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Old January 10th, 2013 (2:50 PM).
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Special Sweeper-Magnezone
-Thunderbolt
-Magnet Rise
-Flash Cannon
-Signal Beam
EV:
152 HP
252 SAtk
100 Spd

Physical Wall-Carracosta
Item: Chesto Berry
-Aqua Jet
-Ancient Power
-Ice Beam
-Rest
EV:
200 HP
52 Atk
252 Def

This is the start of my tournament team. I'm thinking of adding in a Blissey as a special wall, and Scizor as a baton passer. Any suggestions (other pokemon to use, builds, etc)?
Magnezone could theoretically use Magnet Rise to avoid Ground moves, but Air Balloon is a more reliable alternative:
-Substitute
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)/Charge Beam
-Flash Cannon/Charge Beam
Nature: Timid
EVs: 36 HP/252 SAtk/220 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull

or
-Thunderbolt
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
-Flash Cannon
Nature: Timid/Modest
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe (Timid) or 148 HP/252 SAtk/108 Spe (Modest)
Item: Choice Scarf (Timid)/Choice Specs (Modest)
Ability: Magnet Pull

Carracosta's bad defensive typing makes it unsuitable as a physical wall, but it has Stealth Rock as a support option. Its Attack is better than its Special Attack, so the latter stat is rarely used. It also makes a decent Shell Smash sweeper:
-Stealth Rock
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Aqua Jet/Stealth Rock
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/8 Atk/252 Def
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock

or
-Shell Smash
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Aqua Jet/Earthquake
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: White Herb

But then again, Gliscor is a better physical wall because of its good defensive typing in conjunction with Poison Heal:
-Substitute
-Toxic
-Protect/Taunt/Roost
-Earthquake
Nature: Impish
EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

or
-Earthquake
-Taunt/Toxic
-Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
-Roost/Protect
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal

Scizor is better off scouting or KOing things outright rather than Baton Passing. Baton Passing can be done better by Ninjask or Smeargle:

Scizor:
-U-turn
-Bullet Punch
-Superpower
-Quick Attack/Pursuit
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Technician

or
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Brick Break/Superpower
-Bug Bite/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Technician

or
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Bug Bite/Superpower
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 HP/40 Atk/216 SDef
Item: Leftovers/Iron Plate/Metal Coat
Ability: Technician

Ninjask:
-Substitute
-Protect
-Baton Pass
-Swords Dance/Toxic
Nature: Impish
EVs: 248 HP/236 Def/24 Spe
Item: Leftovers/Mental Herb
Ability: Speed Boost

Smeargle:
-Spore
-Shell Smash
-Baton Pass
-Ingrain/Taunt
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 80 Atk/96 Def/80 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
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Old January 10th, 2013 (8:39 PM). Edited January 10th, 2013 by vapes.
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    More than stats as global, EVs and preferably IVs would help in deciding.
    Bold is a good nature so in that field it's pretty good.
    IV's in order
    HP: 31 Atk: 3 Def: 26 Sp Atk: 9 Sp Def: 12 Spd: 28

    EV's
    HP: 252 Atk: 0 Def: 200 Sp Atk: 0 Sp Def: 52 Spd: 0

    Hopefully that helps. I really do like Vaporeon as a water type, and I really want to use on a competitive team

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    Moveset needs work. Acid Armor is only good for Baton Pass sets:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Scald
    -Ice Beam/Toxic
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb

    or
    -Substitute
    -Baton Pass
    -Acid Armor/Aqua Ring/Wish
    -Scald/Roar
    Nature: Bold
    EV: 244 HP/136 Def/128 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
    Hmm..I see I actually like the first set best with toxic instead of ice beam. I just don't know how to get the wish on there. I'm pretty sure I have to breed it to get that, correct? or is there a tm for it?

    Also, stat wise and based on my IV's and EV spread, is it a good Vaporeon? Or should I breed for one with better SP Def?
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    Old January 11th, 2013 (6:48 AM).
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    IV's in order
    HP: 31 Atk: 3 Def: 26 Sp Atk: 9 Sp Def: 12 Spd: 28

    EV's
    HP: 252 Atk: 0 Def: 200 Sp Atk: 0 Sp Def: 52 Spd: 0

    Hopefully that helps. I really do like Vaporeon as a water type, and I really want to use on a competitive team



    Hmm..I see I actually like the first set best with toxic instead of ice beam. I just don't know how to get the wish on there. I'm pretty sure I have to breed it to get that, correct? or is there a tm for it?

    Also, stat wise and based on my IV's and EV spread, is it a good Vaporeon? Or should I breed for one with better SP Def?
    Wish is one of Eevee's egg moves, so you'll have to breed for it.

    The IVs are decent, but the Special stats are terrible.
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      Wish is one of Eevee's egg moves, so you'll have to breed for it.

      The IVs are decent, but the Special stats are terrible.
      Well SP Atk shouldn't really matter since it's mostly a wall and its natural SP Atk can do some damage anyways. But yes I have hatched an egg that has much better SP Def, Def, and Speed. 29/30-31/29 respectively. The SP Atk is 5-8, but honestly it doesn't bother me as toxic and protect and wish will take out Pokes. And Surf/Scald will still do quite a lot of damage.

      But yes I'll have to get a togepi..
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      Well SP Atk shouldn't really matter since it's mostly a wall and its natural SP Atk can do some damage anyways. But yes I have hatched an egg that has much better SP Def, Def, and Speed. 29/30-31/29 respectively. The SP Atk is 5-8, but honestly it doesn't bother me as toxic and protect and wish will take out Pokes. And Surf/Scald will still do quite a lot of damage.

      But yes I'll have to get a togepi..
      But then again, having a good IV in an offensive stat you intend to use is also important, as Toxic may not be enough to take down opponents, and base stats aren't enough alone, since there are times when the low IV will hinder your damage output.

      Togepi and Eevee can't breed together as they belong to different egg groups. You can have a male Smeargle Sketch Wish and breed it with Eevee.
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        But then again, having a good IV in an offensive stat you intend to use is also important, as Toxic may not be enough to take down opponents, and base stats aren't enough alone, since there are times when the low IV will hinder your damage output.

        Togepi and Eevee can't breed together as they belong to different egg groups. You can have a male Smeargle Sketch Wish and breed it with Eevee.
        Hm, yes I see what you mean. Well I finally bred one and got an Eevee with WISH (I used skitty) and got these IV's
        31/9/26/23-28/28/24 (Some of those might be wrong but they're around there).

        Personally I think this is very good and I am not changing it. But please do provide feedback. Also, wish can be relearned by a move tutor if I delete it, correct?
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        Hm, yes I see what you mean. Well I finally bred one and got an Eevee with WISH (I used skitty) and got these IV's
        31/9/26/23-28/28/24 (Some of those might be wrong but they're around there).

        Personally I think this is very good and I am not changing it. But please do provide feedback. Also, wish can be relearned by a move tutor if I delete it, correct?
        Yup, those IVs should be good.

        Also, the Move Maniac can only reteach level-up moves, not Egg/tutor moves, and Wish isn't one of Eevee's level-up moves.
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        Old January 11th, 2013 (9:40 PM). Edited January 12th, 2013 by vapes.
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          Yup, those IVs should be good.

          Also, the Move Maniac can only reteach level-up moves, not Egg/tutor moves, and Wish isn't one of Eevee's level-up moves.
          Thanks.
          Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

          I have also chosen this moveset:

          Scald
          Toxic
          Wish
          Protect

          Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
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          Thanks.
          Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

          I have also chosen this moveset:

          Scald
          Toxic
          Wish
          Protect

          Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
          I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
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            I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
            She doesn't give you Tamato Berries for some reason.
            But yes, I already did. Thanks for your help, though
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            She doesn't give you Tamato Berries for some reason.
            But yes, I already did. Thanks for your help, though
            Oh I forgot; you get them from Join Avenue if you rank-up the Flower Shop enough.
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              Oh I forgot; you get them from Join Avenue if you rank-up the Flower Shop enough.
              Only in Black 2; I don't know why White 2 doesn't get it.
              I got one though from someone.
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                I have a Haxorus. Thats Lonely nature with 29+ atk and spd Ivs but its HP Iv is 0. Yes I mean 0. Id like to keep it but not sure if its a good idea considering its low hp and everything. Is it?
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                  @AdrainD: You should keep it considering that you will be using Haxorus offensively. If you want to be defensive, then use another one.
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                  I have a Haxorus. Thats Lonely nature with 29+ atk and spd Ivs but its HP Iv is 0. Yes I mean 0. Id like to keep it but not sure if its a good idea considering its low hp and everything. Is it?
                  Don't care about HP... Haxorus isn't made for long battles... it's made for sweeping.
                  So give him Choice Scarf or Band and kill everything before it kills you.
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                  Old January 14th, 2013 (8:48 PM).
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                    @AdrainD: You should keep it considering that you will be using Haxorus offensively. If you want to be defensive, then use another one.
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                    Don't care about HP... Haxorus isn't made for long battles... it's made for sweeping.
                    So give him Choice Scarf or Band and kill everything before it kills you. ;)
                    Which pokemon endures well? I have I think three sweepers 2 physical, 1 special. Would like one to endure a little bit and grind out if need be.
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                      Which pokemon endures well? I have I think three sweepers 2 physical, 1 special. Would like one to endure a little bit and grind out if need be.
                      Here are some bulky 'mons you can try:

                      Ferrothorn:
                      -Stealth Rock/Spikes
                      -Leech Seed
                      -Power Whip
                      -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
                      Nature: Relaxed
                      EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
                      Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

                      Forretress:
                      -Stealth Rock/Spikes/Toxic Spikes
                      -Rapid Spin
                      -Volt Switch
                      -Gyro Ball/Hidden Power (Ice)
                      Nature: Relaxed/Bold
                      EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
                      Item: Leftovers
                      Ability: Sturdy

                      Donphan:
                      -Earthquake
                      -Rapid Spin
                      -Stealth Rock/Head Smash/Stone Edge
                      -Ice Shard
                      Nature: Adamant
                      EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
                      Item: Leftovers
                      Ability: Sturdy

                      Blissey:
                      -Aromatherapy/Heal Bell/Stealth Rock
                      -Softboiled
                      -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
                      -Toxic/Thunder Wave
                      Nature: Calm
                      EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
                      Item: Leftovers
                      Ability: Natural Cure

                      or
                      -Wish
                      -Protect/Softboiled
                      -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
                      -Toxic/Thunder Wave
                      Nature: Calm
                      EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
                      Item: Leftovers
                      Ability: Natural Cure

                      Skarmory:
                      -Spikes/Stealth Rock
                      -Whirlwind/Roar
                      -Roost
                      -Brave Bird/Taunt
                      Nature: Impish/Careful
                      EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 Spe or 252 HP/232 SDef/24 Spe
                      Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
                      Ability: Sturdy

                      Heatran:
                      -Lava Plume
                      -Stealth Rock/Roar
                      -Toxic/Will-o-Wisp/Earth Power
                      -Protect
                      Nature: Calm
                      EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
                      Item: Leftovers

                      Gliscor:
                      -Earthquake
                      -Substitute
                      -Toxic
                      -Protect/Taunt/Roost
                      Nature: Impish
                      EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
                      Item: Toxic Orb
                      Ability: Poison Heal

                      or
                      -Earthquake
                      -Taunt/Toxic
                      -Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
                      -Roost/Protect
                      Nature: Impish
                      EVs: 252 HP/240 Def/16 Spe
                      Item: Toxic Orb
                      Ability: Poison Heal

                      Jellicent:
                      -Scald/Surf
                      -Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
                      -Recover
                      -Taunt
                      Nature: Bold
                      EVs: 248 HP/216 Def/44 Spe
                      Item: Leftovers

                      or
                      -Scald/Surf
                      -Will-o-Wisp/Toxic
                      -Recover
                      -Ice Beam/Shadow Ball
                      Nature: Calm
                      EVs: 252 HP/36 Def/220 SDef
                      Item: Leftovers
                      Ability: Water Absorb
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                      The choice between Darmanitan and Chandelure depends on whether you want to hit hard physically or specially. Both have good offensive move pools, but Chandelure's Ghost typing is also what sets it from Darmanitan.
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                        Thanks.
                        Just a quick question, do you happen to have one tamoto berry? I messed up EV training.

                        I have also chosen this moveset:

                        Scald
                        Toxic
                        Wish
                        Protect

                        Toxic for special attackers, scald for physical
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                        I don't trade via Wi-Fi. Tamato Berries can be bought at random from the Pokémon Breeder at Route 5 in B2/W2. Ask in the Quick Trade thread in the Trade forum.
                        They can be bought in the join avenue the berry specialist has to be I think lv 8
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                          Hi,
                          I'm trying to build a decent team with my favorite pokemon in it (Milotic) but I have difficulties against OU metagame with it.

                          Milotic : Leftovers
                          Scald
                          Ice Beam
                          Dragon Tail
                          Restore

                          Roserade : Big root
                          Spikes
                          Leech Seed
                          HP Fire
                          Giga-drain

                          Heatran : Air balloon
                          Flamethrower
                          HP Grass
                          Earth Power
                          Steath Rock

                          Scizor : Choice Band
                          Bullet Punch
                          U-turn
                          Super Power
                          Pursuit

                          Starmie : Life Orb or Electric gem / Ice gem?
                          Rapid spin
                          Hydro pump
                          Ice Beam
                          Thunderbolt

                          Salamence : Life Orb
                          Outrage
                          Flamethrower
                          Earthquake
                          Roost

                          OR

                          Dragonite : Lum berry
                          Outrage
                          Fire Punch
                          Dragon Dance
                          Roost

                          I am willing to try some replacements but here is the order of me being willing to drop them

                          1 : Roserade
                          2 : Heatran
                          3 : Starmie
                          4 : Scizor
                          5 : Dragonite / Salamence (I like Salamence better)
                          6 : nope, Shiny Milotic with near flawless IV's is my Trophy poke. I love the little fella

                          So? is it terrible? Is it redeemable? what are your suggestions?
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                          Hi,
                          I'm trying to build a decent team with my favorite pokemon in it (Milotic) but I have difficulties against OU metagame with it.

                          Milotic : Leftovers
                          Scald
                          Ice Beam
                          Dragon Tail
                          Restore

                          Roserade : Big root
                          Spikes
                          Leech Seed
                          HP Fire
                          Giga-drain

                          Heatran : Air balloon
                          Flamethrower
                          HP Grass
                          Earth Power
                          Steath Rock

                          Scizor : Choice Band
                          Bullet Punch
                          U-turn
                          Super Power
                          Pursuit

                          Starmie : Life Orb or Electric gem / Ice gem?
                          Rapid spin
                          Hydro pump
                          Ice Beam
                          Thunderbolt

                          Salamence : Life Orb
                          Outrage
                          Flamethrower
                          Earthquake
                          Roost

                          OR

                          Dragonite : Lum berry
                          Outrage
                          Fire Punch
                          Dragon Dance
                          Roost

                          I am willing to try some replacements but here is the order of me being willing to drop them

                          1 : Roserade
                          2 : Heatran
                          3 : Starmie
                          4 : Scizor
                          5 : Dragonite / Salamence (I like Salamence better)
                          6 : nope, Shiny Milotic with near flawless IV's is my Trophy poke. I love the little fella

                          So? is it terrible? Is it redeemable? what are your suggestions?
                          Thanks
                          Might be a good idea to put in EVs for each of your 'mons, dude.

                          Anyway:

                          There's no "Restore" attack in Pokémon. I think you were referring to Recover.

                          Big Root isn't a good item to use competitively on Roserade, or any 'mon in general. Sure, the extra HP recovery is tempting, but that's what Lefties/Black Sludge is for. Ferrothorn is a better candidate over Roserade because of its good bulk and useful resists:
                          -Spikes/Stealth Rock
                          -Leech Seed
                          -Power Whip
                          -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
                          Nature: Relaxed
                          EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
                          Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell


                          While Flamethrower has always been regarded as a reliable Fire STAB, Heatran really likes the extra power of Fire Blast. 85% accuracy isn't that bad compared to Focus Blast's 70% accuracy (sure, Heatran can't learn it, but I'm drawing a comparison).

                          Gems aren't good items to use competitively outside of Flying Gem + Acrobatics. Starmie should use Leftovers or Life Orb.

                          Life Orb + 3 attacks seems tempting on Salamence, but it tends to get revenge killed if it gets stuck on Outrage. Whether you choose Dragonite or Salamence depends on if you want more survivability (Dragonite's Multiscale and good defenses) or more power (Salamence's Moxie ability and superior Speed compared to Dragonite):
                          -Dragon Dance
                          -Outrage
                          -Earthquake
                          -Fire Blast/Hydro Pump
                          Nature: Naive
                          EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                          Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

                          or
                          -Outrage
                          -Dragon Claw
                          -Earthquake
                          -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail
                          Nature: Naive/Jolly
                          EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                          Item: Choice Scarf
                          Ability: Moxie

                          or
                          -Outrage
                          -Draco Meteor
                          -Fire Blast
                          -Earthquake
                          Nature: Naive
                          EVs: 64 Atk/192 SAtk/252 Spe
                          Item: Life Orb
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                            Ok so I'm trying to make a team, which I'm hoping will include 4 sweepers, 2 special 2 physical; and 1 Blissey with 1 Mienshao (for baton pass). My problem is, I have FIVE sweepers, and I don't know if I should get rid of one, or replace my Blissey with Mienshao, or vice versa. Here's my options of pokemon, and please give me tips on improvement and possible pokemon items as well.

                            Samurott:

                            Megahorn
                            Ice Beam
                            Hydro Cannon
                            Hydro Pump

                            Lucario:

                            Dragon Pulse
                            Earthquake
                            Close Combat
                            Ice Punch

                            Garchomp:

                            Earthquake
                            Draco Meteor
                            Stone Edge
                            Flamethrower

                            Chandelure:

                            Heat Wave
                            Shadow Ball
                            Psychic
                            Energy Ball

                            Pichu:

                            Volt Tackle
                            Double Team
                            Iron Tail
                            Grass Knot

                            Blissey:

                            Softboiled
                            Hyper Beam
                            Heal Bell
                            Toxic

                            Mienshao:

                            Baton Pass
                            Calm Mind
                            Bulk Up
                            Hi Jump Kick
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                            Old January 18th, 2013 (3:51 AM).
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                              Might be a good idea to put in EVs for each of your 'mons, dude.

                              There's no "Restore" attack in Pokémon. I think you were referring to Recover.

                              Ferrothorn is a better candidate over Roserade because of its good bulk and useful resists:
                              -Spikes/Stealth Rock
                              -Leech Seed
                              -Power Whip
                              -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
                              Nature: Relaxed
                              EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
                              Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell

                              Life Orb + 3 attacks seems tempting on Salamence, but it tends to get revenge killed if it gets stuck on Outrage. Whether you choose Dragonite or Salamence depends on if you want more survivability (Dragonite's Multiscale and good defenses) or more power (Salamence's Moxie ability and superior Speed compared to Dragonite):
                              Thanks for your insight

                              Sorry, They're not all on my pokecheck so I didn't know the EVs I'd used.

                              About Ferrothorn: I think I'll give him a try. He not the cutest thing but he's a tough guy.

                              About Starmie: Can you use the same Item on several Pokes in competitive battling?

                              About the Dragons : for my style of play (and for looks) , I like Salamence better but I find the OU metagame is SOOOOO bulky that I'm reluctantly using DD Dragonite w/ Roost because he's easier to set up.
                              Is Moxie the Overruling ability for DD Salamence or does Intimidate still have it's merits?

                              Any Idea how this team could deal with Sub/Drain Punch? A Gallade wiped the floor with me, the other day T_T
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                              Old January 18th, 2013 (7:18 AM).
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                              Quote:
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                              Ok so I'm trying to make a team, which I'm hoping will include 4 sweepers, 2 special 2 physical; and 1 Blissey with 1 Mienshao (for baton pass). My problem is, I have FIVE sweepers, and I don't know if I should get rid of one, or replace my Blissey with Mienshao, or vice versa. Here's my options of pokemon, and please give me tips on improvement and possible pokemon items as well.

                              Samurott:

                              Megahorn
                              Ice Beam
                              Hydro Cannon
                              Hydro Pump

                              Lucario:

                              Dragon Pulse
                              Earthquake
                              Close Combat
                              Ice Punch

                              Garchomp:

                              Earthquake
                              Draco Meteor
                              Stone Edge
                              Flamethrower

                              Chandelure:

                              Heat Wave
                              Shadow Ball
                              Psychic
                              Energy Ball

                              Pichu:

                              Volt Tackle
                              Double Team
                              Iron Tail
                              Grass Knot

                              Blissey:

                              Softboiled
                              Hyper Beam
                              Heal Bell
                              Toxic

                              Mienshao:

                              Baton Pass
                              Calm Mind
                              Bulk Up
                              Hi Jump Kick
                              EVs would totally be useful here. You overlooked the fact that some of your 'mons have setup moves on their own.

                              Never use Hyper Beam-style moves ever. They leave the user as a sitting duck the next turn. Samurott has a decent movepool to take advantage of:
                              -Swords Dance
                              -Waterfall
                              -Aqua Jet
                              -Megahorn
                              Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                              Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry/Mystic Water

                              or
                              -Hydro Pump/Surf
                              -Ice Beam
                              -Grass Knot/Hidden Power (Grass)
                              -Taunt/Megahorn/Superpower
                              Nature: Modest/Timid/Rash/Naive
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                              Item: Life Orb

                              EQ and Close Combat have redundant coverage together on Lucario:
                              -Swords Dance
                              -Close Combat
                              -ExtremeSpeed
                              -Crunch/Shadow Claw/Ice Punch/Bullet Punch
                              Nature: Adamant/Jolly
                              EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
                              Item: Life Orb

                              or
                              -Nasty Plot
                              -Aura Sphere
                              -Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
                              -Vacuum Wave/Hidden Power (Ice)/Dragon Pulse
                              Nature: Modest/Timid
                              EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
                              Item: Life Orb

                              While Garchomp can go mixed, it's better off using physical moves to cause more damage:
                              -Outrage
                              -Earthquake
                              -Fire Fang/Aqua Tail
                              -Dragon Claw/Dual Chop
                              Nature: Jolly
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                              Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf

                              or
                              -Swords Dance
                              -Outrage/Dragon Claw
                              -Earthquake
                              -Fire Fang
                              Nature: Jolly
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                              Item: Yache Berry/Haban Berry/Lum Berry

                              or
                              -Substitute
                              -Swords Dance
                              -Outrage/Dragon Claw
                              -Earthquake
                              Nature: Jolly
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                              Item: Leftovers/Salac Berry

                              or
                              -Stealth Rock
                              -Outrage/Dragon Claw
                              -Earthquake
                              -Fire Blast/Swords Dance
                              Nature: Naive/Jolly
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                              Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

                              or
                              -Stealth Rock
                              -Dragon Claw/Dragon Tail
                              -Earthquake
                              -Fire Blast/Aqua Tail/Protect
                              Nature: Jolly
                              EVs: 252 HP/196 Def/60 Spe
                              Item: Leftovers

                              Despite Chandelure's high Special Attack, its 80 Speed and Stealth Rock/Pursuit weaknesses hold it back. You need another wall here, like Gliscor. It can act as a potential Baton Passer:
                              -Substitute
                              -Baton Pass
                              -Earthquake
                              -Toxic/Taunt/Rock Polish/Swords Dance
                              Nature: Impish
                              EVs: 248 HP/24 Def/236 Spe
                              Item: Toxic Orb
                              Ability: Poison Heal

                              You do realize that Blissey gained Hyper Voice as a B2/W2 move tutor, right? But then again, having a Normal STAB move as a sole attack leaves you walled by Ghosts, Rocks and Steels:
                              -Aromatherapy/Stealth Rock
                              -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
                              -Softboiled
                              -Toxic/Thunder Wave
                              Nature: Calm
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
                              Item: Leftovers
                              Ability: Natural Cure

                              or
                              -Wish
                              -Protect/Softboiled
                              -Seismic Toss/Flamethrower
                              -Toxic/Thunder Wave
                              Nature: Calm
                              EVs: 4 HP/252 Def/252 SDef
                              Item: Leftovers
                              Ability: Natural Cure

                              BP'ing 2 different stat boosts at once is too much for something as frail as Mienshao. Smeargle gets the job done easily thanks to its ad infinitum move pool:
                              -Spore
                              -Shell Smash
                              -Baton Pass
                              -Taunt/Ingrain
                              Nature: Jolly/Timid
                              EVs: 80 HP/96 Def/80 SDef/252 Spe
                              Item: Focus Sash
                              Ability: Own Tempo

                              Quote:
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                              Thanks for your insight

                              Sorry, They're not all on my pokecheck so I didn't know the EVs I'd used.

                              About Ferrothorn: I think I'll give him a try. He not the cutest thing but he's a tough guy.

                              About Starmie: Can you use the same Item on several Pokes in competitive battling?

                              About the Dragons : for my style of play (and for looks) , I like Salamence better but I find the OU metagame is SOOOOO bulky that I'm reluctantly using DD Dragonite w/ Roost because he's easier to set up.
                              Is Moxie the Overruling ability for DD Salamence or does Intimidate still have it's merits?

                              Any Idea how this team could deal with Sub/Drain Punch? A Gallade wiped the floor with me, the other day T_T
                              In simulators, yes. In cartridge battles, no. Starmie's type coverage is good enough to warrant an Expert Belt on it.

                              Either ability is viable on Salamence.

                              A (p)hazer might seem ideal on the team, though I'm not sure who I can replace:

                              Skarmory:
                              -Spikes/Stealth Rock
                              -Whirlwind
                              -Roost
                              -Brave Bird/Taunt
                              Nature: Impish/Careful
                              EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 Spe
                              Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
                              Ability: Sturdy

                              Celebi (though those things are very hard to find):
                              -Giga Drain/Psychic
                              -U-turn
                              -Recover
                              -Perish Song/Thunder Wave/Stealth Rock
                              Nature: Calm
                              EVs: 252 HP/232 SDef/24 Spe
                              Item: Leftovers
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