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Old December 25th, 2012 (12:02 PM). Edited December 25th, 2012 by Satycorn89.
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    Hi everyone!
    I am trying to break down the idea of weather teams and I am starting to like them more and more, but the thing is that the people I'm going to battle against have set rules that we will be doing double battles only, so I don't know how each team would still be able to function as good as in single battles. Also, I'm playing with friends via infrared, so please do not worry about banned pokemon/moves, and also do not suggest any legendaries please because I do not like to use them.
    So first, the Sand team will be this:

    1.Tyranitar, Sand Stream
    Sassy Nature @Leftovers
    Evs: 228Atk, 140Def, 140 SpDef.
    Moveset:-Crunch
    -Flamethrower
    -Ice Beam
    -Superpower(Or Stealthrock?)

    Tyranitar will be the sand storm inducer. One thing that I want to do, is cover his fighting weakness, what do you suggest? Or is this set okay?

    2.Donphan, Sand Veil
    Adamant Nature, @Leftovers
    -Rapid Spin
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard/Stealth Rock

    3.Swampert, Torrent
    Relaxed Nature, @Leftovers
    EVs:252 Hp / 216 Def / 52 SpD
    -Ice Beam
    -Earthquake
    -Scald
    -Stealth Rock

    4.Mamoswine, Snow Cloak
    Jolly Nature, @Life Orb
    4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    -Substitute
    -Icicle Crash
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard

    5.Magnezone, Magnet Pull
    Timid Nature, @Air Balloon
    EVs: 36HP, 252SPa, 220Spe.
    -Substitute
    -Thunderbolt
    -Flash Cannon
    -HP Ground
    I'll do my best to breed a magnemite with a Ground HP, but IDK, I'm tired of breeding and I already have babies with perfect IVs...

    6.Machamp, No Guard
    Adamant Nature, @Leftovers
    EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe
    -Dynamic Punch
    -Substitute
    -Stone Edge
    -Ice Punch

    Any help would be appreciated, open to any criticism!! Let me know what you think.
    Thank you!

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    Old December 25th, 2012 (1:26 PM).
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    Tyranitar is better off with any of these sets with the coming of BW2:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Fire BlastStone Edge/Superpower
    Nature: Sassy/Careful
    EVs: 252 hip/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream

    Or
    -Stone Edge
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Superpower
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Sand Stream

    Sturdy is still the preferred ability on Donphan as it guaranteed it gets to do something before going down:
    -Earthquake
    -Rapid Spin
    -Stone Edge/Head Smash/Stealth Rock
    -Ice Shard
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy

    Gastrodon is a better option over Swampert to check rain teams:
    -Earthquake/Earth Power
    -Scald/Ice Beam
    -Toxic
    -Recover
    Natureassy/Calm
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Storm Drain

    Life Orb in conjunction with Sub wears down Manoswine fast. Gengar is one of the few who can make use of both at once thanks to Pain Split :
    -Substitute
    -Pain Split
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    Magnezone can make use of SubCharge if you can't be bothered to breed for Hidden Power. Also, HP Fire or Ice is better for Magnezone,
    -Substitute
    -Charge Beam
    -Thunderbolt
    -Flash Cannon/Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 36 HP/252 SAtk/220 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Magnet Pull

    An alternative Fighting check is Reuniclus:
    -Trick Room
    -Psychic/Psyshock
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    Nature:Quiet
    EVs 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Magic Guard

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    Old December 25th, 2012 (1:44 PM).
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      I don't really like the idea of having both Crunch and Pursuit on the same set with Tyranitar, I know that pursuit gets 2 times stronger if the target is switching out, but it doesn't become MUCH more powerful than Crunch, plus, I'm terrible at predicting if the target will be switching or not, so can I replace Pursuit with Superpower and have this:
      -Stealth Rock
      -Crunch
      -Superpower
      -Fire Blast
      Nature: Sassy/Careful
      EVs: 252 hip/4 Atk/252 SDef
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Sand Stream

      Also, Gastrodon might have the great ability to absorb water attacks, but it's defense is terrible, a Physical Grass attack would tear it apart, wouldn't it? Swampert looks much more bulky...

      About Gengar, how would it benefit the team? The team is full of Earthquakes and what not lol, who would Gengar counter here?

      And Reuniclus, can that thing really activate Trick Room without dying? It's defenses, again are not that great.. Machamp seems more viable in this case..

      Thank you for sticking by.

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      Old December 25th, 2012 (1:58 PM).
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Satycorn89 View Post
      I don't really like the idea of having both Crunch and Pursuit on the same set with Tyranitar, I know that pursuit gets 2 times stronger if the target is switching out, but it doesn't become MUCH more powerful than Crunch, plus, I'm terrible at predicting if the target will be switching or not, so can I replace Pursuit with Superpower and have this:
      -Stealth Rock
      -Crunch
      -Superpower
      -Fire Blast
      Nature: Sassy/Careful
      EVs: 252 hip/4 Atk/252 SDef
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Sand Stream

      Also, Gastrodon might have the great ability to absorb water attacks, but it's defense is terrible, a Physical Grass attack would tear it apart, wouldn't it? Swampert looks much more bulky...

      About Gengar, how would it benefit the team? The team is full of Earthquakes and what not lol, who would Gengar counter here?

      And Reuniclus, can that thing really activate Trick Room without dying? It's defenses, again are not that great.. Machamp seems more viable in this case..

      Thank you for sticking by.

      That's what Scald is for, dude. Try to fish for a burn with it, or you can always switch out. If you're bugged that Gastrodon's not working for you, Ferrothorn can be used instead:
      -Spikes/Stealth Rock
      -Leech Seed
      -Power Whip
      -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
      Nature: Relaxed
      EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
      Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

      You forgot that Gengar has Levitate, didn't you? It can switch in to the Ground and Fighting moves aimed at your team, then set up a Sub to predict the next switch-in. When its HP gets too low, that's when you use Pain Split.

      And you forgot that Reuniclus has 110 base HP, right? It compensates for its 75 Defense and 85 Special Defense (the latter defensive stat is rather decent). The EV spread I mentioned optimizes its bulk. Also, if the lack of recovery bothers you, use this:
      -Calm Mind
      -Psyshock
      -Focus Blast
      -Recover
      Nature: Bold
      EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
      Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
      Ability: Magic Guard

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      Old December 25th, 2012 (2:23 PM).
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        That's what Scald is for, dude. Try to fish for a burn with it, or you can always switch out. If you're bugged that Gastrodon's not working for you, Ferrothorn can be used instead:
        -Spikes/Stealth Rock
        -Leech Seed
        -Power Whip
        -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
        Nature: Relaxed
        EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
        Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

        You forgot that Gengar has Levitate, didn't you? It can switch in to the Ground and Fighting moves aimed at your team, then set up a Sub to predict the next switch-in. When its HP gets too low, that's when you use Pain Split.

        And you forgot that Reuniclus has 110 base HP, right? It compensates for its 75 Defense and 85 Special Defense (the latter defensive stat is rather decent). The EV spread I mentioned optimizes its bulk. Also, if the lack of recovery bothers you, use this:
        -Calm Mind
        -Psyshock
        -Focus Blast
        -Recover
        Nature: Bold
        EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
        Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
        Ability: Magic Guard

        The reason I wanted to include a Water type was because having access to Ice Beam, Earthquake and Scald in one moveset gives coverage in Ground, Grass, Fight, Steel, all threats to Sand teams, and add into that Swampert's bulky stats.
        If it is for Ferrothorn, can I add Scizor instead of it, or do the two have different functions in this team (lol rethoric question).

        Haha I totally forgot about Gengar. Now you're right, I see what I can do with it.

        I was so so so thrilled, keen and excited about using Machamp, it's perfectly accurate Dynamic Punch seems so delicious to me ... Is there any way we can make a spot for this little guy?

        And last, can you please, suggest me how to "use" the pokemon in the double battles I will be playing? I mean, which Pokemon should be played with which, which one would help the other more?
        THank you!

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        Old December 25th, 2012 (2:46 PM).
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        Quote:
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        The reason I wanted to include a Water type was because having access to Ice Beam, Earthquake and Scald in one moveset gives coverage in Ground, Grass, Fight, Steel, all threats to Sand teams, and add into that Swampert's bulky stats.
        If it is for Ferrothorn, can I add Scizor instead of it, or do the two have different functions in this team (lol rethoric question).

        Haha I totally forgot about Gengar. Now you're right, I see what I can do with it.

        I was so so so thrilled, keen and excited about using Machamp, it's perfectly accurate Dynamic Punch seems so delicious to me ... Is there any way we can make a spot for this little guy?

        And last, can you please, suggest me how to "use" the pokemon in the double battles I will be playing? I mean, which Pokemon should be played with which, which one would help the other more?
        THank you!

        Swampert isn't used much anymore because of the power creep. It can't do bulky sets effectively anymore, as Gastrodon does them better. It's best off on bulky offense now:
        -Waterfall
        -Earthquake
        -Superpower
        -Ice Punch/Stone Edge
        Nature: Adamant
        EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/84 Spe
        Item: Choice Band

        I assumed that this was a single battle team, so I rated it as such. Take a look at each Pokémon's VGC '12 article at Smogon for more.

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        Old December 25th, 2012 (4:04 PM).
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          Quote:
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          Swampert isn't used much anymore because of the power creep. It can't do bulky sets effectively anymore, as Gastrodon does them better. It's best off on bulky offense now:
          -Waterfall
          -Earthquake
          -Superpower
          -Ice Punch/Stone Edge
          Nature: Adamant
          EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/84 Spe
          Item: Choice Band

          I assumed that this was a single battle team, so I rated it as such. Take a look at each Pokémon's VGC '12 article at Smogon for more.

          Ughh, by that do you mean that all of the above do not appeal to the battles I'm trying to fight?
          Smogon is the main place where I refer to when checking Pokemon stats/movesets, however I was looking for something more precise.
          Thank you very much nonetheless .

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