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Old December 23rd, 2011 (5:59 AM).
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;o; I put an SD Virizion into it. It works a bit better, however I haven't seen one Gastrodon... >: Quagsire and Swampert are a bit low as well. All I see are [email protected], Tyranitar etc

I agree with the 'Hail won't be used' because it probably won't. Abomasnow is pretty much owned by all Weather starters, (Barr Politoed) and Hail doesn't have the best abusers. I really do think that Hail needs a new secondary effect than just minor damage every turn.
A possible secondary effect of Hail that I've had in mind for some time could be that Ice Pokemon will receive a 1.5x boost to their Defense in Hail. What does anyone think?
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A possible secondary effect of Hail that I've had in mind for some time could be that Ice Pokemon will receive a 1.5x boost to their Defense in Hail. What does anyone think?
I think that would be pretty nifty but Ice types aren't the best, defensive-wise. D: I guess a raise in speed, or offensive stats would be the best option?
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Old December 23rd, 2011 (6:06 AM).
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Oh wow, just imagine Froslass w/ Snow Cloak in Hail, raising its evasion and its speed, perfect for a revenge killer!

...despite it being used mainly for spikes and stuff. :x
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Speaking of hail, Snow Warning was just banned in UU and below. :)
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Yes Vrai that is why we were discussing it!

Why else would we randomly discuss the worst weather of all? :3
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Speaking of hail, Snow Warning was just banned in UU and below. :)
Yup. I already said that :)

Sucks they had to ban the most christmasy weather so near to christmas though.
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    Anyways what have I missed over the past few months? I'm around for the holidays =)
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    Old December 23rd, 2011 (10:49 AM).
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    Anyways what have I missed over the past few months? I'm around for the holidays =)
    Quite a bit, I'd imagine, but I kinda wandered off from competitive battling so I missed a bit too. :x From what I gather, Excadrill, Thundurus & Deoxys-S are banned, along with Hail.

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      Deoxys-S is banned.

      Anyway, speaking of bans, Snover and Abomasnow are now BL. In other words, Snow Warning is now gone in every tier but OU and Ubers.

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      Quite a bit, I'd imagine, but I kinda wandered off from competitive battling so I missed a bit too. :x From what I gather, Excadrill, Thundurus & Deoxys-S are banned, along with Hail.

      in other news i was asked for sexual favors on our PO server. :xx
      And Scizor is #1 in usage. AND RAIN WON'T GTFO. /all the necessary facts
      (also you should specify, 'cause 3 are banned from OU and the other isn't :x)

      Oh... and that "person" "regularly" does that... or at least every month. It's creepy.
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      Old December 23rd, 2011 (7:07 PM).
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      I can't see hail being used much anymore either. Abomasnow has too many counters and the fact that almost only ice types get a benefit from it, and ice is a horrible defensive typing. It's like why use hail when you can use sandstorm.

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      I really do think that Hail needs a new secondary effect than just minor damage every turn.
      Hail needs to boost Ice's defence or special defence by 50% to compete with sandstorm imo.
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      Old December 23rd, 2011 (7:34 PM).
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        Hail needs to boost Ice's defence or special defence by 50% to compete with sandstorm imo.
        hail does activate a few abilities such as Snow Cloak(Raises evasion) and Ice Body (Restores little HP every turn). idk if i'm correct but doesn't hail guarantees Blizzard a strike on every turn?
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        Old December 23rd, 2011 (7:38 PM).
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        hail does activate a few abilities such as Snow Cloak(Raises evasion) and Ice Body (Restores little HP every turn). idk if i'm correct but doesn't hail guarantees Blizzard a strike on every turn?
        Yeah it does. But other weather abilities work without abilities. Like Sun powers up Fire moves, lowers Water damage and lets you instantly fire off Solarbeam. Rain lets Thunder and Hurricane have 100% accuracy and gives Water moves a rise in power and Fire moves a reduction and then Sand gives Rock-types 50% boosts to their special defense, Rock, Steel & Ground types take nil from the Sandstorm damage and there's the Solarbeam, Thunder & Hurricane accuracy cut that it brings.
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          well I have a Vileplume with Chlorophyll that has Sunny Day and Solarbeam... he's Timid natured and when he uses Sunny Day, his ability makes him faster than an Aerodactyl or Accelgor. i'm not a competitive player but doesn't this Vileplume make it seem something a competitive player wants?
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          Old December 23rd, 2011 (7:52 PM).
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          well I have a Vileplume with Chlorophyll that has Sunny Day and Solarbeam... he's Timid natured and when he uses Sunny Day, his ability makes him faster than an Aerodactyl or Accelgor. i'm not a competitive player but doesn't this Vileplume make it seem something a competitive player wants?
          Players don't really bother with Vileplume because it's seriously outclassed by Venusaur, who has higher Attack, Speed and bulk as well as a bit more of a move pool, allowing it to go mixed with Earthquake and/or Seed Bomb. Even Victreebel outclasses Vileplume due to it having Weather Ball and higher offensive stats (even with equal Special Attack to Vileplume)
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          Old December 25th, 2011 (4:56 AM).
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          hail does activate a few abilities such as Snow Cloak(Raises evasion) and Ice Body (Restores little HP every turn). idk if i'm correct but doesn't hail guarantees Blizzard a strike on every turn?
          But all (not Shadow Sky or Fog, but meh to the) activate abilities like sun activating Solar Power, rain activating Rain Dish or sandstorm activating Sand Sand Veil. Hail just lacks anything to really make it stand out imo.

          Also Nica and I had a hail team battle today for Christmas, it was obvious that our teams had more Pokemon to counter hail Pokemon then abusers themselves. The whole battle was pretty fail in all.
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          Well actually, I just battled AlexOzzyCake with the same hail team and it actually did pretty well, lol. I dunno, I guess hail would suck against other weathers but in general I think it's "okay", except Abomasnow sucks. :)

          Jirachi works great in hail tbh, because HAX IS USEFUL IN ALL WEATHERS /redeeming point
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            Jirachi is currently in my OU team, and I've used it before I decided to stop battling actively and it's always been an asset to my team pretty much. Jirachi ftw.

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              Old December 25th, 2011 (9:04 AM). Edited December 25th, 2011 by Maple Leaf.
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                It's Really good against Scizor and Tyranitar, the two pokemon which my old Deoxys kept getting killed by while screening.

                I'm also trying out Uxie...it has really good defense!
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                Old December 25th, 2011 (11:27 AM).
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                I hate using Jirachi and I hate facing them. :< I mean, I used to always use a Jirachi but now it seems every team carries a counter for one. If I do run one I use the Scarf set because the Hax set is too common. I like using Claydol as my screener/spinner. He's pretty bulky and has an interesting typing.
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                I can't see hail being used much anymore either. Abomasnow has too many counters and the fact that almost only ice types get a benefit from it, and ice is a horrible defensive typing. It's like why use hail when you can use sandstorm.


                Hail needs to boost Ice's defence or special defence by 50% to compete with sandstorm imo.
                hi, i know i'm kind of late but if you're playing hail defensively you're doing it wrong. hail should really just be purely offensive teams - and no, it's not that ice-types are the only beneficiaries. everything on an offensive team appreciates leftovers being negated, because as you said (or what i paraphrased from what you said), only ice-types ignore hail damage. hail's also really only good for making blizzard 100% accurate, plus it trolls with all of the other stupid weather teams going around lately (and abomasnow manhandles politoed). yes, it does have the least amount going for it compared to drizzle, drought, and sand stream, but hail definitely is the "dark horse" of weather.
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