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    I thought they should have learned bolt tackle as an electric type because pikachu learns it but it doesn't learn it for some reason.
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    Old July 19th, 2011 (8:17 PM).
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      I was hoping Vullaby/Mandibuzz would learn Night Slash, but no. :<
      I guess Faint Attack is good enough. >.>
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      I always thought Samurott should have been able to learn Earthquake. Dig just doesn't do it enough justice in my opinion. Leavanny should have also been able to learn Night Slash given its blade-like arms.
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      Old July 20th, 2011 (7:31 AM). Edited July 20th, 2011 by DowntownDumpling.
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        Two things that really irked me were that Braviary didnt get Close Combat (its a war eagle!) and that Samurott did not get Shell Smash.
        That would make sense, but I consider Close Combat to be one of the most overused and "uber" of attacks. Also, whatever happened to Brick Break in Unova? Hardly anyone can learn it anymore, and there is no longer a TM for it.

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        It actually does get Dragon Tail :x Return is pretty strongs as well, and hell you can just Leech Seed anything not named Heatran, works for me.
        Whoops, you're right. Mine has Toxic and Aerial Ace, along with two Grass moves. If I run into a Steel-type Pokemon, though, I'm f....ed.
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        Old July 20th, 2011 (4:09 PM).
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          Also, whatever happened to Brick Break in Unova?
          Yes, there is a TM for Brick Break. A lady in the Iccirus City pokecenter gives it to you.
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            Kay this time I'm reviving this fun thread! Should get discussion going maaaybe?? Also as I posted earlier, try not to make your posts overly centered on Gothitelle like last time (from the OP). Discuss n_n
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            I wish Lilligant had gotten more coverage moves, like perhaps Psychic. She can have Dream Eater, which is a Psychic type move, but not Psychic? And there are far stranger Pokemon that can learn it, so why not give it to Lilligant? It'd be nice to have considering her moveset is mainly just grass everywhere.
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              I honestly thought that Beartic should've had Close Combat, I mean, it just looks like it should. It has the atk. to abuse it as well.
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                Close Combat is a nice attack regardless of the secondary effect. I think that Scrafty would be complete with it in the moveset, that can surely make it more combative.
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                  I only recently learned about the move Shell Smash and thought, dang, I could've had a pretty awesome water Pokemon had I chose Samurott. I find out that line doesn't even learn Shell Smash. So confused. The whole Oshawott family is based off of a sea shell. ;P
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                  Old December 18th, 2012 (11:06 PM).
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                    I only recently learned about the move Shell Smash and thought, dang, I could've had a pretty awesome water Pokemon had I chose Samurott. I find out that line doesn't even learn Shell Smash. So confused. The whole Oshawott family is based off of a sea shell. ;P
                    omg, it so would not be a NU mon if it had SS (or maybe...?) idk, it can do more than Gorebyss in terms of going both physical/special so I think SS would defs make it more powerful/more liked. It'd have to be a learn at like, level 3 move or something though because that'd make it really strong lol :x

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                    Close Combat is a nice attack regardless of the secondary effect. I think that Scrafty would be complete with it in the moveset, that can surely make it more combative.
                    I think it'd make it too close to Sawk really. I like that it has HJK instead, because otherwise it might be too strong (although still easily revenged).

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                    I wish Lilligant had gotten more coverage moves, like perhaps Psychic. She can have Dream Eater, which is a Psychic type move, but not Psychic? And there are far stranger Pokemon that can learn it, so why not give it to Lilligant? It'd be nice to have considering her moveset is mainly just grass everywhere.
                    idk more Bug type moves would make sense considering where it is, maybe fire too considering it is a Chlorophyll user???
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                    I'd probably agree with Sydian here.

                    Lilligant needs more non-Grass moves in her moveset, aside from Dream Eater and Hidden Power. A move like Psychic could really help add extra coverage and I'd also give her counterpart Whimsicott more offensive moves too.
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                      I'd keep Whimsicott as it is really. I think it's main role by GF was to be a Prankster and really more offensive attacks won't really help it given it is quite frail in the first place.
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                        I think it'd make it too close to Sawk really. I like that it has HJK instead, because otherwise it might be too strong (although still easily revenged).
                        I'm just the opposite. I don't like that it gets HJK - I see that as a move for fast, fragile fighters like Mienshao, which is exactly the opposite of Scrafty, while CC seems a move meant for low-down, nasty, get-right-in-your-face-no-matter-what brawlers, which is exactly what Scrafty seems meant to be. Granted though, CC would just make it that much tougher. I actually think that the perfect fighting move for Scrafty is Low Kick, which is undoubtedly why that's its level 1 attack. Just a shame that it's not competitively useful, since it fits its personality, and design, perfectly.

                        I mention this every time I see a thread like this - I think that Ferrothorn should learn Taunt, just because I can't think of another pokemon anywhere in any of the dexes who would be more likely to say, "C'mon! Stop futzing around with those status moves and HIT ME!"

                        How about Lilligant getting Aurora Beam? At first thought, it seems sort of weird for a Grass type (other than Abomasnow) to get an Ice move, but I sort of like the concept for Lilligant. It somehow fits with the man-eating southern belle persona I've ended up presuming for her - when appropriate, instead of seducing them with her dances and powders or tripping them up with her grass knot, she'd unleash her icy glare. It'd still leave some holes in her coverage (steel and fire, specifically), but it'd help, and I just sort of like the concept. It'd be something different.
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                          I'm just the opposite. I don't like that it gets HJK - I see that as a move for fast, fragile fighters like Mienshao, which is exactly the opposite of Scrafty, while CC seems a move meant for low-down, nasty, get-right-in-your-face-no-matter-what brawlers, which is exactly what Scrafty seems meant to be. Granted though, CC would just make it that much tougher. I actually think that the perfect fighting move for Scrafty is Low Kick, which is undoubtedly why that's its level 1 attack. Just a shame that it's not competitively useful, since it fits its personality, and design, perfectly.

                          I mention this every time I see a thread like this - I think that Ferrothorn should learn Taunt, just because I can't think of another pokemon anywhere in any of the dexes who would be more likely to say, "C'mon! Stop futzing around with those status moves and HIT ME!"

                          How about Lilligant getting Aurora Beam? At first thought, it seems sort of weird for a Grass type (other than Abomasnow) to get an Ice move, but I sort of like the concept for Lilligant. It somehow fits with the man-eating southern belle persona I've ended up presuming for her - when appropriate, instead of seducing them with her dances and powders or tripping them up with her grass knot, she'd unleash her icy glare. It'd still leave some holes in her coverage (steel and fire, specifically), but it'd help, and I just sort of like the concept. It'd be something different.
                          Still, it needs kicking moves because its selling point is its legs and pants really, which is what HJK is for. I don't think it's really that... evil, which is what CC implies. While it does have a dark typing it's more of neutrally evil and doesn't really care if it hits you, while still tries anyway - which is what HJK does.

                          Ya I agree. But it's still kind of too slow to be useful in many cases and most wouldn't opt for Taunt really.

                          ooo that'd be nice, mainly because I just like the move itself. :3
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                            I thonl deerling should learn high jump kick i mean if it can learn jump kick then why not high jump kick


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                                Getting back to Scarfty's moves, I agree with the selling part, which justifies the use of HJK, as well as other kicking moves, and the move (HJK) suits nice for it because of its legs combat style and also great defenses to give backup if the 10% risk arises. Idk, but Scrafty's dark coverage still needing more moves, there could exist another move beside Crunch to have more variety. Would be nice to imagine CC based on its legs, an exhaustive legs combat to the very end, and it count with the defenses to support the secondary effects.
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                                Earthquake for all three final evos of starters was all I wanted to be honest. :( They were the exception among all final evos of each gen's starters. Seriously I don't know how they missed that, unless it was intentional which sounds really odd. :\

                                I can't really recall any more notable moves that they should have made some 'mons learn in BW but yeah, I'm really frustrated at the starters (actually at GF) for the reason stated above. Plus pure Grass-types deserve more coverage moves like Sydian said! For Lilligant and Serperior especially. They gave coverage to previous gens' pure Grass-types, why not now?
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                                  Earthquake for all three final evos of starters was all I wanted to be honest. :( They were the exception among all final evos of each gen's starters. Seriously I don't know how they missed that, unless it was intentional which sounds really odd. :\

                                  I can't really recall any more notable moves that they should have made some 'mons learn in BW but yeah, I'm really frustrated at the starters (actually at GF) for the reason stated above. Plus pure Grass-types deserve more coverage moves like Sydian said! For Lilligant and Serperior especially. They gave coverage to previous gens' pure Grass-types, why not now?
                                  I believe the reason why is because it's suppose to be a throwback to the original R/B/Y games where all the starters, except for the Fire starter, lack the move Earthquake (B/W was suppose to be a reboot after all). As for the statement about previous gen pure Grass types given coverage, they mean nothing if they do not have Rock Slide, Nature Power, Natural Gift, Weather Ball, Ancientpower, Focus Blast, or Earth Power to coverage almost all of their weaknesses, which is a necessity to make a good Pokemon.
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                                    Talking about the grass type's moves coverage, I suffered from the same ill, Serperior and its lack of different coverages. Although they can learn different and now-attractive moves via tutor, I was wondering, why none of my favorite TMs suit it to complete the moveset? I was expecting something like Stone Edge, and agreeing with Cid, Earthquake.
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                                      Talking about the grass type's moves coverage, I suffered from the same ill, Serperior and its lack of different coverages. Although they can learn different and now-attractive moves via tutor, I was wondering, why none of my favorite TMs suit it to complete the moveset? I was expecting something like Stone Edge, and agreeing with Cid, Earthquake.
                                      Stone Edge just seems strange for a snake to use honestly. I'm not sure how it'd manage that lol.

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                                      I believe the reason why is because it's suppose to be a throwback to the original R/B/Y games where all the starters, except for the Fire starter, lack the move Earthquake (B/W was suppose to be a reboot after all). As for the statement about previous gen pure Grass types given coverage, they mean nothing if they do not have Rock Slide, Nature Power, Natural Gift, Weather Ball, Ancientpower, Focus Blast, or Earth Power to coverage almost all of their weaknesses, which is a necessity to make a good Pokemon.
                                      Not really as long as they have coverage moves in general then they're good. Such as Terrakion doesn't have anything to counter/check ground moves but instead uses all out power!

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                                      Earthquake for all three final evos of starters was all I wanted to be honest. :( They were the exception among all final evos of each gen's starters. Seriously I don't know how they missed that, unless it was intentional which sounds really odd. :\

                                      I can't really recall any more notable moves that they should have made some 'mons learn in BW but yeah, I'm really frustrated at the starters (actually at GF) for the reason stated above. Plus pure Grass-types deserve more coverage moves like Sydian said! For Lilligant and Serperior especially. They gave coverage to previous gens' pure Grass-types, why not now?
                                      Wait wat, Emboar doesn't have EQ?? I could've sworn it did...

                                      Nevertheless not sure how a snake or an otter could really shake the ground lol.
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                                      Old December 25th, 2012 (5:51 AM). Edited December 25th, 2012 by Esoj.
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                                        Can seem somewhat difficult to figure at the first moment, but it's a snake. They move from a place to another crawling on the surfaces and they have full contact with the floor. They use caves made of stone to make their nests what recall a connection with the stones.
                                        Pardon me, I know this pokemon is out of topic, but serves as a good example. Machamp have flame sacs? A wrestler, human-like pokemon throwing fire from its mouth? I know that is very useful, but seems very strange.
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                                          Not really as long as they have coverage moves in general then they're good. Such as Terrakion doesn't have anything to counter/check ground moves but instead uses all out power!
                                          Yet Smogon recommends Hidden Power even for Pokemon with decent coverage moves, and they're mostly types used to cover their weaknesses.

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                                          Seviper and Arbok know EQ, so why not Serperior?
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