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Old April 27th, 2011 (1:16 AM). Edited May 5th, 2011 by Dark Pulse94.
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    Ok, I fixed up the reasonings of my Pokemon... Hopefully this complies with the rules a bit better...

    Hey! I'm Dark Pulse! A few of you know me, and up until recently, I've been playing with a rather gimmicky Hail Stall Team (which in the early metagame was really good, but now I'm not getting much any success from it)
    thanks to Aragornbird for making a sprite database for me to use in this post (though it means little in this scenario, it really makes all the difference)

    My Team At a Glance

    The Creation Process

    Spoiler:

    So... I decided I wanted to build a new team! I Looked at a Sheer Force Team featuring a NIdoking, but couldn't find inspiration for partners...
    It was then that I remembered hearing about Darmanitan. that LO+Drought+Sheer Force made one very strong Flare Blitz... so I decided to make a Drought team...
    I started off with just those 2 Pokemon

    That's when I remembered seeing Venusaur. I'd battled Drought teams before, and often had a Venusaur switch in to destroy my Toxic Spikes, then continue to sweep through me with seemingly godlike speed (it outsped my froslass, I knew it was boosted somehow)
    so I looked up Venusaur, and found it's DW Ability to be Chlorophyl
    I then added Venusaur to my team

    After Figuring out Chlorophyl made Venusaur Faster than Deoxys-S with no investment (as long as sun was in play) I looked to find another Chlorophyl User. I found Leafeon

    That made 4 Pokemon. I thought about using Harvest, hearing about how Tropius could PP Stall eternally in sun by using Synthesis @Leppa Berry/Harvest, so I thought of putting him in. Then I noticed Exeggutor also had Harvest... So I added him instead

    Next up, I needed a Lead... After a fair bit of looking (well, not much) I decided on Heatran, as it could absorb Fire attacks my Grass types Hated, and was immune to Sandstorm Damage... And he had Access to the Rocks, that always helps...

    Now with my team complete, I went off and tested battling
    *still loses*
    I found that Despite using Adamant, Focus Sashed SD Leafeon, I didn't have the coverage to do the damage I wanted to deal... After a lot of asking and arguing on PO, I found out that Sawsbuck had the Coverage I was looking for, despite the lack of speed and attack... So I swapped Leafeon for him

    My last Change was Suggested by a moderater on the Smogon PO server called +Shrang. When I found myself with problems facing fire types, Rain teams, and Tyranitar. He suggested me using ChestoRest Kingdra, which has proved to be quite useful in my team... I swapped Exeggutor out for him

    Now, I'm still having one or two troubles with Sandstorm (especially when people use BOTH hippo and T-tar) so I'm coming down to the public to ask...

    After asking here and at Pokecommunity, I have decided to add Claydol as a dedicated Rapid Spinner/Stealth Rocker. Due to it's immunity to spikes, and resistance to SR, as well as having access to the much-needed spin+rocks...


    My Team under the Microscope

    Claydol (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpA
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Rapid Spin
    - Earth Power
    - Stealth Rock
    - Psychic

    My Rocker/Spinner lead. I use Ninetales, this or Kingdra as a lead, depending on the opponent.
    Stealth Rock up and spin away, then switch, if possible, I may stay in to deal some damage, but I need Claydol to survive in case more hazards come out, and this team doesn't like Hazards...


    Ninetales (M) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball
    - Flamethrower
    - Nasty Plot
    - Hypnosis

    My other Potential lead, Hypnosis + Nasty Plot is rather... nasty
    Otherwise I Hypnosis + switch to darmanitan to Flare Blitz sweep.
    I normally only use Ninetales as a lead if I have an opponent that potentially will beat Claydol as a lead (IE Azelf or Aerodacyl), or if I am facing a non-weather team (especially with an obvious hazarder)


    Darmanitan (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Flare Blitz
    - Rock Slide
    - Superpower
    - U-turn

    My all out Physical Attacker... This thing's Flare Blitz can OHKO [email protected]!!! If I can send this out on a hypnosised/Slower Pokemon (esp. ferrothorn), they basically lose 1 member of their team, on the spot.
    U-turn is for a quick escape, and allows me to hit Rankurusu (I have never gotten used to it's ENG name, Reun-whatever) or other slow Pokemon after I have used Superpower (often to kill T-tar or Heatran)


    Venusaur (M) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 204 HP / 136 Def / 160 SAtk / 8 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball (Wish I could get Giga Drain)
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Growth

    My main Special Sweeper, originally was going to be a tank with surprising speed, but now has evolved into a bulky sweeper, swapping synthesis for HP fire...
    Growth in Sun is equivalent to using Both SD and Nasty Plot in 1 turn, so I was contemplating a Mixed set, but to do that, I would have to lose some of the Bulk that has made Venusaur what it is...
    Venusaur has often been a bit of fodder for me (until I removed synthesis) as it was able to survive a Garchomp's Unboosted Outrage, and, if not scarfed, synthesis in to heal... I'm now contemplating srificing some bulk (or power) to give it the speed to beat Scarfchomp. Suggestions?
    Synthesis is still sorely missed, as it allowed me to heal quickly after taking damage from pokemon I couldn't OHKO (Garchomp or [email protected])
    Energy ball has been suggested over solarbeam, due to weather issues.


    Sawsbuck (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Horn Leech
    - Swords Dance
    - Nature Power [Earthquake]
    - Return

    My set-up SD sweeper, with Horn Leech, I can SD up, survive with sash (or sometimes survive with sash intact lol) then Horn leech the oponent to recover, meaning I am out of Priority range to KO me...
    This Pokemon is my most Hazard-weak Pokemon, as without 100% health, I have to horn leech right away to survive an attack, often meaning I can't sweep properly, as I'm forced to choose the wrong move (IE - using horn leech instead of SD+return)
    Priority and Hazards (as already explained) are a ***** to this pokemon, ideas to work around them?


    Kingdra (M) @ Chesto Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim
    EVs: 144 HP / 160 Atk / 40 SDef / 164 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Waterfall
    - Rest

    Suggested by Shrang, this wreaks both SS and Drizzle teams, basically forcing the opponent to not bring their weather Giant in... If you know who D_a is, he suggested swap it for Dugtrio or Wobba
    I sometimes use this as a lead when facing Rain teams that send Poli out first (very few, but still...) Otherwise, I send in tails first, then try to Hypnosis the switch-in of Poli (but the HAX gods frown upon Hypnosis)
    ChestoRest Kingdra allows me to ignore Toxic and other residual, while still DDing up, when I finally rest, it often catches the opponent well off guard!
    rather than a +1 sweep, a +3 Outrage often takes out 2 Pokemon [unless Ferrothorn is in play, Ferrothorn is a 2HKO at +6 ]

    Known Counters/Checks
    So Far, Teams that have beaten me include:
    Sandstorm Teams, although I normally can get around them with Careful Switching between Kingdra, Heatran and Ninetails
    Rain Teams, but Kingdra now Sweeps them with Swift Swim + Rest
    Ferrothorn, because until I gave Venusaur HP Fire, he would set up hazards on me while I switch to tails/Tran, then switch out when I try to kill it...
    Heatran! Once I lose Sawsbuck, he basically walls my team (yes, walls)
    other things:

    Priority, especially with Sawsbuck and Kingdra
    Entry Hazards...

    Things My team needs/wants

    Some stronger Walls, If my opponent gets momentum, I can't stop it without letting something die

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    Old April 27th, 2011 (1:43 AM).
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    Quote:
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    Hey! I'm Dark Pulse! A few of you know me, and up until recently, I've been playing with a rather gimmicky Hail Stall Team (which in the early metagame was really good, but now I'm not getting much any success from it)

    My Team At a Glance

    The Creation Process

    So... I decided I wanted to build a new team! I Looked at a Sheer Force Team featuring a NIdoking, but couldn't find inspiration for partners...
    It was then that I remembered hearing about Darmanitan. that LO+Drought+Sheer Force made one very strong Flare Blitz... so I decided to make a Drought team...
    I started off with just those 2 Pokemon

    That's when I remembered seeing Venusaur. I'd battled Drought teams before, and often had a Venusaur switch in to destroy my Toxic Spikes, then continue to sweep through me with seemingly godlike speed (it outsped my froslass, I knew it was boosted somehow)
    so I looked up Venusaur, and found it's DW Ability to be Chlorophyl
    I then added Venusaur to my team

    After Figuring out Chlorophyl made Venusaur Faster than Deoxys-S with no investment (as long as sun was in play) I looked to find another Chlorophyl User. I found Leafeon

    That made 4 Pokemon. I thought about using Harvest, hearing about how Tropius could PP Stall eternally in sun by using Synthesis @Leppa Berry/Harvest, so I thought of putting him in. Then I noticed Exeggutor also had Harvest... So I added him instead

    Next up, I needed a Lead... After a fair bit of looking (well, not much) I decided on Heatran, as it could absorb Fire attacks my Grass types Hated, and was immune to Sandstorm Damage... And he had Access to the Rocks, that always helps...

    Now with my team complete, I went off and tested battling
    *still loses*
    I found that Despite using Adamant, Focus Sashed SD Leafeon, I didn't have the coverage to do the damage I wanted to deal... After a lot of asking and arguing on PO, I found out that Sawsbuck had the Coverage I was looking for, despite the lack of speed and attack... So I swapped Leafeon for him

    My last Change was Suggested by a moderater on the Smogon PO server, (who's name Escapes me). When I found myself with problems facing fire types, Rain teams, and Tyranitar. He suggested me using ChestoRest Kingdra, which has proved to be quite useful in my team... I swapped Exeggutor out for him

    Now, I'm still having one or two troubles with Sandstorm (especially when people use BOTH hippo and T-tar) so I'm coming down to the public to ask...

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    My Team under the Microscope


    Heatran (M) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Heat Wave
    - Earth Power
    - Stealth Rock
    - Taunt


    Ninetales (M) @ Air Balloon
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Nasty Plot
    - Flamethrower
    - Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Hypnosis

    Nasty Plot Ninetales works quite good, Flamethrower get's better accuracy over Fire Blast and gains a sun boost. Hidden Power Ground deals with Rock types, which would block you. >: Solarbeam is just no, cause' Tyranitar could come in and OHKO Ninetales with Stone Edge, then you've got no grass moves basically.


    Darmanitan (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Flare Blitz
    - Rock Slide
    - Superpower
    - U-turn


    Venusaur (M) @ Black Sludge
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 204 HP / 136 Def / 160 SAtk / 8 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Energy Ball
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Growth

    Like I said before about Solarbeam, use Energy Ball over it, you still get your STAB move. You could go for Sludge Bomb over Synthesis, it wouldn't help to have another STAB under your belt, plus after a +2 Special attack raise, Sludge Bomb will dent anything that doesn't resist it.


    Sawsbuck (M) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Horn Leech
    - Swords Dance
    - Nature Power
    - Return


    Kingdra (M) @ Chesto Berry
    Trait: Swift Swim
    EVs: 144 HP / 160 Atk / 40 SDef / 164 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage
    - Waterfall
    - Rest

    Upon seeing Kingra I was skeptical, although I realized it would work out well, if Rain team's thought they could stop your sun, you could just tear them apart with Kingra.

    Known Counters/Checks

    So Far, Teams that have beaten me include:

    Sandstorm Teams, although I normally can get around them with Careful Switching between Kingdra, Heatran and Ninetails
    Rain Teams, but Kingdra now Sweeps them with Swift Swim + Rest
    Ferrothorn, because only Ninetails and Heatran can defeat it well without losing HP from Iron Barbs, and Ninetails is SR Weak, and I usually lose Heatran Early, being my lead

    Comments and suggestions in bold, one's without any boldness I find are alright. About your counters; I find that when I'm using my Sun team that Sandstorm teams can shut it down easily, Sun team's are the weakest of the 4 Weather teams, and need to be carefully constructed to be able to win, you may need to add some Rapid Spin support into the mix.

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    Hey. Right now I'm not really giving a full rate, just a few suggestions...

    Air Balloon Heatran isn't that good as a lead. More often than not, you'll lose the Balloon before you want to - and part of its appeal is as an emergency check to something like Excadrill. I'd rotate it out to a different Pokémon. The one that I prefer with sun teams is Infernape with Endeavor/Stealth Rock/Mach Punch/Close Combat(Grass Knot) @ Focus Sash. Endeavor lets you take a Hydro Pump or whatever from Politoed, CC breaks Tyranitar (and GK eats Hippo) and Stealth Rock makes it so Politoed can't come back in. It's pretty useful, imo.

    Venusaur wants Sludge Bomb >> Synthesis so it can hit Dragon-types and Fire-types and Energy Ball >> Solarbeam so you don't give Tyranitar a free turn.

    Kingdra seems incredibly ineffective when you actually accomplish your team's goal and have Drought up. I feel like you could use something better there - though what, I dunno yet. :/

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    Old April 27th, 2011 (2:14 AM). Edited April 27th, 2011 by Dark Pulse94.
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      Thanks Dragonomega. I understand you saying to choose Energy Ball over Solarbeam, but Energy Ball just doesn't pack the punch that I need to be able to use it effectively... Though with Nasty plot... It might work...

      I've been using Venusaur as very much a Tanky sweeper, and without the synthesis boost, I find myself running out of steam too early. Venusaur and Kingdra are my 2 major pokemon when I find my drought compromised, so swapping Energy ball for Solarbeam is definately something I'll do...

      when I first thought of Kingdra, I too was Sceptical, but I find him to be extremely useful, He's my best T-tar /Hippo Counter with Waterfall, and like you said, just wreaks rain teams...

      I agree that I need Rapid Spin support, and was even opting to swap Heatran for Forry at one point...

      would perhaps putting Excadrill in somewhere work? that way I can also counter sand teams like kingdra does to rain

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      I agree Vrai, I've been contemplating swapping Heatran for something else, but you'd be surprised how many people EQ a heatran, not realising it has a Balloon

      I have been finding myself needing synthesis to give Venusaur a little more Bulk, but I think that with HP fire to counter things like Scizor, I'll swap Sludge bomb in (yes, I'm contradicting myself, but it's 2 against 1)

      You would be surprised at the power Kingdra holds even in sun, if it can get enough DD's, and I've removed the steel types that counter it, Outrage destroys quite a few team members on the opposing team... and Even Waterfall, despite the power drop from sun, can put a big dent in the opponent... I really like sitting it in and setting up DD's on rain teams, because they just don't want to bring poli in...
      that's when I kill something.

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      Old April 27th, 2011 (2:18 AM).
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      would perhaps putting Excadrill in somewhere work? that way I can also counter sand teams like kingdra does to rain

      No. You still lose to teams with Hippowdon and most Sand teams have ways to hit opposing Excadrill that don't involve sacrificing their Excadrill.

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      Ok, get rid of Kingdra, not only is it useless in sun, but its also set up bait for Ferrothorn and your team is EXTREMELY hazard weak. Put in something like Dugtrio or Wobbuffet to trap foe weather starters. Espeon might work too due to the insane entry hazards weakness you have.

      Midgame Sash is likewise silly as hell, Stealth Rock and hazards still exist. :/ Use a Life Orb on Sawsbuck or Leftovers. You dont need that much speed either. Aim to beat Scarf Thundurus at the MAXIMUM is the most you should ever need. Put the rest into HP.

      I like Chesto Rest on Ninetales or any weather starter really to give me a better chance of conserving it.

      Venusaur really needs Sludge Bomb. OHKOing dragons is extremely important after a boost in the metagame, especially given how weak to them you are. CM Latias 6-0's this team for example as does any and all Dragons.

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        how would I use Dugtrio??? I normally use Kingdra to screw both Sand and rain teams, but Ferrothorn definately likes coming in while I DD up

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        how would I use Dugtrio??? I normally use Kingdra to screw both Sand and rain teams, but Ferrothorn definately likes coming in while I DD up

        Trap Tyranitar whom is the most common weather starter then you get to control the weather all game. Wobbuffet does similar things but traps all the other weather Pokes too.

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        Old April 28th, 2011 (10:25 PM). Edited May 4th, 2011 by Dark Azelf.
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          yeah, I guess, and Unless Tales holds a Balloon (I haven't seen any other weather user hold a Balloon) It Dug traps everything anyway, and I don't need to trap tales...

          I might try using that...

          ok! I've updated the thread with the Smogon movesets (I've also posted this on smogon) and I'm happy (but not extatic) to say I havePeaked 423rd so far, I may try to beat that, but I'm just happy I made it to the top 500

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