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Old August 28th, 2012 (8:19 AM).
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    I want to share with the community a project a friend and I have been working on over the past year. We came up with a way to create a ‘Cube’ out of the Pokemon TCG. For those unaware, Cube is a concept that comes from the card game Magic: the Gathering. Cube is a group of cards that are put together for players to draft and play with. This attempts to simulate the process that happens at some pre-releases (opening packs and building decks from those packs), but instead with some of the most powerful cards printed throughout the entire game. Have you ever wanted to play Super Energy Removal to remove Energy from your opponent’s Reshiram? Play Professor Oak and then attach Expert Belt to Machamp Prime?

    The Cube is made up of 400 different cards from the history of the Pokemon TCG. Only one of each card is included, creating a diverse and fun experience. Some other details about the Cube.
    1. Draft in a face up style
    2. Each Player builds and plays with a 50 card deck (This includes energy)
    3. Basic Energy are provided after the draft to supplement your deck
    4. Each game will be played with 5 prizes (Instead of 4 in regular draft or 6 in constructed)
    5. Each game session between players will be best 2 out of 3 (Allows people to play more games)
    6. Dice will be used in place of Coins. Heads=Evens / Tails=Odds
    7. Pokémon with Names, Dark, Light or other variations would be considered as normal
    8. Certain Pokemon lines are supported. For example, there are 8 Horsea, 6 Sedra, and 4 Kingdra in the Cube. This is to make sure each player has enough chances to draft the Pokemon he/she needs for a deck.
    Cube has been a blast to build and play. It has been a great way for me (and others) to keep playing the Pokemon TCG without having to go to events or keep up with the most current decks. The Pokecube list has been pretty refined, but we are welcome to discussion and suggestions for cards to include. More information about the Cube can be found at: pokecube.com/2012/05/02what-exactly-is-a-pokecube-3/
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    Old August 28th, 2012 (8:52 AM).
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    "Pokemon with Names, Dark, Light, or other variations would be considered as normal"

    What do you mean by this? That you're treating them as just the Pokemon they are without the variation in their name? That's a bit silly, in my opinion, seeing as there are entire groups of trainers and Pokemon that are worthless in a cube if they aren't allowed their special name variation, as some of the best trainers affect only Pokemon with a certain name variation, and some of the best PokePowers/PokeBodies do the same.
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    Old August 28th, 2012 (9:04 AM).
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      "Pokemon with Names, Dark, Light, or other variations would be considered as normal"

      What do you mean by this? That you're treating them as just the Pokemon they are without the variation in their name? That's a bit silly, in my opinion, seeing as there are entire groups of trainers and Pokemon that are worthless in a cube if they aren't allowed their special name variation, as some of the best trainers affect only Pokemon with a certain name variation, and some of the best PokePowers/PokeBodies do the same.
      Sorry about it, my statement was a bit vague. The Pokemon currently in the Cube that this effects:
      Misty's Horsea
      Brock's Vulpix
      Dark Gengar
      Team Magma's Houndour

      All benefits and other effects still matter for these Pokemon, except for evolution restrictions. This is mainly what I meant. Normally, Misty's Horsea can only evolve into a Misty's Seadra or Dark Gengar can only evolve from a Dark Haunter. As far as the Cube is concerned, these Pokemon are treated as 'normal', meaning there is no evolution restriction. For example, Dark Gengar can evolve from any Haunter in the Cube and Misty's Horsea can evolve into any Seadra.
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        I've played the cube for YGO before and it was pretty awesome. It would be cool to have a cube list for the Pokemon TCG too but I'm not sure how to go about standardizing a list.
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          I've played the cube for YGO before and it was pretty awesome. It would be cool to have a cube list for the Pokemon TCG too but I'm not sure how to go about standardizing a list.

          We have a list! We have been working on the Cube for about a year and documented some of the progress at pokecube.com.
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            Well if you'd like, feel free to bring the list over and the members here might have suggestions to make.
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            Old September 11th, 2012 (8:31 AM). Edited September 13th, 2012 by PokeCuber.
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              Well if you'd like, feel free to bring the list over and the members here might have suggestions to make.
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              Eevee Family
              Eevee
              Jungle
              Team Rocket
              Wizards Black Star Promos
              Neo Discovery
              Aquapolis
              Skyridge
              EX Sandstorm
              EX Unseen Forces
              EX Delta Species
              EX Delta Species
              POP Series 3
              Majestic Dawn
              Majestic Dawn
              Rising Rivals
              Undaunted
              Call of Legends
              Dark Explorers
              Dark Explorers
              Jolteon
              Call of Legends
              Rising Rivals
              Majestic Dawn
              Flareon
              Undaunted
              Rising Rival
              Majestic Dawn
              Umbreon
              Call of Legends
              Dark Explorers
              Dark Explorers
              Espeon
              Undaunted
              Call of Legends
              Majestic Dawn
              Leafeon
              Undaunted
              Rising Rivals
              Majestic Dawn
              Vaporeon
              Majestic Dawn
              Dark Explorers
              Glaceon
              Majestic Dawn
              Electric
              Mareep
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Platinum
              Secret Wonders
              EX Team Rocket Returns
              Expedition
              Neo Destiny
              Neo Discovery
              Neo Genesis
              Flaaffy
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Secret Wonders
              EX Unseen Forces
              EX Dragon
              Neo Revelation
              Platinum
              Ampharos
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Call of Legends
              Platinum
              Secret Wonders
              Pikachu
              Stormfront
              Majestic Dawn
              EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua
              POP Series 4
              Supreme Victors
              EX FireRed & LeafGreen
              Raichu
              Undaunted
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Supreme Victors
              Stormfront
              Fighting
              Riolu
              Diamond & Pearl
              Legends Awakened
              Call of Legends
              Platinum
              POP Series 8
              Next Destinies
              Lucario
              Call of Legends
              Unleashed
              Legends Awakened
              Next Destinies
              Machop
              Triumphant
              Stormfront
              Diamond & Pearl
              EX Power Keepers
              EX Legend Maker
              EX Hidden Legends
              Skyridge
              Base Set
              Machoke
              Triumphant
              Diamond & Pearl
              EX Power Keepers
              EX Legend Maker
              Expedition
              Stormfront
              Machamp
              Triumphant
              Triumphant
              Stormfront
              Diamond & Pearl
              Dark
              Murkrow
              Mysterious Treasures
              EX Unseen Forces
              EX Sandstorm
              Neo Genesis
              POP Series 1
              Neo Revelation
              Honchkrow
              Supreme Victors
              Mysterious Treasures
              Undaunted
              Undaunted
              Houndour
              Undaunted
              Call of Legends
              Legends Awakened
              EX Dragon
              Neo Discovery
              EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua
              Houndoom
              Undaunted
              Call of Legends
              Legends Awakened
              Great Encounters
              Water
              Horsea
              Unleashed
              Gym Heroes
              Legends Awakened
              EX Dragon Frontiers
              EX Team Rocket Returns
              EX Dragon
              EX Dragon
              Fossil
              Seadra
              Unleashed
              Legends Awakened
              EX Team Rocket Returns
              EX Dragon
              EX Dragon
              Neo Genesis
              Kingdra
              Unleashed
              Unleashed
              Legends Awakened
              EX Team Rocket Returns
              Magikarp
              Stormfront
              EX Team Rocket Returns
              EX FireRed & LeafGreen
              EX Dragon
              Base Set
              Team Rocket
              Gyarados
              Stormfront
              Mysterious Treasures
              EX Deoxys
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Grass
              Chikorita
              Call of Legends
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Mysterious Treasures
              EX Unseen Forces
              EX Hidden Legends
              Expedition
              Expedition
              Neo Genesis
              Bayleef
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Mysterious Treasures
              EX Unseen Forces
              Expedition
              Neo Genesis
              Neo Genesis
              Meganium
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Call of Legends
              Mysterious Treasures
              Neo Genesis
              Yanma
              Supreme Victors
              Supreme Victors
              Team Rocket Returns
              Unseen Forces
              Neo Discovery
              Legends Awakened
              Yanmega
              Legends Awakened
              Supreme Victors
              Triumphant
              Triumphant
              Psychic
              Gastly
              Triumphant
              Arceus
              Arceus
              Neo Destiny
              EX Legend Maker
              Skyridge
              Expedition
              Fossil
              Haunter
              Fossil
              Triumphant
              Arceus
              Arceus
              Stormfront
              Diamond & Pearl
              Gengar
              Arceus
              Triumphant
              Stormfront
              Neo Destiny
              Slowpoke
              Undaunted
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              EX Delta Species
              EX Unseen Forces
              Team Rocket
              EX Team Magma vs Team Aqua
              Slowking
              Undaunted
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              EX Unseen Forces
              Neo Genesis
              Fire
              Torchic
              Dark Explorers
              EX Emerald
              EX Crystal Guardians
              Platinum
              EX Power Keepers
              EX Holon Phantoms
              EX Dragon
              Great Encounters
              Combusken
              Dark Explorers
              POP Series 4
              EX Emerald
              Platinum
              EX Ruby and Sapphire
              Great Encounters
              Blaziken
              Dark Explorers
              Platinum
              Great Encounters
              EX Ruby and Sapphire
              Vulpix
              HeartGold & SoulSilver
              Platinum
              EX Emerald
              EX Hidden Legends
              Aquapolis
              Gym Heroes
              Ninetales
              Platinum
              Mysterious Treasures
              EX Dragon Frontiers
              EX Emerald
              Steel
              Beldum
              Undaunted
              Supreme Victors
              Legends Awakened
              Legends Awakened
              EX Power Keepers
              EX Hidden Legends
              EX Hidden Legends
              EX Hidden Legends
              Metang
              Undaunted
              EX Hidden Legends
              Supreme Victors
              Legends Awakened
              Legends Awakened
              EX Power Keepers
              Metagross
              Undaunted
              Supreme Victors
              Legends Awakened
              POP Series 1
              Colorless
              Teddiursa
              Call of Legends
              Neo Discovery
              Skyridge
              EX Unseen Forces
              Mysterious Treasures
              Unleashed
              Ursaring
              Unleashed
              Call of Legends
              EX Unseen Forces
              Big Basics
              Psychic
              Azelf Legends Awakened
              Giratina Platinum 9
              Mr. Mime Jungle
              Sableye EX Power Keepers
              Uxie Legends Awakened
              Dark
              Absol Triumphant
              Arceus Arceus AR1
              Sableye Stormfront
              Spiritomb Arceus
              Electric
              Arceus Arceus AR6
              Elekid Neo Genesis
              Pichu Neo Genesis
              Raichu GL Rising Rivals
              Zekrom Black & White
              Grass
              Arceus Arceus AR2
              Shaymin Unleashed
              Shaymin Platinum
              Virizion Emerging Powers
              Virizion Noble Victories
              Fighting
              Aerodactyl GL Rising Rivals
              Terrakion Emerging Powers
              Terrakion Noble Victories
              Throh Black & White
              Tyrogue Neo Discovery
              Fire
              Magby Neo Genesis
              Rapidash 4 Rising Rivals
              Reshiram Black & White
              Victini Noble Victories 14
              Victini Noble Victories 15
              Water
              Kyurem Noble Victories
              Lapras Great Encounters
              Manaphy Unleashed
              Palkia G Platinum
              Relicanth Call of Legends
              Steel
              Cobalion Emerging Powers
              Cobalion Noble Victories
              Jirachi Rising Rivals
              Registeel Legends Awakened
              Skarmory Great Encounters
              Skarmory EX Delta Species
              Skarmory FB Supreme Victors
              Colorless
              Chatot G Supreme Victors
              Cleffa Neo Genesis
              Cleffa Wizards Promo 31
              Lickilicky C Supreme Victors
              Regigigas Legends Awakened
              Smeargle Secret Wonders
              Togekiss C Supreme Victors
              Energy
              Call Energy
              Cyclone Energy
              Double Colorless Energy
              Double Rainbow Energy
              Full Heal Energy
              Heal Energy
              Multi Energy
              Potion Energy
              Prism Energy
              Rainbow Energy
              Recycle Energy
              Rescue Energy
              Scramble Energy
              Upper Energy
              Warp Energy
              Trainers
              Tool
              Amulet Coin
              Cessation Crystal
              Eviolite
              Expert Belt
              Fluff Berry
              Focus Band
              Gold Berry
              Lucky Egg
              Rocky Helmet
              Time Shard
              Stadium
              Ancient Tomb
              Broken Ground Gym
              Cursed Stone
              Full Flame
              Galactic HQ
              Giant Stump
              Lake Boundary
              Mt. Moon
              Resistance Gym
              Rocket’s Minefield Gym
              Skyarrow Bridge
              Team Magma Hideout
              The Rocket’s Training Gym
              Supporter
              Bebe’s Search
              Bianca
              Black Belt
              Buck’s Training
              Castaway
              Celio’s Network
              Cheren
              Cilan
              Copycat
              Cynthia’s Feelings
              Cynthia’s Guidance
              Felicity’s Drawing
              Fisherman
              Holon Adventure
              Holon Lass
              Holon Mentor
              Holon Scientist
              Interviewer’s Questions
              Judge
              Lady Outing
              Lanette’s Net Search
              Looker’s Investigation
              Mr. Briney’s Compassion
              Mr. Stone’s Project
              N
              Pokémon Collector
              Pokémon Fan Club
              Prof. Oak’s Research
              Professor Birch
              Professor Elm’s Training Method
              Professor Juniper
              Professor Oak’s New Theory
              Professor Rowan
              Relic Hunter
              Rival
              Roseanne’s Research
              Sage’s Training
              Seeker
              Scott
              Steven’s Advice
              Twins
              Volkner’s Philosophy
              Other
              Computer Search
              Energy Removal
              Energy Retrieval
              Gust of Wind
              Level Ball
              Life Herb
              Luxury Ball
              Misty’s Wrath
              Pokémon Breeder
              Pokémon Breeder Fields
              Pokémon Catcher
              Pokémon Communication
              Pokémon Trader
              Potion
              Professor Elm
              Professor Oak
              Random Receiver
              Rare Candy
              Revive
              Super Energy Removal
              Switch
              Technical Machine TS-1
              VS Seeker
              Windstorm
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                You should probably add spoiler tags to your list so it doesn't stretch the page so much. But anyway, I'm curious as to how you've gone about creating this list. Could you explain your approach and give reasons as to why you've chosen to include the Pokemon families you did? Basically what process did you utilize to get the list as it currently stands?
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                  You should probably add spoiler tags to your list so it doesn't stretch the page so much. But anyway, I'm curious as to how you've gone about creating this list. Could you explain your approach and give reasons as to why you've chosen to include the Pokemon families you did? Basically what process did you utilize to get the list as it currently stands?
                  One of the biggest influences in the Cube was to have no card appear more than once. For the Pokemon chains this meant they had to have a certain number of printings before they could even be considered. Right now for Stage 2 lines the break down is 8 Basics, 6 Stage 1, and 4 Stage 2. For the Stage 1 lines it is: 6 Basics and 4 Stage 1. We were interested in playing with Infernape, but because there haven't been 8 different Chimchar printed, the line wouldn't fit with the Cube. These numbers were chosen to make sure there was a critical mass of certain Pokemon to make sure players could draft enough to build decks where they hit their evolutions.

                  After we had these numbers, we started looking for lines that shared a relative power level and would be strong/fun enough to play. We have made changes as we have played and tweaked the Cube to what lines are in based on this criteria. For example, Charizard, Blastoise, and Ledian were all in the Cube at one point, but have been changed out for different lines.

                  We also decided to include 1 Stage 2 chain and 1 Stage 1 chain to diversify what Pokemon where included in the Cube as well as give players different options when drafting. We then included some Basic Pokemon in each type that don't evolve to help round out decks and also add some diversity. We also included Eevee because it provided a unique option to evolving, provided six different types the line can branch into.

                  The rest of the spots were filled with powerful Trainers/Supporters/Stadium/Item cards. These cards help the decks flow and work, while also providing some powerful effects. This is also a way to be able to play with some of the most powerful cards from the Pokemon TCG game, putting Super Energy Removal with Reshiram.

                  We ultimately decided to leave ex/EX Pokemon out of the Cube for power balance reasons. Ex would unbalance many of the lines in the Cube, while further skewing the power level between Basics and Stage 1 and 2. Also, many of the Trainer/Supporter cards don't work or work different with Exs, making some cards worse or situational. Ex and EX are treated as different things in the rules, but function as the same. This means that cards that don't work with ex Pokemon work with EX Pokemon, creating further confusion.The power level of some of the new EX Pokemon is so high that they are better than many Stage 2, which would warp the Cube.
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                    Except for the Dark Type which only has stage one guys, haha. While I do agree that EX cards are pretty OP, just as there are OP trainers in the cube there should be some EX cards as well in my opinion. You can treat EX and ex as the same for the purpose of trainer / supporter cards and such. You don't have to include the best of the best EX cards though but I do think a couple should be thrown in. Stuff like Regigigas, Registeel, Groudon, Raikou Giratina, Shaymin are possible ones to throw into the cube. But otherwise I think you guys have done a real good job in constructing this cube.
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