Fourth Generation Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum kicked off the fourth generation of Pokémon. Two years later, fans of the Johto region were treated to a remastered adventure in HeartGold & SoulSilver. Discuss the games, explore the features, share your experiences, and help other players out!

View Poll Results: Who Is The Hardest Gym Leader Of HG/SS?
Falkner 5 1.77%
Bugsy 11 3.89%
Whitney 140 49.47%
Morty 15 5.30%
Chuck 15 5.30%
Jasmine 16 5.65%
Bryce 4 1.41%
Claire 77 27.21%
Other (Kanto) 0 0%
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Old November 7th, 2012 (12:40 PM).
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    I'd definitely say Clair. Whitney is easy if you're swift with her Miltank, I think.

    All of the dragon Pokémon in Claire's gym were way overlevelled, not to mention how much of a hassle it was to remember where trainer rematches could be done. I ended up overpowering her with my Ampharos, which was very lucky to also aid me in beating the Elite Four :). Zaptail was just killer with its Signal Beam, Thunder, Rain Dance, and Iron Tail ;)
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      Whitney didn't give me much of a problem since I used that Machop you get through ingame trade for a drowzee and I just spammed her milktank with low kick, but I think her and Claire are the two gym leaders that are more of a pain to battle even though her kingdra didn't give me a problem since I only used Ampharos and Gyrados.
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        I always had an easy time with Whitney, mostly because at the point I start grinding levels because I know I'll be way under-levelled by Chuck and Jasmine.

        Clair was definately one of the most challenging, but my Dragonair ( Game Corner Dratini + Ice Beam TM + Thunderbolt TM at Game Corner, took forever, but worth it ) swept her whole team.
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          Whitney with his miltank caused me many problems , actually i lost 2 times and in the third, i win with a machop
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            It was Whitney's Milktank for me.I think it took 2-3 tries before i finally won.I didn't really have a fighting type so it was pretty hard.
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              Whitey is a definant with that freaking milktank. Always had trouble with her. I mean no fighting mons that are to good, geodude and onix get ate by roll out and just makes milktank drink more. Ugh.

              Clair always posed an issue for me. But because I got bored and hate dealing with rocket, I played the coin game so much I could afford a dratini. So by time I got to her I had an EV trained dragonite along with my gyrados so she was easy. It is just her kingdra and it's single weakness. Most people can't get a dragon before the gym.

              Easiest for me is always chuck, since I always have an alakazam by that time along with pidgeoto and a magneton
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              Falkner = 4, Whitney = 130.. Just shows how similar experiences people had in HGSS!
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                Not Falkner...too easy with my trusty Quilava!
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                  Claire. Took me forever to defeat her. I finally had to get on GTS and get me a lv 88 dragonite sense I didn't have any other DS games at the time.
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                    I never really had trouble with the gym leaders, but if I had to choose, I would go with Claire or Whitney. Whitney's Miltank was quite a pain and Claire reminds me of Lance, who I hate so much.

                    Whitney's the hardest I would say.
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                      Falkner.....

                      I had a Chikorita and a Zubat only.

                      It was fun.
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                        I said Bugsy because she was the only one to defeat me on the first try, but they were all pretty simple. I swept the floor with Whitney and Claire was not on top of her game when I battled her. Right now I cant beat Lance to save my life!
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                          Claire.

                          Because I trained so much,
                          Whitney was pretty easy for me,even with that rollout and milk drink.
                          the other 7 gym leaders were easy.
                          But since i have typhlosion,I had a hard time on Claire.
                          Kingdra is so f****** annoying.
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                            Claire. Her Kingdra always single-handledly mauled my team. Dragon Pulse made things so much harder.
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                            I'd say Bugsy. There's nowhere decent to train as well as the difficulty of battling his Scyther with its U-Turn.
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                              I don't think any of the gym leaders are particularly hard, but Claire is the only one that's ever given me any trouble.
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                                None of them were hard. I didn't have any issues with the Johto leaders. You know there's 16 leaders in HG/SS. So I'm gonna say Surge, Misty, and Brock.
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                                  I find Morty to be more difficult for me.

                                  Whitney is a close second

                                  Claire third hardest.
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                                    for the hardest i had to beat was diffidently whitney and her miltank
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                                    Clair had to be the most difficult gym leader, for me. I didn't really have anything that was effective against her Pokemon, so the battle was a lot tougher for me than it should have been.

                                    On the flip side, Whitney was probably the easiest Gym Leader for me to beat. Although, that was mostly thanks to having a Butterfree with Sleep Powder (even though her Miltank was holding a Lum Berry).
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                                      Surprisingly enough Morty. I never (really) used video walkthroughs back then, and his Gengar used Hypnosis all the time, and my Dragonite was out, and Gengar also knew Dream Eater, as well as Haunter, but... it wasn't the best outcome in the world for me, but I beat him though sooner or later!
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                                        i know this is like really weird but i found the 6th one pretty hard purely cause of my starter
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                                          It has to be Claire now that Whitney is easy to beat with Rock Smash being easy available. The fact that there are no Dragon types available until you beat Claire just made her Kingdra a total pain.
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                                            My review on the gym leaders:

                                            Falkner: His first Pidgey is puny, and easily one hit KO'd. However his Pidgeotto can be a pain, because it spams roost and its tackle does more damage than you would expect. This battle is tough if you have underleveled pokemon, otherwise it's just lowering the Pidgeotto's defense and then spamming your strongest attack.

                                            Bugsy: Would you call him a Gym Leader, or just a trainer that has pokemon that are about 5 levels higher because the others are all way too weak? Yes, I am talking about harden. It really sucks. I don't see anyone not defeating his Metapod or Kakuna. But then you get scyther. It can be really annoying if it gets sent out early, because it will spam U-turn. Luckily, if you use any fire type he's easily swept.

                                            Whitney: Unfair. She starts off by using her Clefairy, which can lower your HP by quite a bit. The real problem is the Miltank though. Milk drink, rollout and the potions make it deadly. If you didn't train seriously hard, this gym battle will be seriously hard.

                                            Morty: Yes, an average gym leader, finally. After Falkner and Whitney you expect this to be worse. But it's not. He's easier than Whitney. The problem for him is, he uses only the evolution chain of Gastly, as there aren't many ghost types in Johto. Other than that, his Gengar is the only actually good pokemon that he has, making him even easier to deal with. But his Gengar's spamming might be something to worry about. Make sure you have an anti-spam pokemon with you, and you should be fine.

                                            Chuck: He can be easy or hard, depending on how you fight. His Primeape shouldn't be so hard, as you can bring a psychic type and defeat it easily. Then, the overleveled Poliwrath who knows overpowered moves comes. If you have a pokemon with swift or even better aerial ace, this will be no challenge. However, if you don't, then . That's how weak your pokemon becomes, not the pokemon you should use. I swept him with my Typhlosion, but he was level 35 or so, while the others were 25 or so.

                                            Jasmine: I swept her with my Typhlosion. If you picked Cyndaquil or Totidile, she is easily swept. The problem comes with a Meganium. Also, if you started with a Meganium, it would be a good idea to get a Growlithe for this gym, as it will stand a way higher chance of winning. Not much else to say here, except when she uses hyper potions, she can be annoying.

                                            Pryce: Swept with my Typhlosion. Typhlosion is really handy through this part if the game. If you use it, you will easily win. If you use an Arcenine, you will also be likely to win. His seel is a bit annoying, it's not weak to any starter. Same with his Dewgong, except it knows better moves and stuff. The Piloswine is easy to deal with. It is not water, so fire can knock it out pretty easily. Back to Dewgong: A big problem is that it has sleep talk, so sleep doesn't affect it much. Your pokemon will probably be underleveled due the wild pokemon lacking strength. Dewgong can be dealt with more easily by lowering its special defense and spamming special attacks.

                                            Claire: Overpowered. This is a really unfair battle. To start, wild pokemon aren't even level 25 in ice cave. Then you battle a bunch of overpowered trainers that spam. Problem is the Kingdra mostly. Its Dragon pulse can easily deal a lot of damage, but hydro pump is just unfair. Claire has had too much training, and I don't like that. Additionally, it is really hard to get something that's strong against dragon types at this point. Her Dragonairs's shed skin abilities are annoying, since status effects won't have much effect. Why is she even more overpowered? Because of healing. A really unfair leader.

                                            Claire is the hardest leader in my opinion.
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                                              Whitney was horrid. The others were okay.
                                              I borrow the SS from my junior so I was in a rush to complete the game.
                                              I kinda didn't level grind to overlevel my team and her miltank... rollout.
                                              and then she used attract which was A BIG HEADACHE.

                                              So I just spammed smokescreen so both pokemon have been missing for consecutive turns.
                                              And it took like what, 15 minutes before one side fainted?
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