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Old February 10th, 2012 (10:43 PM). Edited February 10th, 2012 by TwiDragon.
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    ^ABC, its on youtube; a good majority of it. They don't just do stuff for Gay discrimination. Their is stuff against a lot of discrimination and crimes. Its very intresting. However, the show is one of those "feel" shows. You know what happens in each episode, and they rarley go into detail with the bad side. I only saw one bad thing, and that was part of the gay episode where they where in Alabama


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    Old February 11th, 2012 (12:34 AM).
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    My favorite part of that speech was when she said that she thought she would agonize over it, but then nothing actually changed. It's so true... unless of course, you cause something to change by not accepting your child. I mean, I thought things were going to get really tense once I told my mom, but she hasn't even hardly mentioned it since then. She obviously doesn't "accept" it, but it hasn't affected our relationship in the slightest. The only difference I've noticed is that she doesn't say mean things about gay couples on house hunters anymore. lol
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    Old February 11th, 2012 (10:23 PM).
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    ^ABC, its on youtube; a good majority of it. They don't just do stuff for Gay discrimination. Their is stuff against a lot of discrimination and crimes. Its very intresting. However, the show is one of those "feel" shows. You know what happens in each episode, and they rarley go into detail with the bad side. I only saw one bad thing, and that was part of the gay episode where they where in Alabama


    Also, all. Watch this.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH5egFXHJnQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
    You all may like this speech


    EDIT - Would like to publicly thank Pudz for helping me educate myself on an issue that I was misinformed through her personal experience. Thank you ^.^
    Ah, I saw that video earlier and it just makes you so happy to see someone being understanding and human. I wish more people had gay relatives because that seems to be one of the strongest ways to get people to change their minds. Family is kind of amazing that way. I'm not even a family kind of person and that kind of story really touches me.
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    Old February 12th, 2012 (5:11 AM).
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      Old February 12th, 2012 (11:10 AM).
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        For cross dressing anyone know how to not have facial hair show? Like I shave a lot and find its not the hair so much has dark patches on my face. It seems to be only where the hair grows and stays after shaving. I do have darker skin since I'm spanish but was wonder if its jsut me or if others have the issue.
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        Old February 12th, 2012 (12:53 PM).
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          To deal with really heavy shadow - and if you don't want to seek a permanent hair reduction solution - you want to get yourself a bright orange lipstick. I know, it sounds weird, but shadow is a blue and orange cancels blue. Put it on a sponge and blend it over the darker areas before you use anything else. Usually it's a nono to do concealer before foundation, but /trust me/ here. Do your foundation (liquid, of course) over the top, then make sure to use your powder afterward to get rid of the liquid concealer finish or else you'll look like you're wearing too much makeup. If you blended over your cheeks, make sure to use a nice blush or bronzer on your cheekbones to get some color back, and you should end up with a very lovely blended even tone all over with no trace of shadow.
          Oh thanks was not sure what to do.
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          Old February 12th, 2012 (6:08 PM).
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            ^Hey cutiepie <3 Love yas!

            I'm planning on doing some crossdressing on Thursday. I'm very excited to do this! What makes it a bit special this time is that I have permission from my mom to borrow some of her unused clothing for this, and that I may be taking some pictures. I don't think I would be showing them off to any offline friend, but I think I'll share them with anyone who is curious.

            I'm not sure if I'm going to do make-up, as I'm really horrid with it and need to learn more. I'll learn how to do it one day, but for now I'm not anywhere near an expert XD

            If your curious in any images I present, let me know via PM. I'd be glad to share it with you, if you see you trustworthy!
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            Old February 12th, 2012 (11:20 PM).
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              For cross dressing anyone know how to not have facial hair show? Like I shave a lot and find its not the hair so much has dark patches on my face. It seems to be only where the hair grows and stays after shaving. I do have darker skin since I'm spanish but was wonder if its jsut me or if others have the issue.
              ... I would say waxing and then some light makeup should cover any texture or skin color issues. Not that I've ever crossdressed, waxed or used makeup, but... logically it makes sense?
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                Okay I have a question. I understand why a transgender person, someone who is mentally a different gender than the body he or she was born with, would desire to dress accordingly to the gender that he or she identifies with.

                Why do some gay people desire to dress as a gender they do not identify with?
                Also, do drag queens or anyone who puts on a comedic show whether it be on stage or among friends offend transgender people who are not putting on an act and do not dress to entertain or humor others? Not to mention, many people just assume from the actions above that transgender people are synonymous with cross-dressing/drag, does it, in a way, illegitimize transgender rights or acceptance by society as a serious issue? Lot's of questions/thoughts here, but overall, what are your thoughts?
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                Old February 13th, 2012 (12:30 AM). Edited February 13th, 2012 by Alice.
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                Well, I'm definitely not trans, but I'll admit that crossdressing is appealing to me. Can't really say why, though it is more of a sexual thing for me, not an issue of expression or comfort.

                Perhaps it's simply a fetish? (Shut up, you know you have them too. lol :P)

                As far as drag queens go, I don't really even know anything about them, so I really can't comment on that. lol
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                Old February 13th, 2012 (12:42 AM).
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                  Okay I have a question. I understand why a transgender person, someone who is mentally a different gender than the body he or she was born with, would desire to dress accordingly to the gender that he or she identifies with.

                  Why do some gay people desire to dress as a gender they do not identify with?
                  Also, do drag queens or anyone who puts on a comedic show whether it be on stage or among friends offend transgender people who are not putting on an act and do not dress to entertain or humor others? Not to mention, many people just assume from the actions above that transgender people are synonymous with cross-dressing/drag, does it, in a way, illegitimize transgender rights or acceptance by society as a serious issue? Lot's of questions/thoughts here, but overall, what are your thoughts?
                  I think any transitioner who is offended by other people under the transgender umbrella, is completely missing the point of the LGBT movement. Drag queens/kings and crossdressers . . . well, they have their own reasons. Some of them do identify non-gender-conformant and some of them are naturally far outside of gender boundaries even ignoring their crossdressing. I think being gay is really more incidental. Plenty of straight or bisexual men (and women) crossdress as well. Transvestic fetishists, often simply called transvestites (despite the fact that transvestite traditionally means crossdresser with no additional implications), are people who . . . well, people who have a fetish for crossdressing. xD If I'm not mistaken, transvestic fetishists are specifically classified as separate from the term "crossdresser".
                  Naturally, I agree with drag queen/king behaviour because I feel it mocks or minimises gender boundaries or shows how ridiculous some stereotypes are. Everyone has their own reasons for crossdressing, and there's nothing wrong with it to begin with so in my opinion you don't even need an excuse.
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                  Old February 13th, 2012 (1:11 AM).
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                    I think anyone can do it and its fine. I don't get offended but actual think its fine with anyone doing it. If I'm not mistaken there was a cross dresser who was in quote a few episodes of Pokemon a few years back and was my favorite character. I don't think it offends but rather helps.
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                    Old February 13th, 2012 (2:32 AM).
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                      Why do some gay people desire to dress as a gender they do not identify with?
                      Also, do drag queens or anyone who puts on a comedic show whether it be on stage or among friends offend transgender people who are not putting on an act and do not dress to entertain or humor others? Not to mention, many people just assume from the actions above that transgender people are synonymous with cross-dressing/drag, does it, in a way, illegitimize transgender rights or acceptance by society as a serious issue? Lot's of questions/thoughts here, but overall, what are your thoughts?
                      Ok with the first question.
                      "Why do some gay people desire to dress as a gender they do not identify with". Well it all comes down to what they are attracted too. They are guys who like other guys. They don't need to have the fashion sense of a girl in order to be in love with the same gender. Most people I know who are crossdressers, or want to be apart of the lifestyle (such as myself) tend to be sexually attracted to a lot more than one gender. I'm obvioslsy not speaking for everyone, but for the most part, a lot of crossdressers live in bisexuality or some form where its close to it.

                      I've watched a few acts where a guy will dress up as a girl. There are people who will do it for show such as Gaga at the New York awards. There are people who crossdress on Halloween and for cosplay. The only thing that I don't really care for is when a guy trys to make himself not look like a girl, but make himself look a prostitute. I also have a friend who is an actual model that does drag on the side because she thinks its fun. I don't have a problem with. Most people who do drag shows on the side are actually not that bad at doing it. I say for the most part it doesn't get to me, just don't dress in a way thats insanely disrespectful in public eye.

                      Most people who crossdress for fun are really open in the LGBTS community. I don't think every single guy who though't it be funny to show off a bad costume is going to care that much. However you have people out there who do care. They have to respect the art that they are doing, and what that are really means for people. If you don't, then you shouldn't be doing it. People like my friend Shelby (the model), and Gaga have some big voices in the community. (Granted Shelby's is more local, while Gaga is global/countrywise).

                      The reasons why I crossdress, or at least am so excited to live it out is because of a few reasons. I felt really nice wearing girls clothing, it was fun. I was sexually attracted towards cross dressing, but I have a sexual attraction to both male and females. However, you don't have to identify with a certain sexuality in order to this. I'm sure that their are some crossdressers who still find attraction within their the opposite sex. I can't speak for them though, your going to need to find out why they do it on your own. With people who crossdress every know and then for acts, shows, or costume. I say let them have at it! A lot of people who do it for fun can be really pro-gay. Which is awesome! The only problem is when guys take it too far and act really stupid to it, or when it is being mocked on purpose.


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                      Old February 13th, 2012 (7:47 AM).
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                        Why do some gay people desire to dress as a gender they do not identify with?
                        Is this specifically a gay person thing or something?

                        You know, plenty of straight females crossdress. It's possible for somebody who doesn't identify as the opposite gender to like wearing their clothes. It's just clothes in the end. While some of it is made specifically for one sex's 'features', some of it really isn't. It's just societal. Like dresses.
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                        Old February 13th, 2012 (8:05 AM).
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                        I'm not personally offended by drag shows and the like, but they aren't something I'm interested in either. Camp really isn't my thing. I get that there's a whole satire element to it and that's what people who like it see and appreciate, but to me it's hard to see past the superficial stereotypes. Since even I have trouble with that I can see why and how a person who's not at all familiar with the gay or trans community would confuse the two. It is a bit of a subtle difference.

                        It's like if you don't know much about religion and think that Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists are basically the same thing, or if you confusing atheists and agnostics, or vegans and vegetarians, etc. etc. People in the know have no trouble, but everyone else struggles to understand.

                        As for cross dressing in general... well, if you're gay or otherwise not heterosexual you're already breaking some gender stereotypes so I'm sure there's less hesitation to break others if you feel so inclined. I bet there's just a curiosity element, too, for anyone.
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                          Wow. Alot of interesting answers! I am not transgender nor am I interested in cross-dressing drag in recreational or sexual reasons. So, I thought I would ask some pointed questions from varying perspectives to get a bit of insight from those who actually are transgender or crossdress or sexually aroused by cross dressing. I actually overlooked the sexual attraction element to cross dressing, simply because I don't have any myself, haha. But, I think it's a lot of generalizations, but that is the only way you can really you can ask these questions. But I can see how it all depends on the situation, and the reaction may be mixed or indifferent, rather than positive or negative. Thanks for the interesting responses!
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                          Old February 13th, 2012 (10:33 AM).
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                          I don't mean to take away from the trans party going on over here :P but I have some more good gay marriage legalization news to share and I'm particularly excited since it's my home state:

                          NJ Senate OKs gay marriage bill in milestone vote

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                          Christie, a Republican, announced his veto intentions last month. He has said he does not believe marriage laws should be changed but does support New Jersey's civil union law, which grants gay couples the legal protections of marriage.
                          Christie said he wants to put a change in the definition of marriage to a public vote.
                          But gay rights groups oppose a referendum. They see gay marriage as a civil rights matter and argue that it should not be up to the masses to protect the rights of a minority group. They also believe that a nasty campaign from social conservatives could erode the narrow majority of support that public polls show gay marriage has in New Jersey.
                          I really hope this does get through. Christie is a terrible man honestly, lol, and I hope that he has no say in this whatsoever tbh. Meanwhile on an unrelated note he's trying to take away a college option in South Jersey alongside attempting to stop gay marriage, so he's just a monstrous man all around and I can't wait to be able to vote him out.

                          But yes getting closer :3
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                              Wow. Alot of interesting answers! I am not transgender nor am I interested in cross-dressing drag in recreational or sexual reasons. So, I thought I would ask some pointed questions from varying perspectives to get a bit of insight from those who actually are transgender or crossdress or sexually aroused by cross dressing. I actually overlooked the sexual attraction element to cross dressing, simply because I don't have any myself, haha. But, I think it's a lot of generalizations, but that is the only way you can really you can ask these questions. But I can see how it all depends on the situation, and the reaction may be mixed or indifferent, rather than positive or negative. Thanks for the interesting responses!
                              Clothes are really not even a gender thing in my opinion and I don't see the big deal. I'm trans + lesbian and basically I wear tops made for guys (because girl shirts always suck big time and I love graphic tees) and pants/skirts/dresses made for girls. I think most transgender people (transitioners; not umbrella term) are uhhhh more "conventional" (trans women try to act more feminine than they are and trans men, more masculine) or something but I feel that's a combination of peer pressure and self-pressure, i.e. overcompensating or "validating" their own transition.
                              Uhhh I kinda forgot what my point was here. xD Well anyway I think the idea of some clothes being feminine or masculine, or anyone needing to wear clothes of the matching gender, is social construct and should be ignored if you wish to ignore it. I don't think anyone can make a genuine argument that there's anything wrong with it.
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                                You bring up a really interesting question Ty.. and all I can say is that personally I find I can find a guy more attractive when he wears something that accentuates his male figure. Like a fitted suit that is tailored to fit his wide shoulders and all that. So I'm curious to ask if people who find a sort of sexual attraction thing to cossdressing.. is it because a guy in a dress accentuates his femininity? Would you say some people find that sort of attractiveness in the ambiguity of gender? (Some people like girly guys so they think it's more attractive to see them in something frilly.. or the same with tomgirls?) I dunno.. I can only really answer for myself but I'm curious as to what other people are attracted to in regards to that.
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                                  You bring up a really interesting question Ty.. and all I can say is that personally I find I can find a guy more attractive when he wears something that accentuates his male figure. Like a fitted suit that is tailored to fit his wide shoulders and all that. So I'm curious to ask if people who find a sort of sexual attraction thing to cossdressing.. is it because a guy in a dress accentuates his femininity? Would you say some people find that sort of attractiveness in the ambiguity of gender? (Some people like girly guys so they think it's more attractive to see them in something frilly.. or the same with tomgirls?) I dunno.. I can only really answer for myself but I'm curious as to what other people are attracted to in regards to that.
                                  I'm not entirely sure as to why this is, but I think I said once before that I think women are generally more attractive, but lack certain equipment that makes guys come out on top for me.

                                  Make a guy look like a girl, and you've got the perfect combination. For me anyway.
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                                  Old February 13th, 2012 (5:19 PM). Edited February 14th, 2012 by TwiDragon.
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                                    Originally Posted by Kura View Post
                                    You bring up a really interesting question Ty.. and all I can say is that personally I find I can find a guy more attractive when he wears something that accentuates his male figure. Like a fitted suit that is tailored to fit his wide shoulders and all that. So I'm curious to ask if people who find a sort of sexual attraction thing to crossdressing.. is it because a guy in a dress accentuates his femininity? Would you say some people find that sort of attractiveness in the ambiguity of gender? (Some people like girly guys so they think it's more attractive to see them in something frilly.. or the same with tomgirls?) I dunno.. I can only really answer for myself but I'm curious as to what other people are attracted to in regards to that.
                                    For me, I am sexually attracted towards crossdressers. I also have the same attraction towards tomboys. However, this isn't the limits to what I'm sexually attracted too. Its hard for me to give a list of examples of what I think is hot and what I don't think isn't. I would need to see an image of the person in order to say yay or nay.
                                    Please note though that this isn't the only reason why I'm interested in crossdressing. While I do think it looks more sexually appealing, I don't have that as the only option. I've always liked femininity (but hid it away inside myself for the past decade), I've always thought girls clothing is more attractive looking than guys, and a lot of girls clothing is more comfortable to me. (Such as skirts for example).

                                    I don't know how else I could really respond to this actually, so I'm responding to my best. Its always hard to explain how I sexually feel towards someone.

                                    EDIT: A few things.
                                    First off, I think this is my favorite thread in the site. :3 I like being open about my sexuality <3
                                    Second off, http://www.timschraeder.com/2010/06/30/a-different-kind-of-demonstration-at-gay-pride/ I got this from serebii
                                    Third off, Is there any words for transgendered people that you guys feel as insulting? A lot of terms feel to have negative feeling to them for me such as tranny, shemale, and even transvestite. Does anyone prefer the other terms, or do they not care?
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