hoenn Mirror World is a good example of a nicely written fan fiction in script format. Yes, it's your fic and you decide what you want to do with it, but I'm sure Oni is just trying to point out to new authors that Script format really shouldn't be used as a crutch to write a fic faster.
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                          are you calling Houen Mirror World's scripting better?
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                            Actually, in terms of scripting, Houen Mirror World is more of a hybrid scriptfic-narrative , as Houen Mirror World still has narratives. I did try to read Houen Mirror World, but I'm terribly picky on scripting formats because I just can't stand a scriptfic without stage directions >>; If you must insist on judging Houen Mirror World's format, it's either classifying it a hybrid, or call it a 6/10 for format correctness... missing out on the stage direction is a terror for a scriptfic, and it just instantly loses a lot of its meanings...

                            Script-fanfics are no way forced to humor, and in fact most professional script-novels have very serious themes. Miller's "The Crusable" done almost entirely in script besides the background context talks of religious fear, which is quite a controversial and serious topic (along with sexual immorality, manipulation, and many other themes). It's a script, and it's serious.

                            When a script fanfic is written nicely enough (almost impossible in a fanfic skill level of writing though), it conveys much more than what a 3rd person narrative can do.

                            1st person excel in first hand feelings and giving readers a sense of closeness. Script convey to us a theme/themes as we analyze the action of a character and how this theme affects whatever they do. 3rd person is the mixture in between. Narratives are more personal, while script always look on an issue as a whole, but both can talk of character emotions just as well.
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                              I decided to read through all the rules 'n' stuff, and there's a lot of it that I definitely dispute. These are just my rebuttals from my long (prize-winning) experience as a writer:

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                              -Oneshots (stories with just one chapter) should be at least 1400 words long
                              No way. They can be as short as you want them to be. There's no point pulling out certain stories to three times their original length. The story stagnates and becomes ultra-boring. Better to keep it simple but moving along properly.

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                              -Always have descriptions! This is not a movie. Your readers rely on your words to "see" whats happening. The more detailed your story is, the better.
                              Oh no you don't. See what I wrote just above. Description is good, yes, but most people tend to overwrite and again, the story stops moving. I hate reading stories that stop moving. Action is always more important than description, except in a certain type of writing that focuses only on one very small occurrence. If you write your action properly, it serves as description as well. I can't be more specific than that - types of action often describe a person's personality. "Creeping" is different from "plodding", for example.

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                              Dont use "said" without adverbs. "Said" is the most boring verb in any Fanfiction. Use adverbs to help out, or use alternative words like commented, asked, exclaimed and so on.
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                              Never overuse "said." Use it only once if you have no option. Use other words such as replied, exclaimed, asked, questioned, explained, phrased, called, etc. There are many more than just that.
                              This is actually a much-believed myth. Don't get pulled in. As a kid I used those words a lot, before I realised they really made my writing seem overwritten. "Said", if used properly, is more poignant than many other words. Using one of the "non-said words" really wrecks the flow in some cases. What's more boring than something like...

                              "Hello," Ash said quickly.
                              "Oh, hi," May said shyly.
                              "Look at the stars," commented Ash. He put his hand on May's shoulder.
                              "Oh, wow! They're bright," exclaimed May.
                              "Do you like astronomy?" asked Ash.
                              "I love it," replied May with sparkling eyes.


                              That could be rewritten to sound more interesting:

                              Ash glanced around. "Hello."
                              May smiled shyly. "Oh, hi."
                              "Look at the stars," Ash said, resting a hand on May's shoulder.
                              "Oh, wow! They're bright," exclaimed May.
                              "Do you like astronomy?"
                              "I love it," said the girl, the stars reflected in her eyes.


                              And see, I used one adverb - and not with a "said" - only one "exclaimed", two "said"s. And that sounds much better than the one with two "adverb-said" combinations, a "commented", an "exclaimed", an "asked" and a "replied". Not that the fragment was particularly interesting in the first place, though.

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                              Also, try to use as many adjectives in order to make your descriptions a bit more colorful.
                              Overuse of adjectives ruins a story. I look back at some of the writing I did as a seven-year-old fourth-grader (that received top marks) and I wince, just because of the number of adjectives.


                              *giggles* OK, that's enough nitpicking for now. Just tell me if you want me to pick on you more... you horrible ex-pair, you. XD *chases another ex-pair (Alex)*
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                                No way. They can be as short as you want them to be. There's no point pulling out certain stories to three times their original length. The story stagnates and becomes ultra-boring. Better to keep it simple but moving along properly.
                                I think he means by one shots in general, but not all the time, since majority of the one shots can be quite detailed and long. Certainly short one shots are possible, as long as the meaning and point is taken across.

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                                Oh no you don't. See what I wrote just above. Description is good, yes, but most people tend to overwrite and again, the story stops moving. I hate reading stories that stop moving. Action is always more important than description, except in a certain type of writing that focuses only on one very small occurrence. If you write your action properly, it serves as description as well. I can't be more specific than that - types of action often describe a person's personality. "Creeping" is different from "plodding", for example.
                                Again, descriptions in general. Many people prefer stories that are descriptive, although of course simple description is perfectly fine, as long as it's legitimate and satisfactory. =D

                                About the whole issue with 'said,' I was given the impression it meant something like:

                                "Hello," Marie said.
                                "Hey," Sam said.
                                "It's a nice weather today," she said.


                                ...something like that, probably implied as overusage?

                                I suppose ya better ask frostweaver. o.o;
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                                  I dont know if this is the place to ask but what is a fanfic? Im sorry if there is another thread for this but can someone tell me
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                                  Fanfictions are simply stories over the internet that you make, based on characters with disclaimers, such as Pokemon, anime, TV shows and Video games.

                                  Your own original idea isn't a fanfiction though.
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                                    Oh thankyou very much! But why is'nt your own original idea a fanfic?
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                                    Because then it's not a *fan*fic; a fanfic is always based on some other, existing work.
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