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Old April 11th, 2012 (9:03 AM).
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If you're attracted to feminine men as well as women you are still bisexual though, unless you're not finding them sexually attractive - just noticing good looking feminine men more. With love and things coming in it gets all confusing and yes there are lots of variations on it.

I put sexuality down to sexual attraction though, which I would say is not fluid, just has a lot of different grays along the scale. I think people change what they identify as simply because we're used to such rigid terminology, rather than them actually changing themselves.
It's the rigid terminology you're using in describing my hypothetical-someone as bisexual which is getting me confused. I suppose that, technically, if you found yourself attracted to someone who was male and someone who was female that you would be bisexual, but I think that kind of negates the specifics of a person's attraction. To me, an attraction to women and also to strictly feminine men isn't the same thing as an attraction to men and women.

Okay, I'll stop saying "someone" 'cuz I'm mostly just using myself as an example. I'm attracted to feminine guys, guys who crossdress, etc., but not to more masculine men (mostly - if I get to know someone that can affect how I feel). At the same time I'm generally attracted to women regardless of how feminine or masculine they are, and to people who are androgynous. I don't think 'bisexual' really captures my sexuality and for someone to call me that would feel a bit, I dunno... disrespectful? Can't think of the right word at the moment.
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    It's the rigid terminology you're using in describing my hypothetical-someone as bisexual which is getting me confused. I suppose that, technically, if you found yourself attracted to someone who was male and someone who was female that you would be bisexual, but I think that kind of negates the specifics of a person's attraction. To me, an attraction to women and also to strictly feminine men isn't the same thing as an attraction to men and women.

    Okay, I'll stop saying "someone" 'cuz I'm mostly just using myself as an example. I'm attracted to feminine guys, guys who crossdress, etc., but not to more masculine men (mostly - if I get to know someone that can affect how I feel). At the same time I'm generally attracted to women regardless of how feminine or masculine they are, and to people who are androgynous. I don't think 'bisexual' really captures my sexuality and for someone to call me that would feel a bit, I dunno... disrespectful? Can't think of the right word at the moment.
    Overgeneralised? Is that the word you were looking for?
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    It's the rigid terminology you're using in describing my hypothetical-someone as bisexual which is getting me confused. I suppose that, technically, if you found yourself attracted to someone who was male and someone who was female that you would be bisexual, but I think that kind of negates the specifics of a person's attraction. To me, an attraction to women and also to strictly feminine men isn't the same thing as an attraction to men and women.

    Okay, I'll stop saying "someone" 'cuz I'm mostly just using myself as an example. I'm attracted to feminine guys, guys who crossdress, etc., but not to more masculine men (mostly - if I get to know someone that can affect how I feel). At the same time I'm generally attracted to women regardless of how feminine or masculine they are, and to people who are androgynous. I don't think 'bisexual' really captures my sexuality and for someone to call me that would feel a bit, I dunno... disrespectful? Can't think of the right word at the moment.
    I'd say that's bisexual and you just have your preferences inside of that spectrum. xD Kind of like how heterosexuals can prefer masculine or feminine as well, but they're still just "heterosexual". There's not always a name for the certain kinks / preferences. Kinda like how I'm more into feminine guys, and girls that are more boyish, but I can also go based on personality with girls because I'm primarily more into them in general. There's no name for that, it's just my prefs. And if there is a name, that's going too far. XD;
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    I asked because I don't think there really is anything else you can use to describe me other than fluid. Sometimes I'm straight, sometimes I'm gay. It just changes, usually over the course of a few months.

    Example(Using Kinsey Scale):
    (0 Before this point.) June(1) - July(6) - August(6) - September(5) - October(3) - November(3) - December(1) - January(2) - February(4) - March(6) - April(2)

    That's more or less how it went for me this last year. Although, throughout this entire thing, I've always liked trans girls more than guys or girls, this is just the race for 2nd place. lol

    I've noticed that I feel the most comfortable when I'm around a 4-5, and I wish I could just pick either straight, bi, or gay and have it actually be true (and I have been until now, because I didn't know what else to call myself) but in reality, in a couple months it won't be.
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    Old April 11th, 2012 (2:25 PM).
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    I asked because I don't think there really is anything else you can use to describe me other than fluid. Sometimes I'm straight, sometimes I'm gay. It just changes, usually over the course of a few months.

    Example(Using Kinsey Scale):
    (0 Before this point.) June(1) - July(6) - August(6) - September(5) - October(3) - November(3) - December(1) - January(2) - February(4) - March(6) - April(2)

    That's more or less how it went for me this last year. Although, throughout this entire thing, I've always liked trans girls more than guys or girls, this is just the race for 2nd place. lol

    I've noticed that I feel the most comfortable when I'm around a 4-5, and I wish I could just pick either straight, bi, or gay and have it actually be true (and I have been until now, because I didn't know what else to call myself) but in reality, in a couple months it won't be.
    Well I think that it shouldn't really matter what you call yourself and instead not focus on any labeling. It it does really shift all the time with you, then its best not to associate yourself with "straight" or "gay" or even "bi," if you feel that last one doesn't sit well with you.

    It also seems you're gayest in the Fall and Spring. You're an Equinox Queer!

    I know you want to, but I suggest you don't just put a label on it. Would you rather label yourself as "gay" just have a girl catch your eye and vice versa or would you rather just let it be and like who you like, lady or gentleman? (Or lady who wants to be a gentleman, etc.)

    Labels are very trivial in the grand scheme of things. They could mean to anything to anyone.
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    Could somebody explain to me the Kinsey Scale? The first time I heard of it was on Revenge last week when one of the characters described himself as "about a 3 on the Kinsey Scale" shortly before having sex with another man, and now we're using it here lol. Is it just a straightforward 'on a scale of 1-6 this is how homosexual you are' or is it more intricate than that?
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    0 = 100% Straight
    6 = 100% Gay
    1-5 = Varying degrees of bisexuality.
    a 1 or 5 could also be considered just straight or gay, as you probably wouldn't find the same sex attractive enough to actually date, if you're that close to being straight (or vice versa for being gay). A 2 or 4 would be bisexual, with a preference one way or the other... and 3 would mean you find both genders completely equally attractive.

    (We've used it in this thread like... dozens of times, how did you never see it? lol)
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    Wait seriously? When have we used it in this thread before? I read ALL the posts..... idk, the thread's been going for nearly a year. Maybe I've forgotten, my memory isn't what it once was *shakes cane*

    I actually like that. It's good to have a number value to attach to it. I can now say that I'm a big ol' 6.

    As to your original question about fluid sexuality; I read a thing once (I do believe I've mentioned this before) that said that generally female sexuality is more fluid while males remain more stagnant. So you could be some kind of special, QK! As for me, my sexuality is so definite that cave men have carved it into a stone tablet somewhere (the diagram is both pornographic and hilarious ).
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    "Being gay isn't a choice!" "Well for guys it's not."

    You know what's funny? Both me and my friend Jordan are both very set in our sexuality (Me homosexual and he heterosexual.) But for some cosmic reason, I'm the ladies man and he's the guy every gay guy wants.

    wat.

    Not even kidding. I'm pretty flirtatious in the sense where I'm charismatically charming and "fake hit-on" people; predominantly girls. I have so many lady aquantices it's ridiculous, and people have told me that girls flirt with me all the time because of this. Jordan's admirers are always women who are too shy to tell him, or his friends who are gay. The girl he likes currently even put him in a position of "gay best friend" during the time she was chasing after another guy.

    Not related but pretty funny; although Jordan doesn't think as much. XD;
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    Old April 11th, 2012 (10:43 PM).
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    Hahahaha that's hilarious, though also quite sad if you take into account the missed opportunities for you both. Are you one of the gay guys who wants him?
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    I asked because I don't think there really is anything else you can use to describe me other than fluid. Sometimes I'm straight, sometimes I'm gay. It just changes, usually over the course of a few months.

    Example(Using Kinsey Scale):
    (0 Before this point.) June(1) - July(6) - August(6) - September(5) - October(3) - November(3) - December(1) - January(2) - February(4) - March(6) - April(2)

    That's more or less how it went for me this last year. Although, throughout this entire thing, I've always liked trans girls more than guys or girls, this is just the race for 2nd place. lol

    I've noticed that I feel the most comfortable when I'm around a 4-5, and I wish I could just pick either straight, bi, or gay and have it actually be true (and I have been until now, because I didn't know what else to call myself) but in reality, in a couple months it won't be.
    I would still describe this as Bi, in a 'you like peepees and front bottoms occasionally' kind of way. Finding someone attractive and being sexually attracted to them can be different and separate things, but as someone previously said if you don't like labels/find it confusing to give yourself one then by all means don't.

    Baha, tbh you should just be supersexual That sounds like a good term.

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    "Being gay isn't a choice!" "Well for guys it's not."

    You know what's funny? Both me and my friend Jordan are both very set in our sexuality (Me homosexual and he heterosexual.) But for some cosmic reason, I'm the ladies man and he's the guy every gay guy wants.

    wat.

    Not even kidding. I'm pretty flirtatious in the sense where I'm charismatically charming and "fake hit-on" people; predominantly girls. I have so many lady aquantices it's ridiculous, and people have told me that girls flirt with me all the time because of this. Jordan's admirers are always women who are too shy to tell him, or his friends who are gay. The girl he likes currently even put him in a position of "gay best friend" during the time she was chasing after another guy.

    Not related but pretty funny; although Jordan doesn't think as much. XD;
    I know so many heterosexual people like this >< Also I happen to dance with my best (female) friend rather flirticiously, and sometimes we act like a married couple - her boyfriends worry a bit XD (One of her boyfriends even fancied me, awkward).
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    It also seems you're gayest in the Fall and Spring. You're an Equinox Queer!
    Equinox queer: a person who is gayer during the spring and autumn, called the equeernox or queerquinox, and straighter during the summer and winter, called the solstraightce or straightstice.

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    Don't know if anyone has seen this pop up online in the last hour or so, "Christian group books anti-gay ads to appear on buses".

    Luckily I just heard the Major of London is intervening and stopping the advertisement, so I'll link to that article once it appears on the Guardian's website.





    For the people that believe that Conservative MPs are so antigay, Boris Johnson has stopped the advert.

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    Wow, all the comments on the site are supporting gays. That's kind of amazing.
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      What I'm surprised about is that the bus company decided to actually let them book those advertisements. Surely, they can't be so dumb that they don't know this is incredibly bad for their business?
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      What I'm surprised about is that the bus company decided to actually let them book those advertisements. Surely, they can't be so dumb that they don't know this is incredibly bad for their business?
      They probably needed the money :/ The TFL commented on twitter that 'we do not believe these ads reflect TflL's commitment to a tolerant and inclusive London' <- doesn't really make much sense to me.


      I am, however, impressed with the speed it was stopped.
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        They probably needed the money :/ The TFL commented on twitter that 'we do not believe these ads reflect TflL's commitment to a tolerant and inclusive London' <- doesn't really make much sense to me.


        I am, however, impressed with the speed it was stopped.
        Probably doesn't much help when the money you get from putting the advertisements up there has to go directly to restoring whatever lost revenue there will be from putting those hateful advertisements on their buses in the first place.
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        It seems like they felt emboldened by those atheist advertisements that buses carried (or still carry?) and I feel a backlash might come from people with those same thoughts and that this could get dragged into a nasty fight like that. Or maybe that's just my American perspective on these kinds of things. People might be smarter/more civil in London.
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        Hahahaha that's hilarious, though also quite sad if you take into account the missed opportunities for you both. Are you one of the gay guys who wants him? :P
        Honestly, I have thought about it, but it comes up dry. I like him better as a friend and it'd be kinda of weird if we started up romantically.

        And he has admitted thinking about me, but he very much sees himself and feels straight, so there's that.
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        Am I the only person who finds those ads hilarious? Did y'all leave your senses of humour at home today?

        EX-GAY, POST-GAY AND PROUD. GET OVER IT!


        Because like... nobody with a brain would actually believe that. It is wide and common knowledge that ex-gay programs never work. I feel like they should have let those ads stay on the buses just to function as satire lmao. Like, making fun of times past when people actually did believe in that nonsense.

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        And he has admitted thinking about me, but he very much sees himself and feels straight, so there's that.
        He's thought about a romantic relationship with you, but he's straight?
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        Well, I think when you have a close friend who's gay, it's just naturally going to be on your mind, whether you want it to or not. For most people anyway.
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        Really? Is that really a thing? I mean, I guess it's something that might occur to you or cross your mind in some hypothetical way, but Kiyoshi made it sound like his was having actual romantic thoughts about him. Which is fantastic (or would be if Kiyoshi were also interested lol), but not exactly what you'd expect of a straight guy.
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          Am I the only person who finds those ads hilarious? Did y'all leave your senses of humour at home today?

          EX-GAY, POST-GAY AND PROUD. GET OVER IT!


          Because like... nobody with a brain would actually believe that. It is wide and common knowledge that ex-gay programs never work. I feel like they should have let those ads stay on the buses just to function as satire lmao. Like, making fun of times past when people actually did believe in that nonsense
          I certainly find it somewhat hilarious, in a really really sad "There goes my faith in humanity" kind of way.
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          Well, I think when you have a close friend who's gay, it's just naturally going to be on your mind, whether you want it to or not. For most people anyway.
          Or maybe he's just curious. Or maybe he's heterosexual and biromantic. We shouldn't assume.
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          Really? Is that really a thing? I mean, I guess it's something that might occur to you or cross your mind in some hypothetical way, but Kiyoshi made it sound like his was having actual romantic thoughts about him. Which is fantastic (or would be if Kiyoshi were also interested lol), but not exactly what you'd expect of a straight guy.
          Well, I don't think it's really a thing... I just meant that it's most likely crossed his mind. lol
           
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