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Old December 12th, 2011 (11:49 PM).
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Skarm gets destroyed by rain boosted hits, really. Plus alot of Hydration Vaps have Work Up IIRC.

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2 questions. Is there any pokemon that hard counter hydration vaporeon and is thier a pokemon that beats all venasaur sets (or checks them) and can check rain teams? if not then a core of them.
Uh grass types (Virizion, Ferro, Celebi, Shaymin [Natural Cure) and the like) and Rotom-W poop on Vappy. Taunt Jellicent outspeeds Vap and cant Taunt Toxics and Rests and wear Vap down. Sub Mind Latias can set up on Vappy as can Chesto Rest DD Kingdra. STalker Gyara can PHaze it and Rest off any and all damage. Or just change the weather back on predicted Rests. There is also Trick which ruins it.

Heatran and Chandelure wall p much all Venusaur sets without EQ which is exceedingly rare. Sp.Def Dragonite is annoying for it too and can wall even +2 LO Sludge Bomb with SR up iirc. If it lacks Sludge Bomb other dragons wall it too. Blissey/Chansey also beats it quite handily and Chansey walls even the Mix sets too. P2, Sp.Def Deoxys-D and Cress can work in a similar manner. You can also use ScarfTar to change the weather back, outspeed and crush it.

The usual anti weather stall core is Heatran, Gastrodon/Jellicent and Skarm irrc so you could try that.

Hape that helps a little.
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    Skarm gets destroyed by rain boosted hits, really. Plus alot of Hydration Vaps have Work Up IIRC.



    Uh grass types (Virizion, Ferro, Celebi, Shaymin [Natural Cure) and the like) and Rotom-W poop on Vappy. Taunt Jellicent outspeeds Vap and cant Taunt Toxics and Rests and wear Vap down. Sub Mind Latias can set up on Vappy as can Chesto Rest DD Kingdra. STalker Gyara can PHaze it and Rest off any and all damage. Or just change the weather back on predicted Rests. There is also Trick which ruins it.

    Heatran and Chandelure wall p much all Venusaur sets without EQ which is exceedingly rare. Sp.Def Dragonite is annoying for it too and can wall even +2 LO Sludge Bomb with SR up iirc. If it lacks Sludge Bomb other dragons wall it too. Blissey/Chansey also beats it quite handily and Chansey walls even the Mix sets too. P2, Sp.Def Deoxys-D and Cress can work in a similar manner. You can also use ScarfTar to change the weather back, outspeed and crush it.

    The usual anti weather stall core is Heatran, Gastrodon/Jellicent and Skarm irrc so you could try that.

    Hape that helps a little.
    I actually use that core ahahah. Chesto Rest Kingdra sounds interesting! I am also liking a celebi though I think I would do a Leftover Celebi with nasty plot and 3 attacks xD.

    I am also liking the idea of Scarftar! Can you elaborate on those 3 sets please bud?
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    I actually use that core ahahah. Chesto Rest Kingdra sounds interesting! I am also liking a celebi though I think I would do a Leftover Celebi with nasty plot and 3 attacks xD.

    I am also liking the idea of Scarftar! Can you elaborate on those 3 sets please bud?
    [email protected] Scarf
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    Standard ScarfTar. Useful vs [email protected] etc too.

    Kingdra@ Chesto Berry
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    Chesto Rest Kingdra. Id suggest Magnezone too to remove Ferrothorn.

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    Yeah... Psychic hits Dragonite and Ep hits tran. HP Fire hits junk like Scizor so its up to you on what you use.

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                That scared me, omg. I thought you meant Volbeat MOVED to OU and then I was like "wtf that makes no sense... what other crazy changes did they make...", completely ignoring the fact that tier changes aren't til January, iirc. :(

                But yeah, I haven't used it, what makes it fun?
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                  Because passing a 2.5 boost is fun with priority though. Anyways can someone find a list of all things that learn Dual Screens and SR and Dual Screens and U-Turn/Voltswitch
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                  Volbeat is pretty fun to use. I usually run Thunder Wave/Tail Glow/Baton Pass/Random non-taunt bait filler move. Thunder Wave -> Tail Glow -> Pass it on. It's by no means a top tier baton passer but it works well if done properly. :3

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                  Uhh @ former: Deoxys-S could, so Deoxys-D can, Zong, Jirachi, Mew probably, etc. I just use Zong for it :)

                  Also nothing wrong with mass Gastrodon as long as you have a grass type. :x
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                  Because passing a 2.5 boost is fun with priority though. Anyways can someone find a list of all things that learn Dual Screens and SR and Dual Screens and U-Turn/Voltswitch
                  Dual Screens and Stealth Rock;
                  Clefairy, Clefable, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff, Mew, Pineco, Forretress, Magcargo, Swinub, Piloswine, Corsola, Celebi, Lunatone, Solrock, Baltoy, Claydol, Metang, Metagross, Jirachi, Deoxys, Turtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Bronzor, Bronzong, Mamoswine, Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit, Smeargle

                  Dual Screens and Volt Switch;
                  Magnemite, Magneton, Mew, Raikou, Forretress, Magnezone, Rotom (All forms), Smeargle

                  Dual Screens and U-turn;
                  Mew, Ledyba, Ledian, Natu, Xatu, Celebi, Jirachi, Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Manaphy, Woobat, Swoobat, Genesect and Smeargle.

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                  Uhh @ former: Deoxys-S could, so Deoxys-D can, Zong, Jirachi, Mew probably, etc. I just use Zong for it :)

                  Also nothing wrong with mass Gastrodon as long as you have a grass type. :x
                  Deoxys-S is banned.

                  Anyway, speaking of bans, Snover and Abomasnow are now BL. In other words, Snow Warning is now gone in every tier but OU and Ubers.
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                  I know, that's why I said "could", and everything else as "can", lol.

                  For some reason I don't think hail will be used as much, tbh. Because in UU it only had to contend with sand, but in OU it instantly has two other weather types and idk... I always view rain/sand/sun as superior /bias

                  dragonomega, that's such a sin! I haven't used a team lately without some sort of grass Pokemon, they're so useful :( go fix this rn!!
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                  I know, that's why I said "could", and everything else as "can", lol.

                  For some reason I don't think hail will be used as much, tbh. Because in UU it only had to contend with sand, but in OU it instantly has two other weather types and idk... I always view rain/sand/sun as superior /bias

                  dragonomega, that's such a sin! I haven't used a team lately without some sort of grass Pokemon, they're so useful :( go fix this rn!!
                  ;o; I put an SD Virizion into it. It works a bit better, however I haven't seen one Gastrodon... >: Quagsire and Swampert are a bit low as well. All I see are [email protected], Tyranitar etc

                  I agree with the 'Hail won't be used' because it probably won't. Abomasnow is pretty much owned by all Weather starters, (Barr Politoed) and Hail doesn't have the best abusers. I really do think that Hail needs a new secondary effect than just minor damage every turn.
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