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Old April 17th, 2013 (1:42 AM). Edited April 17th, 2013 by Her.
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BREAKING NEWS RN BUT I WILL UPDATE WITH LINKS WHEN I CAN

I CAN GET MARRIED

PEOPLE OF THE SAME GENDER CAN NOW MARRY IN NEW ZEALAND
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    Brilliant! I feel happy for the people in NZ who have wanted this so long. Another step to equal rights for all.
    However, not to be cynical, but does anyone else feel that Westboro will be idiots again and criticise New Zealand for this and say something like "you will all burn in hell!"?
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    Old April 17th, 2013 (2:13 AM). Edited April 17th, 2013 by Her.
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    just clearing things up

    it's not formally legal but the bill has passed it's third reading which means it'll be announced and made legal very soon but yeah!!! rejoice!!!
    the bill itself comes into effect around august

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    - same-sex couples can get legally married (not just civil unions, though these are still available to any couple of whatever sex/es) - it will be up to religious organisations to decide for themselves whether to offer same-sex marriage
    - transgender people, who got married as their assigned gender but later want to officially change to their preferred gender, don’t have to get a divorce as part of doing that, which they used to be required to do, which was pretty goddamn mean (it’s not part of this law but we recently got a change meaning that you can change the gender listed on your NZ passport with a simple signed declaration, and you can choose ‘X’ instead of ‘M’ or ‘F’ if you prefer, which I think is A Good Thing)
    - those same-sex married couples will be able to adopt children together if they want to
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    I think that this was a very smart and correct decision that New Zealand made. Now I'm hoping Australia will follow in their footsteps.
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      I don't approve in such practice, I'm sory to say. I don't mean to critisize you all, but I hate such practices that becomes taboo in the world. It destroys the meaning of marriage. What I hope and pray is that the other nations wouldn't follow.
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      Finally! Is it just me or is New Zealand far more free thinking than other countries? I'm pretty certain they were the first to let women vote too.

      I can only hope that us Aussies will learn from our neighbours and finally put all this ridiculousness behind us, if two people love each other they should be allowed to marry no matter what their sexual orientation is. I hope that once again New Zealand will have set a trend in open-mindedness.
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      That's fantastic! I'm so happy for New Zealand and I'm happy for you as well, Chris! <3 I only hope that other countries can follow in NZ's footsteps. :)
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        Though I don't 100% support homosexual marriage, I do support equal rights and others' rights to decisions like that (as long as they're not getting in my face about it lol). I'm glad New Zealand has made this decision overall. I know there are a lot of people who will benefit from this.

        Also reminds me of the movie Milk.
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        I don't approve in such practice, I'm sory to say. I don't mean to critisize you all, but I hate such practices that becomes taboo in the world. It destroys the meaning of marriage. What I hope and pray is that the other nations wouldn't follow.
        ....Russians denying people basic civil rights isn't anything new. Good to see that Moscow's propaganda is working and it's as autocratic and cruel as ever.
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          I don't approve in such practice, I'm sory to say. I don't mean to critisize you all, but I hate such practices that becomes taboo in the world. It destroys the meaning of marriage. What I hope and pray is that the other nations wouldn't follow.
          What is the meaning of marriage?
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          This is great, happy to see another country that will allow gay marriage, if only the US would do the same, but Im sorry to say I doubt it will ever be legal everywhere in the US :(
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            Not really a supporter of this but good to see equal rights going in the right direction I guess.

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            ....Russians denying people basic civil rights isn't anything new. Good to see that Moscow's propaganda is working and it's as autocratic and cruel as ever.
            This, on the other hand, is disgusting.
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            Not really a supporter of this but good to see equal rights going in the right direction I guess.


            This, on the other hand, is disgusting.
            Just pointing out the obvious irony there.
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            ....Russians denying people basic civil rights isn't anything new. Good to see that Moscow's propaganda is working and it's as autocratic and cruel as ever.
            Don't blame it on him coming from Russia, nor their government. It's always been conservative under Orthodox Christianity, and don't forget that many adhere to Islam as well. The Communists under the Soviet Union couldn't even kill religion, so I think that bears testament to the culture's currents. Communists, as you know, espouse equal civil rights for all people and view everybody with having the same dignity - but the Church and Stalin had their way. No propaganda is necessary for people to have old-fashioned views. In fact, Russian society is becoming more liberal all the time. It's no longer viewed as a mental disorder. The conflict you see between liberals and reactionaries okay conservatives (reactionaries is a bit strong) is largely due to the backlash against a liberalizing society. Russia being a democracy and Putin being a conservative politician, means political forces can piggy-back on the undercurrents of society. I think it's a generalization, but I tend to blame everything that goes wrong in a democracy on the people, instead of the government.
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            Don't blame it on him coming from Russia, nor their government. It's always been conservative under Orthodox Christianity, and don't forget that many adhere to Islam as well. The Communists under the Soviet Union couldn't even kill religion, so I think that bears testament to the culture's currents. Communists, as you know, espouse equal civil rights for all people and view everybody with having the same dignity - but the Church and Stalin had their way. No propaganda is necessary for people to have old-fashioned views. In fact, Russian society is becoming more liberal all the time. It's no longer viewed as a mental disorder. The conflict you see between liberals and reactionaries okay conservatives (reactionaries is a bit strong) is largely due to the backlash against a liberalizing society. Russia being a democracy and Putin being a conservative politician, means political forces can piggy-back on the undercurrents of society. I think it's a generalization, but I tend to blame everything that goes wrong in a democracy on the people, instead of the government.
            The Russian government has slowly slid back into throws of Autocracy for years now, and has gradually chipped away at civil rights, stepped up censorship, etc, and much of it is Putin's doing. Medvedev is/was just a puppet. Does Cloyster Riot ring any bells?

            Regardless, the world is trending towards marriage equality, and it's good to see New Zealand make progress. More countries would be wise to follow suit.
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            How can people say they support equal rights when they're against gay marriage? Doesn't make much sense to me.... very hypocritical if I must say so myself.

            It's so awesome to see New Zealand heading into the right direction. Marriage isn't a unification between a man and a woman; rather, it's the unification between two people who love each other and want to share that love with one another. I'm super happy for the people of NZ. :]

            Support for marriage equality and the LGBT community has risen significantly within the past few years all across the world, and I hope that continues, and hopefully many other countries follow behind New Zealand's footsteps. :D
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              Progress! I'm glad to see that it's passed nation-wide for New Zealand. It would be nice to see more countries following their lead, though it'll probably be a slow process. For now though, I'm happy for any LGBT New Zealanders!
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              How can people say they support equal rights when they're against gay marriage? Doesn't make much sense to me.... very hypocritical if I must say so myself.
              Well, not every people share your mentality. They grew up in different ways than you did.
              Anyways, even if I'm not a big fan of homosexual marriage, I am happy that same-sex marriage has been approved. Gays deserves the rights to love themselves freely.
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              Well, not every people share your mentality. They grew up in different ways than you did.
              Anyways, even if I'm not a big fan of homosexual marriage, I am happy that same-sex marriage has been approved. Gays deserves the rights to love themselves freely.
              Even if you don't share my mentality, people shouldn't go around saying, "yeah, I'm all for equality except I don't really approve of gay marriage." I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but doesn't marriage equality make up a large component of equality in general? I was merely stating that people shouldn't be gloating that they're all for equality except don't approve of gay marriage, because it just makes those people seem like hypocrites and bigots.
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              Maybe when Julia Gillard sees how happy people are that New Zealand legalised gay marriage, she might actually realise in the end that legalising gay marriage is the right thing to do. Rather than having people move to New Zealand so they can marry the person they love.
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              Thanks in part to this, there is going to be an entire generation of people in NZ who will grow up thinking that there's nothing out of the ordinary for two people of the same sex to be married, to raise children together, to be a family, and that is, to use Harlequin's phrase, A Good Thing.
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                Even if you don't share my mentality, people shouldn't go around saying, "yeah, I'm all for equality except I don't really approve of gay marriage." I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but doesn't marriage equality make up a large component of equality in general? I was merely stating that people shouldn't be gloating that they're all for equality except don't approve of gay marriage, because it just makes those people seem like hypocrites and bigots.
                Disapproving doesn't necessarily mean "against." Like I said earlier, I'm not a big fan of homosexual marriage or unions, partly due to religious background and because I find it unnatural.

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                Just because I feel that way, doesn't mean that should decide if two people who love each other can or cannot get married. That's their decision, and I ought not have a part in interfering with it. They are consenting, legal adults who can think for themselves and who know what's best for them. I don't. Why should my mentality keep them from marrying? That's not fair at all.

                I believe that everyone is equal as human beings, which means every human being gets the same rights regardless sexual orientation, gender, "class," etc. I can still support equal rights for all and still retain my own thoughts about the topic. People can do what they want; if they're not in my face about it, I won't throw my disapproval in their faces. The world would work well this way imo.

                Again, I shall reiterate: New Zealand has done a great thing for universal human rights in that country and if other countries follow suit, that's great. No one ought to deny others basic rights like these simply because of personal opinion, mentality or judgment. Those kinds of things ought to be kept out of politics.
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                Thanks in part to this, there is going to be an entire generation of people in NZ who will grow up thinking that there's nothing out of the ordinary for two people of the same sex to be married, to raise children together, to be a family, and that is, to use Harlequin's phrase, A Good Thing.
                That's such a heart warming way to put it, Scarf. <3 Makes me feel all fuzzy inside and I just wish that people in the US could grow up and see what NZ will get to see now.
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                The waves are breaking, against the shores of Waiapu,
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                Oh my beloved, come back to me, my heart is breaking for love for you.

                I have written you a letter, and enclosed with it my ring,
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                Oh girl, come back to me, my heart is breaking for love for you.

                My poor pen is broken, my paper is spent,
                But my love for you endures, and remains forever more.

                Oh my beloved, come back to me, my heart is breaking for love for you.

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                Being kept evergreen, by the falling of my tears.

                Oh girl, Come back to me, I could die of love for you.
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