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I think it should be asked but not during the admission process. The information there should be reserved for information that's relevant to the decision of whether or not to admit a student.

I feel like my school would be more open to LGBT students if they knew how many of them came here, tbh. And since my school needs all the pushing it can get in the LGBT rights department...yeahh.
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    As it obviously shouldn't play a role in the admission itself, it's a bad place for such a question to be put. Sure, the purpose of it is understandable, but it's best to just ask that anywhere but on an application form. Relevancy is key there, and doing it this way will likely influence the considerations of some individuals on whom will be accepted, and whom won't be. If the schools really want to keep track of stuff like that, they should do it with yearly surveys, not through this kind of decisive paperwork.
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    No, I don't think so. No matter who you are and how liberal you might be, you'll be biased upon seeing that answer. Good or bad, still, it's a biased view on the person.
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      New break. This should be something fun to debate. My home state of California is deciding whether public universities should ask students to include their orientation on their paperwork when they apply for admission. Ostensibly it's to make sure there are enough support services for LGBT students on the campuses, but some say it's wading into some murky privacy territory.

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      So would you want your prospective school to ask this? Would you answer it?

      I-I wouldn't mind answering, cause I don't mind who knows... it's not that big of a deal for me to be open about it...

      But for the sake of others, I feel that as long as the information remains strictly confidential that it could be fine. It's still really odd to have that field on official paperwork though... it just doesn't seem at all necessary. It's personal information that isn't on a need-to-know basis.. :
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      Ah, I didn't read the post closely enough to realize that it was part of the application. If there's any chance that it could influence whether or not a person is accepted, then no.
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        If there's any chance that it could influence whether or not a person is accepted, then no.
        Oh, this too.

        It should definitely not happen if that becomes the case... and if it does, I'd leave the field blank.
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        Old March 31st, 2012 (5:09 PM).
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          I'm actually not all that fussed about them asking for sexual orientation on a college application. I can't imagine that they'd use it as grounds not to admit somebody to the university (since lets face it, college is where gay people really start to get accepted for who they are, rather than in high school) so it's just another box to tick, really. If it's really for what they say it's for - ascertaining that there are adequate support services - then putting it on the college application is really just saving paper. Why ask the question after when you can do it all at once?
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          And I think it's clever of them, honestly. At least it is if their really asking to be sure that the campus will have the right support system. Though I can see a lot of people answering untruthfully if they get nervous.
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          Hey welcome back TwiDragon :)

          I'm actually not all that fussed about them asking for sexual orientation on a college application. I can't imagine that they'd use it as grounds not to admit somebody to the university (since lets face it, college is where gay people really start to get accepted for who they are, rather than in high school) so it's just another box to tick, really. If it's really for what they say it's for - ascertaining that there are adequate support services - then putting it on the college application is really just saving paper. Why ask the question after when you can do it all at once?
          There are colleges that don't allow faculty or students to be gay and go there.
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            Exactly, and the discrimination could eventually end up not being badly-intended but still present. Think of schools taking up certain quotas, like on the maximum number of gay students they'll take in as to make sure their facilities aren't put under too much strain, instead of them just expanding on the facilities at hand.
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            Yeahhhh okay it's a bad idea then. Lets not do that one.

            I seriously had no idea what Toujours said was even legal :/
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            @Andy: They are legal if they're private universities, I believe.

            And I didn't mean to imply that this whole thing about asking for information had actually taken place. It hasn't (as far as I know), just that it's being considered because there is a law in place in California that would allow them to do it if they choose to, though it would all be voluntary.

            Personally, I don't like the idea of the information being attached to a person's name. Informal polls are good enough, I think. Plus, if you're in high school and applying for school you might not realize that it's pretty easy for your parents to review your applications and if you aren't out to your parents but plan to be if you go to college then you might inadvertently out yourself to your family.
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            Courtesy of the lovely Toujours, here is a follow-up article to "I'm Christian, Unless You're Gay," which was posted here a few months back. It's powerful stuff.
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            Courtesy of the lovely Toujours, here is a follow-up article to "I'm Christian, Unless You're Gay," which was posted here a few months back. It's powerful stuff.
            For anyone who doesn't want to read the whole thing, it's the guy who wrote the original article sharing an email he got in which a mother tells how her son was assigned to read the article for school and write a response to it. The mother got all upset at this until her son came out to her via his response and she had a revelation about how hateful she was and has since changed her ways.

            It seems kinda too perfect to believe. Maybe I'm just too cynical to be moved by it, but I do still hope it's genuine and that in some small town in America there are a bunch of people passing this story around and thinking for a change.
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            I don't really think it's too perfect. And if it isn't true, I don't know that it even matters. Perception is everything, and if people read that story and are moved by its message and believe that it's true, then it is. The story remains just as strong whether it's real or fabrication... until somebody questions whether it's real or fabrication
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            y u no post here people?

            I have a question to get things going again... How do you feel about a fluid sexuality? Do you think it's possible for someone's sexuality to change, or even be completely fluid? (Meaning that it changes very frequently.)

            Also, just for fun: What do you think about people who fall in love with things other than humans? Is it real love? Should they be allowed to marry it?
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            How do you feel about a fluid sexuality? Do you think it's possible for someone's sexuality to change, or even be completely fluid?
            Sexuality is a fluid thing. I don't believe it "changes" like you can't turn people gay etc. but.. I understand what I mean!


            Also I don't know if you guys have heard about how the Miss Universe Pageant is allowing transgender contestants!
            It's thanks to Jenna Talackova who was disqualified when she was found to have been born as the incorrect sex and had surgery to correct her body. She wouldn't stand for that and a legal fight ensued and they're changing the rules to allow transgendered women to enter. Is this good or is this good?
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            I have a question to get things going again... How do you feel about a fluid sexuality? Do you think it's possible for someone's sexuality to change, or even be completely fluid? (Meaning that it changes very frequently.)

            Also, just for fun: What do you think about people who fall in love with things other than humans? Is it real love? Should they be allowed to marry it?
            I don't think sexuality can be fluid, I believe that if one year you fancy men and the next you fancy women you are bi, basically. However people often label themselves with the sex they are dating, especially if when in a relationship they don't look at others sexually anymore.

            I think when people fall in love with objects/animals its confusing the different kinds of love. Love can mean many things and I think with some people the distinctions blur a bit - I love chocolate but I don't want to marry it, I love animals but I don't do that either o_o. Sometimes I think many people resort to this due to loneliness, or not knowing how to deal with other people :/ I haven't met anyone who loves an non-person mind.
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            Also I don't know if you guys have heard about how the Miss Universe Pageant is allowing transgender contestants!
            It's thanks to Jenna Talackova who was disqualified when she was found to have been born as the incorrect sex and had surgery to correct her body. She wouldn't stand for that and a legal fight ensued and they're changing the rules to allow transgendered women to enter. Is this good or is this good?
            I wish that talking hairpiece Donald Trump had been okay with this just because he was okay with this and not because he feared getting a lot of bad publicity. But hey, the fact that he caved means that the public cares enough to give him crap over doing something stupid like banning trans contestants.

            Of course the topic of beauty pageants opens a whole other discussion on gender entirely.
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            I don't think sexuality can be fluid, I believe that if one year you fancy men and the next you fancy women you are bi, basically. However people often label themselves with the sex they are dating, especially if when in a relationship they don't look at others sexually anymore.
            What if the men you fancied that year were all very feminine and most of the time you are attracted to women? Just trying to point out that there's a lot of variables that go into attraction so unless you want to claim that "everyone is at least a little bi" (which I think is a statement with separate issues) I would say you're oversimplifying sexuality. I totally think it's possible for someone's sexuality to change. Not in the "today I think I'm going to be gay" kind of way, but gradually and probably not consciously.

            I don't mean this as an attack on you. I'm just trying to get at why I feel the way I do.
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            What if the men you fancied that year were all very feminine and most of the time you are attracted to women? Just trying to point out that there's a lot of variables that go into attraction so unless you want to claim that "everyone is at least a little bi" (which I think is a statement with separate issues) I would say you're oversimplifying sexuality. I totally think it's possible for someone's sexuality to change. Not in the "today I think I'm going to be gay" kind of way, but gradually and probably not consciously.

            I don't mean this as an attack on you. I'm just trying to get at why I feel the way I do.
            If you're attracted to feminine men as well as women you are still bisexual though, unless you're not finding them sexually attractive - just noticing good looking feminine men more. With love and things coming in it gets all confusing and yes there are lots of variations on it.

            I put sexuality down to sexual attraction though, which I would say is not fluid, just has a lot of different grays along the scale. I think people change what they identify as simply because we're used to such rigid terminology, rather than them actually changing themselves.
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              Well, I find the topic of falling in love with a non-human to be somewhat unusual, but I guess love is love. The thing about marrying something that cannot give consent however is a touchy subject, but at the same time, if somebody were to marry his or her cat, it's not like the cat would even know about it nor give a single damn about it.

              There's a person I sometimes talk to on the internet who's a zoophile, and really, aside from the fact he really, really loves cats, if you get my drift, he's a perfectly normal guy and great to talk to. What I can tell from what he says is that the love is just as with any other form of sexuality, whether it be homosexuality, bisexuality, or pansexuality, love is love, and there's no need to keep "real" love inherently anthropocentric as the contrary is already known to be possible.

              Just an FYI, while he may absolutely love cats, he does not have "giggety time" with them, because that would likely be bad for both the cat and his criminal record.

              As for the fluid sexuality thing, I'd say, it can be fluid, but it's hard to say such changes occur within the course of a few days. I still can't randomly wake up in the morning and say to myself: "I am going to like boobs today!" while actually being genuine about it.
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              As for the question of attraction to other objects or animals, I think just like any love that's their business and nobody else really has a right to an "opinion" on it. But as for marriage.. well in the case of inanimate objects I do think it's rather pointless and would be hell to manage in a legal sense, so I would say no to that merely for logistical reasons.. and as for animals, I'd be against marriage (and sex) simply because there is no definite way to tell whether an animal would consent to such things. The onl law that should apply to love should deal with consent, and there's just no way to get it.
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              What do you think about people who fall in love with things other than humans? Is it real love? Should they be allowed to marry it?
              Also, I must add, this Pygmalion guy from Greek mythology fell in love with a statue.
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