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Old January 18th, 2013 (10:57 AM).
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    In simulators, yes. In cartridge battles, no. Starmie's type coverage is good enough to warrant an Expert Belt on it.

    Either ability is viable on Salamence.

    A (p)hazer might seem ideal on the team, though I'm not sure who I can replace:

    Skarmory:
    -Spikes/Stealth Rock
    -Whirlwind
    -Roost
    -Brave Bird/Taunt
    Nature: Impish/Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/232 Def/24 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
    Ability: Sturdy

    Celebi (though those things are very hard to find):
    -Giga Drain/Psychic
    -U-turn
    -Recover
    -Perish Song/Thunder Wave/Stealth Rock
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP/232 SDef/24 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    I guess Milotic's dragon tail is the closest thing I have to (p)hazing. Maybe DD Salamence can counter Gallade at +1 Speed by OHKOing it before it can use Substitute (unless substitute has priority?!!)

    Anyway I'm breeding a Salamence and got one with good IVs except for 8 in HP. Is that horrendous? Should I raise it? How important is HP for DD Salamence?
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    Old January 18th, 2013 (11:05 AM).
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    I guess Milotic's dragon tail is the closest thing I have to (p)hazing. Maybe DD Salamence can counter Gallade at +1 Speed by OHKOing it before it can use Substitute (unless substitute has priority?!!)

    Anyway I'm breeding a Salamence and got one with good IVs except for 8 in HP. Is that horrendous? Should I raise it? How important is HP for DD Salamence?
    Sub doesn't have priority, unless a Prankster 'mon uses that move. I'm assuming that Gallade got the Sub up first because either it invested in Speed or Salamence didn't invest in Speed at all.

    Also, HP IVs don't really matter on sweepers like Salamence IMO.
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    Old January 19th, 2013 (12:18 PM). Edited January 19th, 2013 by WingedDragon.
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      What would be the best move set for a Timid Jolteon. I know Thunderbolt will be involved but what would best compliment it. Was also thinking of using Air Balloon on it.

      Also should I raise Eevee a little bit or just evolve into Jolteon?
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      Old January 19th, 2013 (12:38 PM).
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      What would be the best move set for a Timid Jolteon. I know Thunderbolt will be involved but what would best compliment it. Was also thinking of using Air Balloon on it.

      Also should I raise Eevee a little bit or just evolve into Jolteon?
      Here's the most-used Jolteon set:
      -Thunderbolt
      -Volt Switch
      -Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
      -Shadow Ball/Signal Beam
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
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      Old January 19th, 2013 (1:01 PM).
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        Here's the most-used Jolteon set:
        -Thunderbolt
        -Volt Switch
        -Hidden Power (Ice/Fire)
        -Shadow Ball/Signal Beam
        Nature: Timid
        EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
        Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
        Ability: Volt Absorb
        What about Light Screen or Substitute? Also would Air Balloon be good to use to at least slow down its ground weakness?
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        Old January 19th, 2013 (2:30 PM).
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        What about Light Screen or Substitute? Also would Air Balloon be good to use to at least slow down its ground weakness?
        Jolteon is too frail for supporting. The only viable Sub set Jolteon can use is this:
        -Substitute
        -Baton Pass
        -Thunderbolt
        -Hidden Power (Ice)
        Nature: Timid
        EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
        Item: Leftovers
        Ability: Volt Absorb

        Air Balloon should only be used if you intend to use Jolteon late-game, as it misses out the power that Specs or Life Orb provide if it does opt for Air Balloon.
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        Old January 23rd, 2013 (3:45 PM).
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          all right heres what im thinking for a sand storm double team, im still deciding movesets.
          the pokes r:
          1) tyranitar
          ability sand stream
          2) garchomp
          ability sand veil
          3) gastrodon
          ability strom drain

          i thought gastrodon would be a good choice cause its ability strom drain can take care of any water threats
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          Old January 23rd, 2013 (3:56 PM).
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            all right heres what im thinking for a sand storm double team, im still deciding movesets.
            the pokes r:
            1) tyranitar
            ability sand stream
            2) garchomp
            ability sand veil
            3) gastrodon
            ability strom drain

            i thought gastrodon would be a good choice cause its ability strom drain can take care of any water threats
            Mmm, it looks so far so good~ I guess if you haven't decided the movesets yet, you can try using a pokemon that can cover grass attacks like Skarmory, that it's electric and fire weakness is covered by your other pokemon already.
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            Old January 23rd, 2013 (4:30 PM).
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              i was thinking of adding a nother poke with sand veil, u know a poke that hit hard and still as sand veil to make good use of sand storm
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              Old January 23rd, 2013 (5:57 PM).
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              i was thinking of adding a nother poke with sand veil, u know a poke that hit hard and still as sand veil to make good use of sand storm
              Are you entering the Wi-Fi challenge?

              Anyway, Gliscor is another good Sand Veil abuser:
              -Earthquake
              -Acrobatics
              -Tailwind
              -Protect
              Nature: Adamant
              EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe or 124 HP/252 Atk/132 Spe or 12 HP/252 Atk/244 Spe
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              Old January 23rd, 2013 (6:01 PM).
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                yes i would like to in the future and PlatinumDude what natures would best suit the other 3 pokes i chosse
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                Old January 23rd, 2013 (6:07 PM).
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                yes i would like to in the future and PlatinumDude what natures would best suit the other 3 pokes i chosse
                I'll probably go the extra mile and suggest some sets for your Pokémon from the get-go. You can adjust the moves to your preference:

                Tyranitar:
                -Crunch
                -Rock Slide
                -Low Kick
                -Protect
                Nature: Brave/Adamant
                EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef
                Item: Chople Berry/Focus Sash

                Garchomp:
                -Earthquake
                -Dragon Claw
                -Rock Slide/Substitute
                -Protect
                Nature: Jolly
                EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                Item: Yache Berry/Dragon Gem

                Gastrodon:
                -Surf/Muddy Water
                -Icy Wind/Ice Beam
                -Earth Power/Toxic
                -Recover/Protect
                Nature: Bold
                EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
                Item: Rindo Berry/Sitrus Berry
                Ability: Storm Drain
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                Old January 23rd, 2013 (6:58 PM). Edited January 24th, 2013 by WolfMirage.
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                  thank u PlatinumDude for the advice

                  i would like to create a team for each of the weather effects users. im stuck on a rainy day team, for a rainy day team should i add Politoed for its drizzy ability or just teach one the pokes a rain making move

                  and so far for the ice team i have chossen abomasnow, vanillish and i was thinking maybe metagross
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                  Old January 24th, 2013 (7:29 AM).
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                    y do all my post keep on getting merged, the post above was made at different times, well what ever the problem is, i hope for great advice as always.

                    please read my post above for my qustion
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                    thank u PlatinumDude for the advice

                    i would like to create a team for each of the weather effects users. im stuck on a rainy day team, for a rainy day team should i add Politoed for its drizzy ability or just teach one the pokes a rain making move

                    and so far for the ice team i have chossen abomasnow, vanillish and i was thinking maybe metagross
                    In the future, just edit your post. The reason why your posts got merged was because of the double-posting rule (I guess).

                    Politoed is pretty much essential for a Rain team, due to its Drizzle ability. However, in simulators, Swift Swim + Drizzle is banned because of how overpowered that combo was back in the day. There's nothing wrong with that combo over at Wi-Fi, though.

                    Vanilluxe isn't good in standard play because of its extremely shallow offensive movepool. Walrein is better suited on a hail team for its ability to stall things out:
                    -Substitute
                    -Protect
                    -Blizzard
                    -Roar/Toxic
                    Nature: Bold
                    EVs: 232 HP/108 Def/168 Spe
                    Item: Leftovers
                    Ability: Ice Body
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                      is Swift Swim + Drizzle banned in tourment 2?
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                      is Swift Swim + Drizzle banned in tourment 2?
                      No. As I said before, Swift Swim + Drizzle is banned on simulators only.
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                      Old January 24th, 2013 (8:37 AM).
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                        cool thanks, for ur help, i post my final chosses here so u can help improve them
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                          A question on Vaporeon again.
                          What's a better EV spread:

                          252 HP/200 Def/52 Sp Def

                          OR

                          252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp Def

                          Which one should I use, and why? The Vaporeon is a wish Vaporeon with Scald, Toxic, Wish, and Protect. It's a wall basically
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                          A question on Vaporeon again.
                          What's a better EV spread:

                          252 HP/200 Def/52 Sp Def

                          OR

                          252 HP/252 Def/4 Sp Def

                          Which one should I use, and why? The Vaporeon is a wish Vaporeon with Scald, Toxic, Wish, and Protect. It's a wall basically
                          248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe is the better spread than those two, as focusing on its physical bulk is more important. 248 HP EVs let it take less damage when it switches into Stealth Rock.
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                          Old January 24th, 2013 (10:20 AM).
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                            248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe is the better spread than those two, as focusing on its physical bulk is more important. 248 HP EVs let it take less damage when it switches into Stealth Rock.
                            Yes, but what about its SP Def? I mean a Thunder could take out a Vaporeon with only 226 SP Def, right? Heck a leaf storm is a sure 1 hit KO, so how should I accommodate for that?
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                              Yes, but what about its SP Def? I mean a Thunder could take out a Vaporeon with only 226 SP Def, right? Heck a leaf storm is a sure 1 hit KO, so how should I accommodate for that?
                              You can switch it to a Special Defensive tank if you're worried in that regard, but you really shouldn't leave it in against a pokemon that has Thunder or Leaf Storm anyway. ):
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                                And wouldn't Scald be enough too take the Physical hits because of the burn?
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                                  And wouldn't Scald be enough too take the Physical hits because of the burn?
                                  Well yes, but that is only circumstantial ~if~ the opposing pokemon gets burned. Otherwise, the defensive variant is sort of preferred.
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                                  Old January 24th, 2013 (10:31 AM).
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                                    heres my thoughts for my ice team abomasnow, walrein, froslass and cloyster.

                                    do u think kyurem or metagross may be godd chioces for this team
                                     
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