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Old June 2nd, 2011 (1:33 PM). Edited June 2nd, 2011 by chaos56.
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    Basically as the topic says. First off, my EV training didn't go so great. The only one who turned out exceptional was Mienshao, while the others are lacking quite a bit. I'm trying out the Whimsicott approach, but at this point I'm thinking he's overrated now since he's too easy to take out (2 hits max).
    Anyway, I really need some suggestions and who I should probably replace:

    Mienshao: Adamant--379 Atk, 290 Spd, Inner Focus/Focus Sash
    -Fake Out
    -Rock Slide
    -Drain Punch
    -U-turn

    Whimsicott: Impish--271 Def, 231 Sp Def, Prankster/Leftovers
    -Substitute
    -Taunt
    -Encore
    -Leech Seed

    Zoroark: Timid--320 Spd, 297 Sp Atk, Illusion/Choice Specs
    -Night Daze
    -Flamethrower
    -Grass Knot
    -Focus Blast

    Haxorus: Adamant--418 Atk, 258 Spd, Rivalry/Item: ?
    -Brick Break
    -Night Slash
    -Outrage
    -Dragon Dance

    Darmanitan: Adamant--383 Atk, 286 Spd, Sheer Force/Life Orb
    -Superpower
    -Flare Blitz
    -Rock Slide
    -U-turn

    Sigilyph(lvl 68, currently training): Timid--202 Spd, 207 Sp Atk, Magic Guard/Item: ?

    -Ice Beam
    -Psychic
    -Energy Ball
    -Shadow Ball

    Need suggestions on what I can do to make Whimsicott run better or just anything else that's better in general WITHOUT using legendaries.

    Hate to seem like I'm spamming or anything like that, but I need feedback ASAP.
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    Old June 2nd, 2011 (4:48 PM).
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    DD Haxorus would like a different set with better coverage:

    Haxorus @ Life Orb
    Ability: Rivalry
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
    - DD
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide

    Sigilyph also has a really cool niche moveset because of its great ability, Magic Guard. You should try this set, it's really effective and can turn an entire game around for you if they don't get off a supereffective attack fast enough.

    Sigilyph @ Flame Orb
    Ability: Magic Guard
    Nature: Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe
    - Cosmic Power
    - Stored Power
    - Psycho Shift
    - Roost

    Basically you use Psycho Shift to burn physical attackers, use Cosmic Power to boost your defenses until no Pokemon can do very much damage to you at all and then spam Stored Power, which increases by 20 in Base Power for every boost you have under your belt. As you keep up your defenses with Cosmic Power, Stored Power will eventually become a very potent attack and you'll basically be able to tank hits from anything and smash them with Stored Power. Dark-types are immune to Stored Power, but the only one that isn't beaten by the burn from Psycho Shift iirc is Houndoom.

    Good luck with your team!
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      Thanks a ton. One last question. I gotta say, Whimsicott has become a favorite of mine and its obviously a useful Pokemon. However, is he really worth using? I know the setup that I have is great, but he can't take too many hits. Is it because his DEF is still low? If that's the case, I suppose its because he had poor IVs in DEF?
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      Old June 2nd, 2011 (5:19 PM).
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      Thanks a ton. One last question. I gotta say, Whimsicott has become a favorite of mine and its obviously a useful Pokemon. However, is he really worth using? I know the setup that I have is great, but he can't take too many hits. Is it because his DEF is still low? If that's the case, I suppose its because he had poor IVs in DEF?
      Well, Whimsicott wants a 252 HP / 252 Def EV spread iirc (someone correct me if that's faulty). Did you EV train him? A low Def IV could be at fault as well, though EVs make much much more of a difference. Whimsicott is indeed useful, but he's most valuable when given the chance to stop a setup through Encore and then SubSeeding everything. It's a niche, but Whimsicott is very effective with it, yes.
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        Well, Whimsicott wants a 252 HP / 252 Def EV spread iirc (someone correct me if that's faulty). Did you EV train him? A low Def IV could be at fault as well, though EVs make much much more of a difference. Whimsicott is indeed useful, but he's most valuable when given the chance to stop a setup through Encore and then SubSeeding everything. It's a niche, but Whimsicott is very effective with it, yes.

        Well, I looked up this move set from serebii's 5th gen Pokemon of the Week section. They said that 252 DEF/248 Sp DEF/ 8 SPD was a good setup, that way Whimsicott's low HP meant a bitter recovery from Leech Seed, but I'm not so sure now. And yeah I did EV train him :/
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        Old June 3rd, 2011 (7:13 AM).
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        Well, I looked up this move set from serebii's 5th gen Pokemon of the Week section. They said that 252 DEF/248 Sp DEF/ 8 SPD was a good setup, that way Whimsicott's low HP meant a bitter recovery from Leech Seed, but I'm not so sure now. And yeah I did EV train him :/
        Riiiiiiight. I wouldn't ever trust Serebii's Pokemon of the Week. I honestly think that the guy who runs that pulls sets and EVs out of his rear sometimes. He does solid sets occasionally but honestly I'd much rather rely on places like Smogon that are dedicated to competitive rather than a random freelance guy who writes up stuff for Serebii. I read it for laughs sometimes.

        The spread you want is 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD @ Bold/Impish. It doesn't matter how much you're recovering from Leech Seed, it matters if your Sub can take a hit or not and that's that. Plus, Whimsicott isn't bulky enough to try to take hits from both ends of the spectrum.
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