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Old December 5th, 2012 (7:55 AM).
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252atk/252 HP/4 sp def Careful
Flash fire
-Bite
-Flame Charge
-Frustration
-Dig

High sp def, can kill with Bite :p
That's not really that viable though, considering Dig is usually a terrible move to use competitively due to the opponent being able to switch and gain an advantage (and Bite generally isn't really used on many things). You're also encouraged not to repeat mons, especially not ones used two posts back. :(

I'm aware this is a repeat but it's a different set and hasn't been used since October so it's okay!!

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power Ice
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

It resists Frustration and Bite (and doesn't take much damage), can't be hurt by Dig and can just keep attacking with Earth Power which 2HKO's that Flareon. Plus it's switching into Bite according to your post which only does around 15% damage.
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Old December 5th, 2012 (9:38 AM).
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Heatran @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power Ice
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Storm Drain
Sassy [+Special Defense; -Speed]
252 HP / 4 Special Attack / 252 Special Defense
- Earthquake
- Scald / Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Recover

Heatran, even with HP [Grass], isn't going to be dealing any significant damage to this guy. And without Toxic to threaten it, Gastrodon has even less to fear. It might not be landing anything resembling a OHKO (2HKO with Scald and SR damage at best), but Gastrodon will counter Heatran up and down.
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Old December 5th, 2012 (9:47 AM).
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Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Storm Drain
Sassy [+Special Defense; -Speed]
252 HP / 4 Special Attack / 252 Special Defense
- Earthquake
- Scald / Ice Beam
- Toxic
- Recover

Heatran, even with HP [Grass], isn't going to be dealing any significant damage to this guy. And without Toxic to threaten it, Gastrodon has even less to fear. It might not be landing anything resembling a OHKO (2HKO with Scald and SR damage at best), but Gastrodon will counter Heatran up and down.
Articuno @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm
- Ice Beam
- Roost
- Heal Bell
- Toxic

Articuno can avoid EQ if it stalls out Gastrodon's attacks with Pressure, it can Toxic Gastrodon so it dies slowly, and can heal itself from getting Burned or Poisoned, and is barely hurt by Scald and Ice Beam thanks to its high SDef, all without really needing to make use of Roost, which'd make it vulnerable to EQ.
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Old December 5th, 2012 (9:55 AM).
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-Head Smash
-Heavy Slam
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch/Aqua Tail/Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 116 HP/252 Atk/140 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Rock Head

Aggron doesn't care about what Articuno does to it, as it resists Ice Beam and is immune to Toxic and can OHKO Articuno with Head Smash.
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Old December 5th, 2012 (1:35 PM).
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    Not sure why Flareon is STABless, I mean Flame Charge isn't exactly bad and it could make up the speed lost in Curse while Charizard dies, and I thought we were talking about counters on their own, not with support from the previous Pokemon mentioned
    I have last resort because it is powerful and flareon's fire stabs all suck. Flame charge isn't really that great because it is weak and the raised speed doesn't really help that much because it is already slow as hell.

    Even without seeds, flareon still makes a decent charizard "counter" because of its high spd. I can just wish, and n the next turn, curse up and receive the wish.


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    Water absorb
    Circle throw
    Scald
    Rest
    Sleep talk
    Comes in on any move(cb eq isn't a 2hko) and either scald for a lot of damage and possible burn or circle throw predicting the switch.
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    Max HP/max defense Relaxed nature
    Water absorb
    Circle throw
    Scald
    Rest
    Sleep talk
    Comes in on any move(cb eq isn't a 2hko) and either scald for a lot of damage and possible burn or circle throw predicting the switch.
    This was used before but it's a different set.

    Jellicent @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    248 HP / 216 Def / 44 Spe
    Bold
    - Scald
    - Toxic
    - Recover
    - Taunt

    It avoids being scalded with Water Absorb, can not be hit by Cirle Throw thanks to its typing, can Taunt Poliwrath so it can't even go to sleep to remove status, and then just Toxic it and stall it out.
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      Toxicroak @ Black Sludge
      Trait: Dry Skin
      4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
      Nature: Adamant
      - Swords Dance
      - Cross Chop
      - Sucker Punch
      - Ice Punch

      Switch in fearing nothing, except a minor taunt. If not taunted set up a Swords Dance on the switch then wreak havok on opposing team
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      Old December 5th, 2012 (8:58 PM).
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      Skarmory @ Leftovers
      Trait: Sturdy
      252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe
      Impish
      - Roost
      - Spikes
      - Whirlwind
      - Brave Bird / Taunt

      It's barely hurt by the attacks due to the good physical defense and as long as it doesn't roost it can easily kill Toxicroak with Brave Bird and roost away the damage in the next turn once the frog is ded.
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      Old December 6th, 2012 (1:13 PM).
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      Skarmory @ Leftovers
      Trait: Sturdy
      252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe
      Impish
      - Roost
      - Spikes
      - Whirlwind
      - Brave Bird / Taunt

      It's barely hurt by the attacks due to the good physical defense and as long as it doesn't roost it can easily kill Toxicroak with Brave Bird and roost away the damage in the next turn once the frog is ded.
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      Timid [+Speed; -Attack]
      4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed
      - Thunderbolt
      - Heat Wave
      - Hidden Power [Grass] / Hidden Power [Ice]
      - Roost

      Zapdos has an immunity to Spikes, access to Roost, and a good, strong STAB in Thunderbolt. That's about it lol
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