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Old September 24th, 2011 (1:24 PM). Edited September 25th, 2011 by staryu_beast.
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    Sunny Day Team

    (Lead)
    Bastidon @ heat rock
    [252def/252sp.def/6hp]
    -block
    -heavy slam
    -toxic
    -sunny day

    (General offense)
    Flareon @ life orb
    [252atk/252sp.def/6spd]
    -fire fang
    -roar
    -giga impact
    -flame charge

    (Sp.atk Sweeper)
    Hydreigon @ choice scarf
    [252sp.atk/252spd/6hp]
    -flamethrower
    -dragon pulse
    -hyper voice
    -flash cannon

    (Status Effecter)
    Whimsicott @ focus sash
    [252hp/252spd/6sp.atk]
    -protect
    -solar beam
    -grass whistle
    -dream eater

    (Sp.atk Sweep)
    Roserade @ choice specs
    [252sp.atk/252spd/6sp.def]
    -solarbeam
    -Gigadrain
    -petal dance
    -sludge bomb

    (Wall)
    Shuckle @ leftovers
    [252hp/252def/6sp.def]
    -gyro ball
    -rest
    -sunny day
    -toxic

    should I change any of the movesets? and is there a good balance of offensive and defensive pokes? thanks everyone who helps me with this team :D

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    Old September 24th, 2011 (1:42 PM).
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    Good team... Not many faults, nicely made! I'd recommend removing sunny day from Bastiodon and giving it either a healing move or defense increasing move as you already have many sunny day pokemon and Bastiodon doesn't have much chance against a very common fighting move or ground move being used more than once... Flareon shouldn't really have two fire moves - it currently has pretty bad type coverage so dig is probably the only other move worth replacing one of them with - watch out for earthquakers though! Hydreigon scares me... Too powerful! Haha. I'm not sure why Whimsicott has protect, so it could be worth replacing that with another damaging move for some type coverage unless you have a plan for this - Sunny Day could be a helpful move for it incase the opponent is asleep and the current weather changes! Roserade's good but shouldn't have 3 grass moves - petal dance should ideally be replaced with either Synthesis or Ingrain and Gigadrain could be substituted for a better type coverage move like shadow ball incase it's a against a psychic type. Shuckle's good, you're gonna end up annoying some people with that! Trick Room, Power Swap and Rollout could also be a good combination if you're looking to change things up a bit and get another attacker, but your's works well too as a wall.
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    Old September 24th, 2011 (2:08 PM).
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      Thanks for the help man. I'm def going to add some of those changes!
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      Old September 24th, 2011 (2:33 PM).
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        First of all, I think you should add the EV's so me and of course other people can rate this

        I personally think Flareon is the worst Eevolution of all of them. If you're looking for a "general offensive" Mon (which I don't think is a good "choice"), try Vaporeon, even though it's defensive.


        - Surf / Hydro Pump
        - Ice Beam
        - Hidden Power [Electric] / Hidden Power [Fire]
        - Baton Pass / Shadow Ball
        Item- Choice Specs
        Ability- Water Absorb
        EVs and Nature:
        EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk ----- or ---- 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
        Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) / Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

        I don't think Bastiodon is a good mon either let's replace that with something else. Though I'm too lazy right now, so I'm posting later.

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        Old September 24th, 2011 (2:48 PM).
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        I'd agree with Phinamthi on the Flareon issue - it really isn't a very good Eevelution. I'd say Espeon's the best though. It's a great sweeper with good moves and immense special attack + speed. If you gave it:

        - Psychic
        - Shadow Ball
        - Hidden Power (fighting) [or if you can't get that, Grass Knot]
        - Double Team/Calm Mind
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        Ability- Magic Bounce (If you can't get a dream world Eevee, go for Synchronize)
        EVs: 252 SAtk, 252 Spd, 4 Hp
        Nature: Modest (+SAtk, -Atk)

        However, Bastiodon can still work well depending on your style so don't give up on it if you don't want to! :) Giving it spikes/stealth rock (if it can learn...?) and using it to set up the rest of your team would be a great idea.
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          First of all, I think you should add the EV's so me and of course other people can rate this

          I personally think Flareon is the worst Eevolution of all of them. If you're looking for a "general offensive" Mon (which I don't think is a good "choice"), try Vaporeon, even though it's defensive.


          - Surf / Hydro Pump
          - Ice Beam
          - Hidden Power [Electric] / Hidden Power [Fire]
          - Baton Pass / Shadow Ball
          Item- Choice Specs
          Ability- Water Absorb
          EVs and Nature:
          EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk ----- or ---- 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
          Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) / Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

          I don't think Bastiodon is a good mon either let's replace that with something else. Though I'm too lazy right now, so I'm posting later.

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          Yeah I was thinking about replacing flareon. Instead of using vaporeon or espeon I was thinking about using Magmortar. That could help my team. And I'm just using Bastiodon as like a lead. He doesn't do much damage he just helps stall and let me figure out my opponents team so I can anticipate better. So I could change it but I haven't found a good replacement yet.
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          Old September 24th, 2011 (3:12 PM).
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            Yeah, Espeon is the best. I just thought he needed something to cover the ground type weakness
            Ok. You can do the above post for Bastiodon or do this...

            Scizor
            - Swords Dance
            - Bullet Punch
            - Roost / Bug Bite
            - Roost / Brick Break
            Item- Leftovers / Life Orb
            Ability: Technician
            EVs and Nature:
            EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd ----- or ----- 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
            Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

            Also, I'd rather have Power Split instead of Sunny Day on Shuckle imo
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            Old September 24th, 2011 (3:29 PM).
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            I had a look and Bastiodon can't actually learn any Stealth Rock moves... Iron Defence could be useful though to really ensure that you've got long enough to prepare.
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            Bastiodon has a terrible defensive typing, despite the set of resistances it offers.

            If you're using this on Pokemon Online, use Drought Ninetales:
            -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
            -Energy Ball
            -Will-o-Wisp
            -Hidden Power (Fighting/Ground)/Hypnosis
            Nature: Timid
            EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
            Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
            Ability: Drought

            If you're using Wi-Fi, assuming you can't access the Dream World, use Crobat:
            -Sunny Day
            -U-turn
            -Roost
            -Brave Bird
            Nature: Jolly
            EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe
            Item: Heat Rock

            Flareon is outright terrible; use the Espeon set that AlexOzzyCake suggested, except make it Timid and scrap Double Team.

            Hydreigon might be best as a Choice Scarfer for revenge killing duties:
            -Draco Meteor
            -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
            -Focus Blast
            -U-turn
            Nature: Timid
            EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
            Item: Choice Scarf

            Whimsicott seems out of place here due to its Fire weakness being amplified in the sun, but it can set up Sunny Day again should it go away:
            -Sunny Day
            -U-turn/Substitute
            -Leech Seed
            -Taunt/Stun Spore
            Nature: Bold
            EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
            Item: Leftovers/Heat Rock
            Ability: Prankster

            Never ever use Petal Dance on Roserade. Replace that with Weather Ball, since it benefits from the sun.

            Heatran is a better wall than Shuckle due to a better defensive typing:
            -Lava Plume
            -Stealth Rock/Roar
            -Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
            -Protect
            Nature: Calm
            EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk
            Item: Leftovers
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              Bastiodon has a terrible defensive typing, despite the set of resistances it offers.

              If you're using this on Pokemon Online, use Drought Ninetales:
              -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
              -Energy Ball
              -Will-o-Wisp
              -Hidden Power (Fighting/Ground)/Hypnosis
              Nature: Timid
              EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
              Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
              Ability: Drought

              If you're using Wi-Fi, assuming you can't access the Dream World, use Crobat:
              -Sunny Day
              -U-turn
              -Roost
              -Brave Bird
              Nature: Jolly
              EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe
              Item: Heat Rock

              Flareon is outright terrible; use the Espeon set that AlexOzzyCake suggested, except make it Timid and scrap Double Team.

              Hydreigon might be best as a Choice Scarfer for revenge killing duties:
              -Draco Meteor
              -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
              -Focus Blast
              -U-turn
              Nature: Timid
              EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
              Item: Choice Scarf

              Whimsicott seems out of place here due to its Fire weakness being amplified in the sun, but it can set up Sunny Day again should it go away:
              -Sunny Day
              -U-turn/Substitute
              -Leech Seed
              -Taunt/Stun Spore
              Nature: Bold
              EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
              Item: Leftovers/Heat Rock
              Ability: Prankster

              Never ever use Petal Dance on Roserade. Replace that with Weather Ball, since it benefits from the sun.

              Heatran is a better wall than Shuckle due to a better defensive typing:
              -Lava Plume
              -Stealth Rock/Roar
              -Toxic/Will-o-Wisp
              -Protect
              Nature: Calm
              EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk
              Item: Leftovers
              I was actually thinking about switching flareon with sceptile.

              Sceptile @ life orb
              [sp.atk/spd/sp.def]
              Modest nature
              -hidden power
              -solarbeam
              -focus blast
              -leaf storm

              would that be good?
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              Sceptile sounds good but doesn't need both solar beam and leaf storm - I'd only choose one to keep if I were you. What type of hidden power were you thinking? Focus blast is very inaccurate; a more reliable move could be a good idea... Honestly I don't know which moves would be better though - it can't actually learn that many good special moves. :/ Sunny Day and a status/stat move could be good I guess?
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                Sceptile sounds good but doesn't need both solar beam and leaf storm - I'd only choose one to keep if I were you. What type of hidden power were you thinking? Focus blast is very inaccurate; a more reliable move could be a good idea... Honestly I don't know which moves would be better though - it can't actually learn that many good special moves. :/ Sunny Day and a status/stat move could be good I guess?
                I was hoping for dragon or ice or psychic for hidden power. Idk i'll see what I can get.

                I could breed it to get dragonbreath also. That'd be a good move.
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                I was hoping for dragon or ice or psychic for hidden power. Idk i'll see what I can get.

                I could breed it to get dragonbreath also. That'd be a good move.
                Sceptile is out of place in a Sunny Day team because it doesn't have Chlorophyll. Don't use it in there. You're best off with Tangrowth, due to it having Chlorophyll and a wide offensive movepool:
                -Power Whip
                -Hidden Power (Fire)
                -Earthquake/Rock Slide
                -Growth/Sleep Powder
                Nature: Naughty
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
                Ability: Chlorophyll
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                  Sceptile is out of place in a Sunny Day team because it doesn't have Chlorophyll. Don't use it in there. You're best off with Tangrowth, due to it having Chlorophyll and a wide offensive movepool:
                  -Power Whip
                  -Hidden Power (Fire)
                  -Earthquake/Rock Slide
                  -Growth/Sleep Powder
                  Nature: Naughty
                  EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                  Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
                  Ability: Chlorophyll
                  I was also thinking about Sawsbuck. He has decent atk but with a life orb he'd be pretty good. He also has chlorophyll.

                  Sawsbuck @ life orb
                  [252atk/252sp.def/6hp]
                  adamant nature
                  -megahorn
                  -wild charge
                  -horn leech
                  -giga impact
                  Maybe that could work?
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                  Old September 24th, 2011 (6:24 PM).
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                  I was also thinking about Sawsbuck. He has decent atk but with a life orb he'd be pretty good. He also has chlorophyll.

                  Sawsbuck @ life orb
                  [252atk/252sp.def/6hp]
                  adamant nature
                  -megahorn
                  -wild charge
                  -horn leech
                  -giga impact
                  Maybe that could work?
                  Never ever use Giga Impact or Hyper Beam on anything ever because the attack leaves you a sitting duck on the next turn. Also, since Drought Vulpix is banned in UU, it could have a chance in OU (since you can use Chlorophyll with Ninetales there), but Lucario and Conkeldurr have to be dealt with first. I'll let someone else find suggestions on what Pokemon to use to deal with them. For now, use this:
                  -Swords Dance
                  -Return/Double Edge
                  -Horn Leech
                  -Nature Power/Jump Kick
                  Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                  EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                  Item: Life Orb
                  Ability: Chlorophyll

                  I suggest you test both Tangrowth and Sawsbuck out before you decide between one or both of them.
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                    Yeah i'll try both out. thanks a lot.
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                    Old September 24th, 2011 (7:59 PM). Edited September 24th, 2011 by Folly~.
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                      As for what Platinum said, I do believe that to deal with Conkeldurr, you could ditch Roost on a Scizor set and run Wing Attack instead. It gets Technician boosted to 90 BP and has enough PP to keep being used endlessly. As far as Lucario? The standard Brick Break/Superpower.

                      Anyway, I'd go with Tangrowth over Sawsbuck, simply because his benefit from Leaf Guard while you have Sunny Day in effect is absolutely substantial. Even if not, Chlorophyll will give you at least a small dosage of speed.

                      Tangrowth
                      Nature: Calm
                      Ability: Leaf Guard
                      @Leftovers
                      Giga Drain
                      Leech Seed
                      Protect
                      Toxic
                      EVs: Max HP, and split the Defenses

                      Obviously, this set is purely for the purpose of stalling the foe to hell and back. Not much to comment about it for, as it's obvious how it should be played.
                      Hope this helps some.
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                      As for what Platinum said, I do believe that to deal with Conkeldurr, you could ditch Roost on a Scizor set and run Wing Attack instead. It gets Technician boosted to 90 BP and has enough PP to keep being used endlessly. As far as Lucario? The standard Brick Break/Superpower.

                      Anyway, I'd go with Tangrowth over Sawsbuck, simply because his benefit from Leaf Guard while you have Sunny Day in effect is absolutely substantial. Even if not, Chlorophyll will give you at least a small dosage of speed.

                      Tangrowth
                      Nature: Calm
                      Ability: Leaf Guard
                      @Leftovers
                      Giga Drain
                      Leech Seed
                      Protect
                      Toxic
                      EVs: Max HP, and split the Defenses

                      Obviously, this set is purely for the purpose of stalling the foe to hell and back. Not much to comment about it for, as it's obvious how it should be played.
                      Hope this helps some.
                      Nah, Scizor is very rarely seen with Aerial Ace because of its rather lackluster coverage. Also, I can see Chandelure work somewhere on the team due to its immunity to Mach Punch and Vacuum Wave:
                      -Overheat/Fire Blast
                      -Shadow Ball
                      -Energy Ball
                      -Hidden Power (Fighting)
                      Nature: Modest
                      EVs: 72 HP/252 SAtk/184 Spe
                      Item: Choice Specs
                      Ability: Flash Fire
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                        Wow. What the heck are you thinking with that Whimsicott?

                        Whimsicott @ Leftovers
                        Prankster
                        Bold/Impish
                        252 HP/252 Def/4 SpDef
                        ~Encore
                        ~Leech Seed
                        ~Substitute/U-Turn
                        ~Stun Spore/Taunt

                        Also, could you please tell me what [sp.atk/sp.def/speed] means? Are those supposed to be EVs? If so, could you give the numbers too?
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                          Wow. What the heck are you thinking with that Whimsicott?

                          Whimsicott @ Leftovers
                          Prankster
                          Bold/Impish
                          252 HP/252 Def/4 SpDef
                          ~Encore
                          ~Leech Seed
                          ~Substitute/U-Turn
                          ~Stun Spore/Taunt

                          Also, could you please tell me what [sp.atk/sp.def/speed] means? Are those supposed to be EVs? If so, could you give the numbers too?
                          Yeah I had no clue what to do with whimsicott. haha
                          The brackets mean the first two listed have 252 evs and the last one has 6.
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                          Old September 25th, 2011 (5:03 PM). Edited September 25th, 2011 by Fairy.
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                          Most of them have a weakness of fire and to be defensive
                          Please try to be more thorough/specific when posting a rate for someone's team. It's hard to understand exactly what you're trying to say. ;(



                          Anyway, Staryu_Beast. The Whimsicott set that Snorelacks posted is a very effective set. Probably one of the best sets out there for Whimsicott. However, it's not really friendly to newer battlers. It requires a deeper sense of prediction that might be a bit complicated for you. I encourage you to try it as it is a wonderful recommendation, but you might benefit a little more from abandoning Whimsicott all together. PlatinumDude's Tangrowth set is a fine choice. Other Pokemon like Venusaur has found it's way into OU, credited to the fact that it does so well under Sun. So, at the risk of not reading all the posts before me, I'll post a set for Venusaur because I don't believe it's been suggested yet.

                          Venusaur @ Life Orb
                          Chlorophyll
                          4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
                          Modest [+Special Attack; -Attack]
                          - Growth
                          - Energy Ball / Solar Beam
                          - Hidden Power [Fire]
                          - Sludge Bomb

                          Growth is the most important move of the set, boosting Venusaur's already good Special Attack to devastating levels. The Life Orb and a Modest nature succeed that even more. Giga Drain is illegal with Chlorophyll, so Energy Ball is your best STAB option. Alternatively, with the Sun, Solar Beam is equally as viable and ten times as deadly. With a Growth boost and Sun, HP [Fire] will OHKO most every Steel type you encounter (save Heatran). Sludge Bomb is your second STAB option, but Sleep Powder can also be used to neutralize most of Venusaur's common threats. If Heatran is that much of a problem (which it is because it pretty much walls this set up and down) than HP [Fighting] can be used against it. But it's pretty much exclusive. Synthesis is also a viable option, but in this case Venusaur would prefer as much offense as it can get.

                          So, that's all I got for now. I might be back later. Good luck with your team! :D
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                            I think you should put arcanine on your team.

                            Arcanine (M) @ Sitrus Berry
                            Trait: Intimidate
                            EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
                            Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
                            - ExtremeSpeed
                            - Morning Sun
                            - Flare Blitz
                            - Close Combat


                            really good choice in the sun. Morning sun heals him up, Flare Blitz beats them down and Extreme Speed to revenge kill.

                            Flash Fire might be the better option considering your team. Roserade and Whimsicott are just asking to catch a fire attack, and jumping Flash Fire Arcanine in to catch it would be amazing.
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                              i reckon its a pretty good team. exeption being hydreigons moves.
                              there is literally no reason to have hyper voice AND dragon pulse. I reccommend you get rid of hyper voice. also, concerning type coverage, flash cannon is only supereffective against rock and ice. i suggest teaching it a dark type move for some nice STAB, and teach it a water type move like surf or scald
                               
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