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Focus Blast has like 50% accuracy so it almost always misses. So that'd be a waste of space on my movepool. I dislike moves that have below 95% accuracy. My Brick Break that I slapped on her has 100% accuracy so I am able to OHKO dark types.

I do have HP Fighting and Calm Mind. And it works great and fine and dandy. But then I look at Renuclus and it can get away with EVERYTHING. I want to get away with something, my Pokemon's not perfect like that but she can get the job done. That's why I replaced CM with Rock Slide.
In-game, tons of things work. I'm not one to advise against using whatever you want on your Pokemon because usually you can make it work. If you're talking in a more competitive environment like if you're playing against your friends... well, there are reasons why some Pokemon are more popular in situations like that than others. There are Pokemon that are straight-up outclassed, like Altaria - most of the things it can do can be done by other Pokemon in every other way. Same goes for Gothitelle. You can use it if you want, that's fine, whatever. But giving it random physical moves isn't gonna do anything to help it be a better Pokemon, especially with that abysmal physical attack. You're better off doing what it does best rather than trying to make it into something that it's not.

On-topic, I'd like to see Ferroseed get Rapid Spin. It spins in its sprite. ;-;
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    Gothitelle is particularly good at walling, so you don't really have to worry about dying from strong Bug-type/Ghost-type/Dark-type attacks if you a high defense stat (which Gothitelle is all about).

    And since her speed is mid-high, she can outspeed some of the mid-level Darks and Bugs in the metagame (lol, though, I did EV train mines in Speed a bit). If you can do that, have her use Charm on the Dark types, which lowers the ATK stat by two stages. Since, y'know, most Dark-type moves are physical.

    By saying that Gothitelle is worse than Reuniclus just makes Gothitelle look even worse. Sure, Reuniclus has that amazing Sp. ATK stat, but it has sub-par defenses and is literally as slow as a rock. Even then, there's the fact that Gothitelle can learn Dark Pulse, and her moveset is designed around literally degrading the foe (Fake Tears, Embargo, Flatter, Charm...), then going in for the hit.

    In general, the odds can be turned on each other, but it's not like either one can learn Bug Buzz.
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    Gothitelle is particularly good at walling, so you don't really have to worry about dying from strong Bug-type/Ghost-type/Dark-type attacks if you a high defense stat (which Gothitelle is all about).

    And since her speed is mid-high, she can outspeed some of the mid-level Darks and Bugs in the metagame (lol, though, I did EV train mines in Speed a bit). If you can do that, have her use Charm on the Dark types, which lowers the ATK stat by two stages. Since, y'know, most Dark-type moves are physical.

    By saying that Gothitelle is worse than Reuniclus just makes Gothitelle look even worse. Sure, Reuniclus has that amazing Sp. ATK stat, but it has sub-par defenses and is literally as slow as a rock. Even then, there's the fact that Gothitelle can learn Dark Pulse, and her moveset is designed around literally degrading the foe (Fake Tears, Embargo, Flatter, Charm...), then going in for the hit.

    In general, the odds can be turned on each other, but it's not like either one can learn Bug Buzz.
    Gothitelle cannot wall. Tyranitar used Crunch. GG. 65 Base speed is terrible for sweeping and charm is just... Gothitelle is worse that Reuniclus! Reuniclus is one of the most used Pokemon in the metagame, it maybe slow but it has a load of bulk to back it up.

    Anyway Gothitelle shouldn't learn any fighting physical moves, I don't see why people use physical moves like that on Psychic types, hey! Let's go for SubPunch Blissey whilst we're at it! :D

    I think that Serperior should of gotten a bigger movepool, like Dragon Moves; Dragon Pulse, Dragon Breath, Draco Meteor. Ground moves like Earthquake and Earth power, the odd poison move like Sludge Bomb. Emboar should have gotten Close Combat / Fire Punch. Unova starters got shafted in the movepool department! >:
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    Old June 15th, 2011 (9:12 AM).
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      I just don't understand why you want Gothitelle to be a Physical Sweeper. It can't learn ANY STAB Physical moves, it has a Base Attack lower than a Rattata (Rattata=56>Gothitelle=55), and it just not good at much at all. Why can't you be happy with what Gothitelle HAS? Isn't that what being a fan of the pokemon is about?
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        Well I'm sorry that Gothitelle isnt a god mod like Renuclus is. This is why I SUGGESTED the moves in the first place... because I hate when people CANNOT accept that I think Gothitelle is better and people hate me because of it. I've even gotten a comment today asking why the hell would I like this over some blob thing.

        The difference between me and alot of other fans is that I don't need sites like Smoogn etc to tell me which Pokemon is bad or not. Because I don't care. I dont care of Renuclus is overused... I still don't like it. All that matters is that I'm using my favorite.

        Of course back to the topic at hand, I'm not setting here going "Gothitelle is gowd!11!!". She has flaws. Most people hate flaws and thats why they go for the other choice... it's flawless. By MAYBE rasing it's attack to 100 and Sp Attk to 100 maybe I can get away with any move.

        Close combat is an awesome move and my birdy Poke uses it nicely. If I can have that move on MY Gothitelle, then I'd be ecstatic because I can REALLY kick but with those looks. Submission is another one I'd want even tho it's a recoil move. But it's really good. Brick Break is a filler fighting movr that WORKS. Sometimes I wish there could be better.
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          I think zebstrika should have got close combat, after all, it is a zebra. plus it's speed is pretty high.
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            Why is everyone so against Goth having close combat? Don't you agree that it needs better moves? Or do you want it to be hated forever?


            How is it hated forever simply because you think it has sucky moves? I believe the only Pokemon thats worthless is Magikarp, and even he turns into an awesome Water/Flying pokemon once you evolve him. Each move can be used (Except Splash.. Lulz), and so no Pokemon really needs better moves, you just need to work with the moves they have and find a way that they can excel in battles, whether it be spear heading the enemy, supporting, or just plain battling with everything it has.. I also agree with the many other people saying a Psychic type shouldnt learn too many Fighting type moves simply because it learns one or two... Thats like saying a Water type should also know a buttload of Fire type moves simply because it can learn Fire Punch >_>.
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            Old June 15th, 2011 (10:32 AM).
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            I think Druddigon should have been able to learn Head Smash, and had the ability Rock Head. It would have been PERFECT for him. On that subject, he also should have been Dragon/Rock.
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            Explain to me how the hell Gothitelle, a Pokemon with arms like those of a super-models, should be able to use Close Combat of all things?

            That doesn't even make any sense, even more so than the Ferrothorn line not learning Rapid Spin!
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              What is rapid spin? Oh and doesnt Meienshao and Moeletta have skinny arms?

              And wouldnt it be funny if Eelektross learned Earthquake and other ground moves to cover that weakness?
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              Old June 15th, 2011 (12:58 PM). Edited June 15th, 2011 by Atomic Pirate.
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                Meloetta is a legendary, so it can get away with it. Mienshao is a [email protected]$$ martial artist mink, so it is trained in strength. Gothitelle is a Gothic Lolita, and there is no reason one of them would be able to use Hammer Arm. Or Close Combat. And Reuniclus isn't "flawless". It's speed isn't exactly great, and if it doesn't get out a trick room, it won't do much good. It's defense and special defense really aren't anything special (not saying they don't get the job done well), and it doesn't exactly have a great physical attack either. Sure, it's higher then that of Gothitelle, but it's not wise to give it a physical attack anyway.
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                Reuniclus can't learn Thunderbolt, but can learn Thunder. Gothitelle can learn Thunderbolt, but can't learn Thunder. WTF? O_o
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                What is rapid spin? Oh and doesnt Meienshao and Moeletta have skinny arms?

                And wouldnt it be funny if Eelektross learned Earthquake and other ground moves to cover that weakness?
                You're asking what Rapid Spin does? It's a weak normal type move, it's useless most of the time however it's only goal is to get rid of entry hazards (Stealth Rock, Spikes, Leech Seed, Toxic Spikes etc...) Yes but they're fighting types, and actually have a usable attack stat. Plus, Mienshao doesn't learn Close Combat, it should though.

                What weakness? >__< Also; Stunfisk should of gotten Zap Cannon! :C It's a terrible move I know but still! :P
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                  I wish Hydreigon could actually learn Dark Pulse normally instead of it being a bred move. Really, GF? The first Dark/Dragon Pokemon ever, and you decide "oh hei letz knot give Hydreigon Dark Pulse even tho it wood b purfect 4 it"? Really, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

                  And yeah, Emboar should've gotten Fire Punch :/
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                    If nawt close combat, what moves should she learn?

                    It seems like everyone hates my ideas but I'm only trying to make liking Gothitelle more acceptable. :[
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                      Maybe some kinda head attack she has a very pointy large head.
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                        Maybe some kinda head attack she has a very pointy large head.
                        Headbutt is okay. I'm not all to crazy about it lol


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                        Acceptable amongst who? It's fine just the way it is being a special attacker/wall and nothing else.
                        The pokemon fanbase of course.
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                        Headbutt is okay. I'm not all to crazy about it lol


                        The pokemon fanbase of course.
                        Each Pokemon has their own fanbase. Lots of people like some Pokemon (like Tyranitar) while very few people like some others. It's probably going to be impossible to change the popularity level of any kind of Pokemon because generally a reason why a person likes _______ is because of its design, name, and other style stuff that's specific to that Pokemon, not so much the moveset. I mean if you gave Gothitelle like wings or something that might radically change some people's opinions (for better and/or worse) but simply changing some moves that aren't going to be very good at all for it anyway won't change much. Besides, you should revel in the fact that you're one of the few people that likes that Pokemon, not try to force other people to like it. If everyone liked it, wouldn't it be less special?

                        I wish that Haxorus got a Fire-type move (preferably physical!!). It'd be even better then. :(
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                          You have to realize that each and every Pokemon has a specific and distinct purpose. Gothitelle's purpose is to be a special attacker/wall to those who use it. If you personally use yours for a different purpose, thats fine, no one could really force you otherwise no matter how questionable it may be, but Gothitelle in general is accepted as a Pokemon that is unable to use any physical move whatsoever because of it's abysmal attack power.

                          Gallade is a far better physical psychic, if anything.
                          I mean that Gothitelle is not really accepted in general. Alot of people hate her in fact 1 out of 10 fans will like her. I know it's an opinion thing but can you see where Im coming from and why I would want to make her this god mod Pokemon?

                          I use mine as a special attacker now sense I now about stats. I used to use mine as a Phsycal attaker. It only had one special move come to think of it. The rest was Brick break, Rock slide and Low sweep.
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                          You don't have to make it anything different. People will like it if they like it and if they don't, sucks for them.

                          Klingklang needs some kind of non-Steel, non-Normal physical move so it can actually abuse its signature stat-up move. :(
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                            Stunfisk needs Hyper Beam, Superpower, or lyk Judgement or somethin'. Just saying.
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                              Personally, I despise Gothitelle due to its design, but that's my opinion.
                              What ISN'T my opinion is that Gothitelle has absolutely awful physical attack, so Close Combat, although powerful, wouldn't do much of anything on anything other than Chansey or something. Gothitelle just isn't built for physical attacks at all, so it's a pretty pointless move to give it, that's why she doesn't get it.
                              EDIT: Also, I highly doubt that the "1 out of 10 actually like Gothitelle" is a real statistic. I do believe she is a rather unliked Pokemon, but I doubt that giving it a move it wouldn't be able to use at all would change that.

                              You're birds can use it well because they have half decent attack stats, while Gothitelle has a dismal physical attack of 55. Not so good, compared to the birds. I'm sure future generations will throw in usable special fighting moves, but now we just have 70% accuracy Focus Blast.
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                              Uhm, Let's see

                              Samurott and Serperior are unable to learn earthquake... That doesn't make any sense at all, even empoleon is able to learn earthquake.

                              Ferroseed doesn't get rapid spin, which is also weird, considering his sprite...

                              And Conkeldurr and Emboar should've gotten Superpower via level up.
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                              Uhm, Let's see

                              Samurott and Serperior are unable to learn earthquake... That doesn't make any sense at all, even empoleon is able to learn earthquake.

                              Ferroseed doesn't get rapid spin, which is also weird, considering his sprite...

                              And Conkeldurr and Emboar should've gotten Superpower via level up.
                              Conkeldurr already has Superpower via level up.

                              I can't help but wonder why Keldeo and the Tympole line got denied of Ice Beam. Every Water Pokemon but Magikarp has it.
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