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Old May 20th, 2011 (9:36 AM).
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    Can somebody come up with a good strategy and team of 6 that I should use out of the pokes on my trade thread? Here they are for ease of access:


    Flawless:
    Spoiler:

    *Swampert @ leftovers
    Relaxed
    Earthquake (EQ), Ice beam (IB), Stealth Rock (SR), Roar
    252 hp, 252 def, 6 att
    Flawless

    Togekiss lvl 100 M Shiny [OT Roger]
    - Modest
    - Serene Grace
    - Nasty Plot / Wish / Air Slash / Flamethrower
    - EVs: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Sp / 4 P
    - IVs: Flawless






    *Haxorus @ Scope Lens
    Jolly
    Outrage, Rock Slide, EQ, Dragon Dance (DD)
    6 hp, 252 att, 252 speed
    Flawless

    *Zangoose @ Chesto Berry
    Jolly
    Close Combat, Shadow Claw, Swords Dance (SD), Rest
    252 att, 252 speed, 6 def
    Flawless

    Forretress @ leftovers
    Relaxed
    Spikes, Toxic Spikes, SR, Rapid Spin
    252 hp, 252 sp. def, 4 def
    Flawless

    *Aipom
    Jolly
    Fake Out, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Shadow Claw
    4 att, 1 speed
    Flawless

    Cyndaquil (nn. Baron)
    Adamant
    Tacke, Leer, Smoke Screen
    Flawless

    *Tyranitar @ chesto berry
    Jolly
    Stone Edge, EQ, Rest, DD
    252 att, 4 hp, 254 speed
    Flawless

    Hydreigon
    nature: modest / levitate
    Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, Flamethrower, Surf
    252 spa atk/ 252 speed/ 4 sp def
    31-31-31-31-31-31

    darumaka / lvl 100
    jolly
    31/31/31/31/31/31
    6 HP/ 252 attack/ 252 speed
    U-Turn / rock slide / flare blitz / superpower



    Near Flawless:
    Spoiler:

    *Flygon @ life orb
    Jolly
    EQ, Dragon Claw, Roost, U-turn
    31/31/31/15/31/31
    6 hp, 252 att, 252 speed

    *Charizard @ Leftovers
    Adamant
    Fire Punch, Substitute, Belly Drum, Roost
    30/31/31/31/31/31
    252 att, 252 speed, 4 def

    *Roserade @ Big Root
    Timid
    Giga Drain, Toxic Spkies, Sleep Powder, Sludge Bomb
    31/31/31/30/30/31
    4 hp, 1 def, 252 sp.att, 253 speed

    Heatran @ Wise Glasses
    Naive
    Magma Storm, Flash Cannon, Dark Pulse, Earth Power
    22/10/30/31/31/31
    6 hp, 252 sp.att, 252 speed

    *Metagross @ leftovers
    Adamant
    Meteor Mash, EQ, Bullet Punch, Toxic
    31/31/31/30/31/31
    255 hp, 248 att, 7 sp.def

    *Porygon-Z @ Wise Glasses
    Modest
    Dark Pulse, Thunderbolt, Icebeam, Psychic
    31/28/24/26/31/31
    255 sp.att, 255 speed

    Scizor @ Life orb
    Adamant
    Bullet Punch, Roost, Night Slash, Swords Dance
    28/29/31/29/25/31
    255 att, 255 speed

    Volcarona / lvl 100
    timid
    31/30/30/31/31/31
    6 HP/252 sp attack/ 252 speed
    bug buzz / quiver dance / fiery dance / HP (ice)

    *Gallade / lv 100
    Adamant
    28/31/29/15/28/31
    6 HP/252 attack/ 252 speed
    Leaf Blade/Psycho cut/EQ/Cose Combat


    EV'd:
    Spoiler:

    *Slaking
    Adamant
    Fire Punch, Shadow claw, EQ, Slack off
    252 att, 252 speed, 6 hp

    Dusknoir (nn. Nightmarez) @ expert belt
    Impish
    Shadow Sneak, EQ, Pain Split, Will-o-wisp
    106 hp, 68 att, 252 def, 28 sp.att, 18 sp.def, 38 speed

    Breloom @ toxic orb
    Jolly
    Facade, Attract, Substitute, Stun Spore
    255 att, 255 speed

    Shaymin @ wide lens
    Modest
    Seed Flare, Sunny Day, Earth Power, Synthesis
    255 sp.att, 255 speed

    Whimsicott OT: mikhail PC: mikhaild
    Quirky
    Leech Seed/Toxic/Substitute/Encore
    255 def/247 sp.def/8hp


    DW pokes:
    Spoiler:


    Blaziken lvl 100 M pkRS OT: Mat
    - Jolly
    - Speed Boost
    - Hi Jump Kick / Protect / Swords Dance / Flare Blitz
    - EVs: 252 Att / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    - IVs: Flawless

    Sharpedo lv 100 OT: Erica
    -Adamant
    -Speed Boost
    -Protect/Waterfall/Crunch/EQ
    -EVs: 4hp/252 att/1def/1sp.def/252 speed
    -IVs: Flawless

    Politoed lv 100 OT: Mark
    - Calm
    - Drizzle
    - Surf/Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hypnosis
    - EVs: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Sp.def / 4 HP
    - IVs: Flawless

    Vapoeon lv 100 OT: Eric
    -Modest
    -Hydration
    -Toxic/Surf/Rest/Ice Beam
    - EVs: 32hp / 224def / 252 sp.att
    -IVs: Flawless


    Legendaries:
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    Kyurem / lv 77
    Lonely
    Flawless (this may have been with AR so be warned)
    252 hp/ 255 sp (also might be with AR)
    Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse/Dragon Claw/Endeavor

    Rotom Fan lv 20 UT
    Jolly
    14/15/25/27/6/19
    Air Slash/Confuse Ray/Double Team/Thunder Shock

    Zoroark (dunno if he is legendary but...) UT
    Docile
    6/16/30/30/18/22
    Fury Swipes/Faint Attack/Scary Face/Taunt

    Kyogre
    Calm
    8/27/5/14/5/15
    Hydro Pump/Sheer Cold/Water Spout
    EVs: 6/8/7/9/7/12 (can bereduced to 0)


    Events:
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    Gamestop Raikou











    Gamestop Entei












    Gamestop Suicune












    Gamestop Celebi
















    Ash's Pikachu













    Gamestop Deoxys










    GAMESTP Pichu










    Hayley Mew





    FAL2010 Mew



































    This is for wifi battles and tourneys. I don't have a specific strategy or team that I use and I lose more often then I win. So can anyone come up with a good strategy to use with 6 of these pokes?
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    Old May 20th, 2011 (1:19 PM).
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    You'll have to pick a specific team if you want to get it rated! I'm sorry, but we're not exactly here to build a team for you. Try to pick the most successful variation out on your own, and then post that and we can help then. But anything beyond that is asking too much. You'll have to do some of your own work if you want to make an effective team. :<

    Do come back when you have a full team though!
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    Old May 20th, 2011 (2:52 PM).
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      Ok so I narrowed it down so I have 2 walls, 2 physical sweepers, and 2 special sweepers but I cant decide who to use exactly.

      1. Swampert/Forretress/Ferrothorn* (SR/Spikes/ entry hazard poke as well as wall #1)

      2. Blaziken/Shapedo (both have speed boost and are physical sweeper #1)

      3. Dusknoir* (wall #2 and can stall/burn opponent)

      4. Porygon-Z*/Togekiss/Hydreigon (scarfed 'gon makes for some annoyed opponents and special sweeper #1)

      5. Volcarona/Heatran/Roserade/Politoed (special sweeper #2 and if I use politoed, then I would take sharpedo for boosted water move)

      6. Metagross/Scizor/Gallade* (physical sweeper #2)

      Note: * means that I would normally pick these pokes.

      So these are (almost) for sure pokes:

      Ferrothorn (because he is brutal)
      Blaziken/Sharpedo
      Dusknoir
      Porygon-Z
      Volcarona/Heatran/Roserade/Politoed
      Gallade

      Any suggestions for this team?
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      Old May 20th, 2011 (6:02 PM).
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      You're still going to have to break it down all the way to 6 Pokemon (not eight or nine or ten or eleven etc) and preferably test it a bit yourself, noting some things that you lost to and things you can't figure out how to beat. Plus, I'm too lazy to go back up and scour through that stuff you spoiler'd earlier just to try to figure out what sets your Pokemon are running. :(

      Speed Boost Blaziken is on our ban list and is thus unusable if you're going to be battling 'round here competitively. It's actually on most ban lists, so unless you're going to play Ubers... ;o;
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      Old May 21st, 2011 (7:39 PM). Edited May 21st, 2011 by k-van.
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        Ferrothorn
        Sharpedo
        Dusknoir
        Porygon-Z
        Politoed
        Gallade



        *Porygon-Z @ Wise Glasses
        Modest
        Dark Pulse, Thunderbolt, Icebeam, Psychic
        31/28/24/26/31/31
        255 sp.att, 255 speed

        *Gallade / lv 100
        Adamant
        28/31/29/15/28/31
        6 HP/252 attack/ 252 speed
        Leaf Blade/Psycho cut/EQ/Cose Combat

        Dusknoir (nn. Nightmarez) @ expert belt
        Impish
        Shadow Sneak, EQ, Pain Split, Will-o-wisp
        106 hp, 68 att, 252 def, 28 sp.att, 18 sp.def, 38 speed

        Sharpedo lv 100 OT: Erica
        -Adamant
        -Speed Boost
        -Protect/Waterfall/Crunch/EQ
        -EVs: 4hp/252 att/1def/1sp.def/252 speed
        -IVs: Flawless

        Politoed lv 100 OT: Mark
        - Calm
        - Drizzle
        - Surf/Ice Beam/Focus Blast/Hypnosis
        - EVs: 252 Sp.Att / 252 Sp.def / 4 HP
        - IVs: Flawless
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        Another word of advice: movesets, EVs, natures and items would be helpful so that we can rate the team more easily.
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          Can you not read? That is all in the last post.
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          Old May 22nd, 2011 (7:50 AM).
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          Can you not read? That is all in the last post.
          There was no reason to be rude at all because he's absolutely correct. You don't have all of that information in that post. You have items listed for two of the Pokémon (P-Z & Dusknoir), you're missing the ability for P-Z/Gallade/Dusknoir (tho i think he only has pressure) and you're missing Ferrothorn entirely.

          P-Z's EV spread is not optimal; the max amount of points for a stat you can get is 252 so putting 255 in each actually wastes one stat point you can put in HP or something. It also really sucks without STAB, especially if you have Adaptability. Plus it's too slow to actually be able to make use of Expert Belt. Run Choice Specs + Tri Attack/Hidden Power (Ground/Fighting)/Dark Pulse/Ice Beam.

          The only reason to use Gallade this gen is its Bulk Up set; run 252hp/252spD Adamant @ Bulk Up/Drain Punch/(Ice Punch/Stone Edge)/Shadow Sneak. Leaf Blade sucks and EQ gives godawful coverage with CC. Don't use an outclassed version of like every other Fighting-type if you're not going to abuse its good qualities, aka solid SpD and Shadow Sneak.

          Dusknoir likewise sucks this gen but if you're determined to run it you should actually use a viable spread, aka 252hp/28atk/228def @ lefties. Moveset looks alright tho, might wanna use Fire Punch > Shadow Sneak for crap like Ferrothorn and Scizor and the fact that Noir's Shadow Sneak is weak as hell but eh, whatever.

          Sharpedo would rather make use of its decent mixed attacking stats and the fact that it doesn't have to invest in much speed because of Speed Boost. Run Crunch/Hydro Pump/(Hidden Power (Fire)/Ice Beam)/Protect @ Mild Nature, 148atk/252spA/108spe. After two Speed Boosts, 'Pedo outruns +Speed Deoxys-S and Jolly ScarfChomp.

          I'm assuming Politoed is the standard Specs set since that is the moveset but you should run those EVs in Speed, not SpD. At worst, run them in HP to maximize overall bulk.
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            There was no reason to be rude at all because he's absolutely correct. You don't have all of that information in that post. You have items listed for two of the Pokémon (P-Z & Dusknoir), you're missing the ability for P-Z/Gallade/Dusknoir (tho i think he only has pressure) and you're missing Ferrothorn entirely.
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            P-Z's EV spread is not optimal; the max amount of points for a stat you can get is 252 so putting 255 in each actually wastes one stat point you can put in HP or something. It also really sucks without STAB, especially if you have Adaptability. Plus it's too slow to actually be able to make use of Expert Belt. Run Choice Specs + Tri Attack/Hidden Power (Ground/Fighting)/Dark Pulse/Ice Beam.
            Yes I know it is not optimal. This is how I got them and I am too lazy to change them. I am quite familiar with the 252/252/4(6). And I actually did change his item to choice scarf to make up for his speed. It never was expert belt btw I will have to change a couple moves for him...

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            The only reason to use Gallade this gen is its Bulk Up set; run 252hp/252spD Adamant @ Bulk Up/Drain Punch/(Ice Punch/Stone Edge)/Shadow Sneak. Leaf Blade sucks and EQ gives godawful coverage with CC. Don't use an outclassed version of like every other Fighting-type if you're not going to abuse its good qualities, aka solid SpD and Shadow Sneak.
            I was thinking of changing him for conkeldurr or Mienshao if it has regenerator ability. I will have to look into the bulk up set...

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            Dusknoir likewise sucks this gen but if you're determined to run it you should actually use a viable spread, aka 252hp/28atk/228def @ lefties. Moveset looks alright tho, might wanna use Fire Punch > Shadow Sneak for crap like Ferrothorn and Scizor and the fact that Noir's Shadow Sneak is weak as hell but eh, whatever.
            Who do you suppose would be a better wall? He has huge def and sp.def and his shadow sneak makes up for his speed. He is just a wall after all lol. I actually just forgot to change out to lefties. That is what they were in the first place

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            Sharpedo would rather make use of its decent mixed attacking stats and the fact that it doesn't have to invest in much speed because of Speed Boost. Run Crunch/Hydro Pump/(Hidden Power (Fire)/Ice Beam)/Protect @ Mild Nature, 148atk/252spA/108spe. After two Speed Boosts, 'Pedo outruns +Speed Deoxys-S and Jolly ScarfChomp.
            What is the mild nature? I forget the +- of it... Like I said, I am too lazy to completely change things about these guys since they are all lv 100 and I don't really breed and I don't do DW either. (mostly because I don't know how ) What IV do I need for HP Fire?

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            I'm assuming Politoed is the standard Specs set since that is the moveset but you should run those EVs in Speed, not SpD. At worst, run them in HP to maximize overall bulk.
            Meh I also got him from trading so I will go with it. But I will think about changing sp.def for speed and maybe hp.

            Ferrothorn @ Lefties
            Impish
            Power whip/spikes/Leech seed/Stealth Rock
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            252 hp/252 def/4sp.def
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            Yes I know it is not optimal. This is how I got them and I am too lazy to change them. I am quite familiar with the 252/252/4(6). And I actually did change his item to choice scarf to make up for his speed. It never was expert belt btw I will have to change a couple moves for him...

            I was thinking of changing him for conkeldurr or Mienshao if it has regenerator ability. I will have to look into the bulk up set...

            Who do you suppose would be a better wall? He has huge def and sp.def and his shadow sneak makes up for his speed. He is just a wall after all lol. I actually just forgot to change out to lefties. That is what they were in the first place

            What is the mild nature? I forget the +- of it... Like I said, I am too lazy to completely change things about these guys since they are all lv 100 and I don't really breed and I don't do DW either. (mostly because I don't know how ) What IV do I need for HP Fire?

            Meh I also got him from trading so I will go with it. But I will think about changing sp.def for speed and maybe hp.

            Ferrothorn @ Lefties
            Impish
            Power whip/spikes/Leech seed/Stealth Rock
            Flawless
            252 hp/252 def/4sp.def
            If you want bulk and power, use Conkeldurr:
            -Bulk Up
            -Drain Punch
            -Mach Punch
            -Stone Edge/Payback
            Nature: Adamant
            EVs: 120 HP/252 Atk/136 SDef
            Item: Leftovers
            Ability: Guts

            If you want Speed, at the cost of a slight bit of power, use Mienshao:
            -Fake Out
            -Hi Jump Kick
            -U-turn
            -Hidden Power (Ice)/Stone Edge
            Nature: Jolly/Naive
            EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe or 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
            Item: Life Orb
            Ability: Regenerator

            Even though Gliscor doesn't have Dusknoir's huge Special Defense, it can be considered for a wall:
            -Earthquake
            -Toxic
            -Facade/Ice Fang
            -Protect
            Nature: Impish
            EVs: 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe
            Item: Toxic Orb
            Ability: Poison Heal

            Mild boosts Special Attack and lowers Defense.

            For this Ferrothorn set, Spikes, Leech Seed and Stealth Rock are all illegal together; you can only have 2 of the 3. In the last slot, put in Gyro Ball for STAB, and change up the nature and EVs to this: Relaxed/Sassy with 252 HP/48 Def/208 SDef.
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