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Old January 28th, 2012 (9:05 AM). Edited January 28th, 2012 by SkyStar.
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    Swampert @ Rindo Berry
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 8 HP / 252 Sp atk / 124 Def / 124 Sp Def
    Modest
    - Muddy Water
    - Earth Power
    - Scald
    - Mirror Coat

    Swampert is my team's lead, it spams muddy water and earth power.

    Salamence @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    Evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant
    - Dragon Claw
    - Substitute
    - Dragon Tail
    - Dragon Pulse

    Salamence is my physical sweeper, It will mainly use Dragon Claw, and Dragon Tail.

    Reuniclus @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    Evs: 252 HP / 192 Sp Atk / 68 Def
    Modest
    - Psychic
    - Charm
    - Confuse Ray
    - Pain Split

    Reuniclus will start with charm to lower the opponents attack, then it will confuse them. It will then
    use psychic and pain split til it is fainted.

    Mienshao @ Leftovers
    Ability: Inner Focus
    Evs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spd
    Adamant
    - Aura Sphere
    - Drain Punch
    - Fake Out
    - Me First

    Mienshao is a second Physical Sweeper, who will mainly use Aura Sphere and Drain Punch

    Skarmory @ Leftovers
    Ablity: Sturdy
    Evs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 140 Def / 20 Spd
    Impish
    - Spikes
    - Drill Peck
    - Whirlwind
    - Roost

    Skarmory is my Spiker/Physical Wall.

    Scizor @ Choice Band
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spd
    Naughty
    - U-turn
    - Bullet Punch
    - Bug Buzz
    - Pursuit

    Scizor is my Physical Sweeper, and will mainly use Bug Buzz, and Bullet Punch.

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    Old January 28th, 2012 (9:38 AM).
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    Swampert is basically a physical attacker rather than a special one (and defensive), and using accuracy lowering attacks and a normal STAB w/o any physical boost doesn't really do much (mainly because lowering accuracy means a chance of the attacks missing and not definite :x), sooo for attacker you'll do a lot better w/ this:

    [email protected] Band
    Torrent
    172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
    Adamant
    - Waterfall / Aqua Tail
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Punch / Stone Edge
    - Superpower

    Since it'll allow you to hit hard with your main physical STABs, and cover things that your STABs can't with the other two.

    For Salamence, having Dragon Pulse doesn't really help because you've already got Dragon Claw & Dragon Tail which are physical, aka what Mence specialises in, while having no investment in sPA confuses me. :x If you want a sweeper, go for this set:

    [email protected] Orb / Leftovers
    Intimidate
    252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    Naive / Naughty
    - Dragon Dance
    - Outrage / Dragon Claw
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Blast / Roost

    Since with that it can perform its sweeper role rather than just somewhat phaze the opponent. OR go with...

    [email protected] Orb
    Intimidate
    116 Atk / 216 SpA / 176 Spe
    Naive / Rash
    - Draco Meteor
    - Fire Blast
    - Brick Break / Earthquake
    - Roost / Outrage

    Either enable it to perform the sweeper role, depending on which you prefer.

    Reuniclus mostly needs since it doesn't incur any damage from hazards etc as well as LO, so really for that extra boost in power w/o fear, you need that. :x As for coverage, you're weak to pretty much every dark type and ghosts, so focus blast is necessary and/or shadow ball. Also, lowering opponent's attack etc won't work because you want to boost your own stats, rather than lower the opponent's, because they can just switch out. Plus for Reuniclus, Recover is a much more reliable move for recovery. There's also the fact that opponents could easily Taunt you, due to its terrible speed.

    However, if you do wish to affect stats & recover, this set is much more suited:

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    Magic Guard
    252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover
    - Psychic / Psyshock
    - Focus Blast

    This will allow you to recover and attack and boost your own stats rather than play with the opponents, as well as give you coverage.

    For Mienshao, Aura Sphere doesn't really do anything (plus it's special and you'd gain more power from HJK), so considering you plan to make use of Fake Out, you're better off with this set:

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    Regenerator
    252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    Naive
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - U-turn
    - Hidden Power Ice
    - Fake Out

    Regeneration will allow you to recover as you switch out, which you'll be doing often, thanks to U-turn generally after Fake Out in most cases, while the other attacks are for coverage with things you'd otherwise struggle with aka dragons and your STAB, HJK.

    On Scizor, I hope you meant to say Bug Bite & not Bug Buzz, because Bug Buzz is special, and with a Choice Band + Technician, Bug Bite performs muuuch better.

    Good luck either way!
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    Old January 28th, 2012 (10:05 AM). Edited January 28th, 2012 by SkyStar.
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      [email protected] Band
      Torrent
      172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
      Adamant
      - Waterfall
      - Earthquake
      - Stone Edge
      - Earth Power

      I prefer earth power to super power because it gets STAB, is there any reason the use superpower instead?


      [email protected] Orb
      Intimidate
      252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
      Naughty
      - Dragon Dance
      - Dragon Claw
      - Earthquake
      - Fire Blast

      [email protected] Orb
      Magic Guard
      252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
      Bold
      - Calm Mind
      - Recover
      - Psychic
      - Focus Blast



      [email protected] Orb
      Regenerator
      252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
      Naive
      - Hi Jump Kick
      - U-turn
      - Hidden Power Ice
      - Fake Out


      Skarmory @ Leftovers
      Ablity: Sturdy
      Evs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 140 Def / 20 Spd
      Impish
      - Spikes
      - Drill Peck
      - Whirlwind
      - Roost

      Skarmory is my Spiker/Physical Wall.

      Scizor @ Choice Band
      Ability: Technician
      EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spd
      Naughty
      - U-turn
      - Bullet Punch
      - Bug Bite
      - Pursuit

      Is this better? Thanks for the help.

      Also should I choice band spam Bug Bite instead of bullet punch, because it has 45 more power than bullet punch, and this being VGC 20 pp should be more than enough.

      Also why fire blast? His attack is so much better than sp atk.
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      But it gets STAB from Earthquake, anyway. Earth Power is a special attack and doesn't benefit Swampert in any way while you've got Earthquake. If you switch Swampert in on a Choice Band, using Earth Power has no point because it doesn't get any boost. :x Superpower, however, is both physical & can provide good coverage.

      Aaand Fire Blast because you'll likely end up facing steel types, in which your dragon STABs can't do anything to (aka why they send in steels), while Fire Blast has just enough power to destroy those steels.

      Also remember that Bullet Punch has priority, and a lot of the time it's necessary to use. You could always stick Brick Break or Superpower in the place of Bug Bite 'cause you have U-turn anyway (aka bug STAB and allowing you to switch!) in order to take on Magnezone and other steels you can't face otherwise.
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      Old January 28th, 2012 (5:09 PM). Edited January 30th, 2012 by SkyStar.
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        [email protected] Band
        Torrent
        172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
        Adamant
        - Waterfall
        - Earthquake
        - Stone Edge
        - Superpower

        Swampert is my lead, and physical sweeper. It is paired with Salamence so it can us earthquake without team damage. Swampert will mainly use waterfall.

        [email protected] Orb
        Intimidate
        252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
        Naughty
        - Dragon Dance
        - Dragon Claw
        - Earthquake
        - Fire Blast

        Salamence is another physical sweeper. It will mainly use Dragon claw, which with STAB has 120 BP,

        [email protected] Orb
        Magic Guard
        252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
        Bold
        - Calm Mind
        - Recover
        - Psychic
        - Focus Blast

        Reuniclus is a Special Sweeper, Magic Guard allows him to ignore Spikes/Weather, And Psychic with STAB has 135 BP.

        [email protected] Orb
        Regenerator
        252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
        Naive
        - Hi Jump Kick
        - U-turn
        - Hidden Power Ice
        - Fake Out

        Mienshao is as Physical sweeper, it will use U-turn to attack, and regenerator will let it regain hp every time I use u-turn.


        Skarmory @ Leftovers
        Ablity: Sturdy
        Evs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 140 Def / 20 Spd
        Impish
        - Spikes
        - Drill Peck
        - Whirlwind
        - Roost

        Skarmory is my Spiker/Physical Wall, it also has whirlwind to escape from magnet pull.

        Scizor @ Choice Band
        Ability: Technician
        EVs: 68 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spd
        Naughty
        - U-turn
        - Bullet Punch
        - Superpower
        - Pursuit

        Scizor is a physical sweeper, it will mainly use Bullet Punch.

        How 'bout this, I cant see any obvious flaws.

        Also what about switching skarmory for

        Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
        Iron Barbs
        252 HP / 88 Def / 168 Sp Def
        Relaxed
        - Leech Seed
        - Stealth Rock
        - Thunder Wave
        - Power Whip

        or this

        Tyranitar @ Leftovers
        Sand Stream
        252 HP / 64 Sp Atk / 192 Sp Def
        Sassy
        - Stealth Rock
        - Crunch
        - Flamethrower
        - Ice Beam

        and do legendary pokemon have much better stats? Is it worth it to use them?

        Also since in my pokemon online test runs Mienshao normally faints fast, should I switch it for

        Thundurus @ Leftovers
        Prankster
        4 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spe
        - Thunderbolt
        - Hidden Power Ice
        - Thunder Wave
        - Substitute
         

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