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Old June 9th, 2011 (10:54 AM). Edited June 10th, 2011 by Hi-Techneon.
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    Because I couldn't find the previous thread anymore, and I'm sure I still need some help, I made this topic. The team improved alot from the first version but it's still not complete. Any help will be appreciated :D


    Forretress w/ Shed Shell
    Sturdy
    252 Special Defense, 252 HP, 4 Attack
    Careful
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Spikes
    - Volt Change
    - Rapid Spin


    Garchomp w/ Choice Scarf
    Sand Veil
    252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    Jolly
    - Outrage
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw
    - Stone Edge


    Infernape w/ Life Orb
    Blaze
    252 HP, 252 Speed, 4 Special Attack
    Hasty
    - Grass Knot
    - Stone Edge
    - Close Combat
    - Overheat


    Yanmega w/ Expert Belt
    Speed Boost
    104 Defense, 252 Special Attack, 152 Speed
    Modest
    - Bug Buzz
    - Air Slash
    - Protect
    - Hidden Power (Ground) => to counter fire and rock types


    Jellicent w/ Leftovers
    Water Absorb
    248 HP, 172 Defense, 88 Speed
    Bold
    - Scald
    - Recover
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Taunt


    Swampert w/ Leftovers
    Torrent
    248 HP, 216 Defense, 44 Special Defense
    Relaxed
    - Ice Beam
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Roar
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    Old June 9th, 2011 (3:47 PM).
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    Brick Break is redundant with Earthquake on Garchomp. Outrage needs to replace it so that Garchomp can plow through most Pokemon (the confusion can be removed by switching, which is what a lot of Choice Pokemon do) Why is Jellicent Relaxed? That nature has little use on it because Jellicent doesn't have physical attacks and you're not using Trick Room. (should've been Bold)
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    Old June 9th, 2011 (5:47 PM).
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      What happened to Rapid Spin on Forretress? It's one of the niches it has over Ferrothorn along with Toxic Spikes. If you're not going to Spin then use Ferrothorn which has arguably more auspicious typing and better resistances.

      ScarfChomp wouldn't function without Outrage and Stone Edge. A Fire attack is for the most part useless since you'll be locked into something pitifully weak. Stone Edge lets it kill Volcarona and not get locked in while revenging DD Gyarados. Outrage lets you sweep lategame when you need that extra kick.

      I'd replace either Metagross or Yanmega (maybe both?) for something. Since Skarmory walls you to hell and back. And it'd be mighty annoying if it Spike stacks and sits back on Jellicent to prevent spinning. Anyway, the best way to prevent this is to invest in 88speed Evs on Jellicent to outspeed other Jellicent and minimum speed Skarmory. As for replacements, you need something that can bust through common defensive cores like Ferrothorn/Jellicent/Gliscor, something like Mix Tyranitar can work since most of your team is immune to Sand damage and it helps activate Garchomps ability Sand Veil.

      And use Bold on Jellicent
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      Old June 10th, 2011 (2:44 AM).
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        I edited Garchomp, Jellicent and Forretress, and replaced Metagross with Emboar.
        Suggestions are appreciated
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        Old June 10th, 2011 (2:54 AM).
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        What made you use Emboar over Infernape? Sure, Emboar hits harder than Infernape does, but it's slow and frail, despite its high HP. I think this Infernape could be of use:
        -Overheat
        -Close Combat
        -U-turn/Grass Knot
        -Stone Edge/Mach Punch
        Nature: Hasty/Naive
        EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
        Item: Life Orb
        Ability: Blaze
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        Old June 10th, 2011 (7:49 AM).
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          It honestly looks pretty good, maybe even better if you use Infernape, but that doesnt matter. Just be sure max out HP on Jellicent before defenses.
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          Old June 10th, 2011 (10:38 AM).
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            Updated once again, editing Jellicent's EVs and replacing Emboar with Infernape.
            Please tell me if anything needs to be improved or I can start preparing the final version of the team.
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            Old June 10th, 2011 (1:56 PM).
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              I'd recommend that you convert Forretress from specially defensive to physically defensive. Forretress' special defence is terrible anyway, so why put evs into it. It just seems wasteful to me. Here is the build I would for a physically defensive Forretress:

              Held Item: Shed Shell
              Nature: Relaxed
              ev spread: 252hp / 112atk / 144def

              Toxic Spikes
              Rapid Spin
              Gyro Ball
              Earthquake

              both toxic spikes and spikes together on the same set isn't really necessary. i'd replace spikes for something that gives stab (gyro ball). as i said on another post to someone else, eq is pretty much a staple now as it covers five types. rapid spin is there to simply clear hazards. i think this is the set i'm running on my forretress.
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              Old June 10th, 2011 (6:13 PM).
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                Both physical and special spreads are viable on Forretress. Just note that Forretress is not a wall like Skarmory. Skarmory is meant to counter things like Garchomp, Excadrill, and Scizor, thus it needs all the defense it gets. Forretress uses any possibility it can to set hazards or Spin since it can't do anything else really. A specially defensive set can give it enough bulk to tank weak Scalds or Draco Meteors and set Spikes, laying the hurt on the opponent, if that makes sense. For this particular team though, a specially defensive Forretress works better imo.

                The choice between Toxic Spikes and regular Spikes is up to the user, but as an avid Forry user, I have no real trouble setting both at the same time with multiple layers.
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                Old June 20th, 2011 (5:41 AM).
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                  Anything else that can be improved?
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                  Old June 21st, 2011 (12:45 PM).
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                  I don't know if much else can be suggested as a refinement unless you discuss what changes have worked/what hasn't worked, etc. Theoretically the sets should do well but if they don't in a match then something has to change. I mean, we can't really improve anything else without having a response on how well our rates worked. ;(
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                  Old June 22nd, 2011 (2:49 AM).
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                    Understood. I'm going to try out Yanmega, Forretress and Swampert tomorrow, and then tell you how they were
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