Third Generation The hallmark of sprite-based Pokémon gaming, Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald set you off on an adventure in the watery Hoenn region with tons of diverse Pokémon to discover. Fans of Kanto can reexplore their favorite region in FireRed and LeafGreen. Here you'll find other fans who enjoy talking about the Pokémon, strategy, and techniques to master this generation.

View Poll Results: Who is the hardest Hoenn Gym Leader?
Roxanne 5 1.76%
Brawly 25 8.80%
Wattson 26 9.15%
Flannery 7 2.46%
Norman 52 18.31%
Winona 22 7.75%
Tate & Liza 128 45.07%
Wallace/Juan 19 6.69%
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Old January 14th, 2013 (9:45 AM).
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    I think it was Norman for me... I was just unlucky against him.
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    Old January 14th, 2013 (10:20 AM).
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      Tate and Liza. with out a doubt
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      Old January 14th, 2013 (11:58 AM).
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        Norman hands down. I don't like to pick up fighting pokemon, so normal pokemon are always a problem for me. Didn't help that Norman's Slaking always used Yawn too.
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        Old January 14th, 2013 (12:14 PM).
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          Liza and Tate. Oh man, I just plain didn't like anything about their gym or battle or anything, and their final rematch in Emerald involved a Slowking that flat-out denied my Surf Everything strategy.
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          Old January 16th, 2013 (3:14 PM).
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            After rebattling all of them in Emerald...

            Roxanne: Marill owned her, although Marill sucks and took like 10 Water Guns to kill her Nosepass
            Brawly: Taillow owned him.
            Wattson: This was a bit challenging. In the end, Combusken managed to kill Manectric, although barely.
            Flannery: Combusken used Bulk Up. Four times. Then I swept.
            Norman: Aron used Iron Defense, rendering Slaking useless. Beat him up during loafing turns, avoiding Counter. The rest of his Pokémon suck.
            Winona: A bit challenging since Altaria has Earthquake. Lairon uses Iron Defense to take hits, and kills Altaria. The rest are taken care of by Manectric and Combusken.
            Tate & Liza: This was difficult. The actual battle was quick, but I lost three Pokémon due to not playing careful. Aggron killed Xatu, Cacturne killed Claydol, then the others fell to Manectric and Blaziken.
            Juan: I destroyed all of his Pokémon easily, then Kingdra came. Juan's strategy of Double Team and Rest is really lame, Kingdra doesn't need such dirty tricks to be a powerful Pokémon. I eventually wore him down with Cacturne's Leech Seed.

            So my vote goes to either Wattson or Tate & Liza.

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            Old January 19th, 2013 (2:07 PM).
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              Norman...that Slaking was difficult to kill. Bulky and a good attack stat.
              Everyone else were pretty easy though.

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              Old January 19th, 2013 (5:29 PM).
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                Winona. My poor blaziken
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                Old January 19th, 2013 (7:02 PM).
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                  Almost all of them were pretty hard, but the hardest has to be Tate and Liza. :(

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                  Old January 20th, 2013 (3:08 AM).
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                    I'm going to have to go with Roxanne here. There aren't that many trainers available to get 3 pokemon to a decent level, and her constant use of rock tomb is hard hitting on even starters which have a type advantage on her.
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                    Old January 21st, 2013 (1:39 PM).
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                      Definitely a tie between Flannery ((use attract one more time i dare you)) and Norman ((obvious reasons)) although with my recent game I chose Torchic instead of Mudkip and he was fairly easy to beat after evolving him into Blaziken

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                      Old January 21st, 2013 (6:18 PM).
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                        Tate and Liza... In emerald they are tougher.
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                        Old January 21st, 2013 (9:33 PM).
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                          On my first playthrough, Brawly gave me fits with Makuhita's Arm Thrust. He'd always get 3-4 consecutive thrusts in one attack, and the only type advantage I could have used was by using Flying types. Unfortunately, my Taillow had crap defense, so he was taken out quickly. I don't have a problem with him now, but back then, I needed more than 10 tries to beat him. The rest of the game was a breeze, save for Steven.
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                          Old January 23rd, 2013 (2:19 AM).
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                            Brawly, its right at the start of the game, and when you are doing some kind of challenge, if you didn't get a Taillow or Wurmple, you'll never pass it. (Unless of course you switch train an abra from lvl. 7 max to level 20, which is quite a big pain)
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                            Old January 23rd, 2013 (3:14 AM).
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                              Didn't really have problems with Gym Leaders, I always over-level my Pokemon (Like a Blaziken/Swampert and Swellow before Mauville). I had a problem with Roxanne though because I was trying to level up Taillow only. I deposited everything except it. He died so many times...
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                              Tate and Liza. Now that was a great hurdle I had to go through to win.

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                              Old January 24th, 2013 (6:15 PM).
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                                Now that I think about it, most of the gym leaders in this generation were quite tough, with the exception of Roxanne. For me Tate and Liza stand out above the rest.
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                                Norman definitely proved to be a challenge for me with that facade (@[email protected]), but so did Tate and Liza.
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                                Old January 30th, 2013 (11:01 PM).
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                                  I thought Emerald Tate & Liza were the hardest to beat because none of my pokemon had an edge against their pokemon the first time I went against them, but they got easy once I became more prepared.

                                  Honestly, other than that one battle I've never had a problem with the other gym leaders.
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                                  Old January 31st, 2013 (5:43 AM).
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                                  Haha, Norman was the hardest in my opinion. Dat Slaking of his...

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                                  Old February 4th, 2013 (5:12 PM).
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                                    I'm gonna vote for Brawly. It's not so much that he's hard, but if you can't beat him you're kinda screwed... Not really much in the way of training, especially if you've already beaten all of the trainers.
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                                    Tate & Liza. You need to have an iron will, and an iron team to make it through them alive. Double Battle, some insanely powerful Pokemon, and Lunatone/Solrock together was the worst Scenario you could get into. The rematches were even worse, but thankfully they're optional.

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                                    Old February 5th, 2013 (11:58 AM).
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                                      For me it was Liz and Tate just because it was so hard as it was an double battle. it took 100 tries to defeat them as that Solrock/lunatune are so tough to beat.
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                                        I can't decide between Brawly or Wattson

                                        Brawly because his Pokemon are really strong that early in the game.

                                        And Wattson because of those Magnetons.
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                                        Tate and Liza, it's not so much the power of their Pokemon rather their usage of potions in combination with status boosting technics which made the battle pretty hard. I've had serious trouble beating them most of the time "

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                                          Tate and Liza....Omfg, those twins are so...Idk even what to say. They were so hard to beat and it would make it worse if you had blaziken.
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