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Old May 1st, 2013 (5:39 PM). Edited May 1st, 2013 by Krookodile777.
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    My team is what you see on my trainer card

    And I feel like all of them really have their MVP like moments, but Krookodile not so much

    He sounds good on paper

    Choice Scarf
    Adamant Nature
    252 Attack/Speed EVs
    Crunch
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge
    Superpower

    But it seems like he has so many various weaknesses, and being locked into any one of those moves w/ the choice item is easily countered. There's plenty of stuff that doesn't get very hurt by alot of that

    If I don't use the scarf he gets outsped by alot of things and then still gets one or two shot because of how many various weaknesses Krookodiles have.

    Weak to : Water, Grass, Ice, Fighting, Bug. That's 5 weaknesses D: between them someone almost always has an answer to Krookodile on just about any given pokemon....

    As you could assume from my username I think Krookodile is cool, and I kinda came to really like him in Black/White 1 while mostly playing against the dumb CPU NPCs.... he wreaks total havoc on the brainless computers, but against real people he is my stand out LVP (Least valuable player) D:

    The rest of my team can be seen in my trainer card in my sig

    Using a team weakness/strength calculator it seems I got a major weak spot against ground so I think I need something that has massive resistance to ground sorts

    So what I came up with is Gliscor, but the questions are

    1.Should I do something instead of Gliscor?

    2.How should I build Gliscor? I'd really rather not run a boring & annoying substitute spam defensive build.

    Would it be any good to just do

    Gliscor :
    Adamant/Jolly
    Attack/Speed/(Maybe HP?) EVs
    Toxic Orb

    Ice Fang
    Earthquake
    Swords Dance
    Acrobatics (Or something else? What else? Acrobatics sounds weak w/o Flying gem.)

    IDK, so what do you think I should do?

    Get a Gliscor and run it my way? Get a Gliscor and run it some other way? Get some entirely different pokemon? Keep Krookodile when he's clearly a failure compared to my other pokemon? :/

    Edit :

    Maybe since Toxic Orbs heal is a fixed fraction of 1/8 max hp I should pile on 252 HP & 252 Speed EVs

    & Then... have Jolly nature, then hopefully outspeed almost anything, hopefully live to set up a swords dance & then wreak havoc?

    But then I'd be left with only 2 attacks, 1 has to be earthquake since it's powerful STAB, but then the 2nd?

    Toxic & keep hiding behind substitutes & healing w/ the toxic orb neutralizing the substitute damage?

    Ice fang in case of dragons?

    Acrobatics even though it's low base damage because it's a 2nd STAB?!

    Hmmm.....

    If I take Toxic & Earthquake I'd be literally unable to hurt Gengars but that's only 1 pokemon out of like 700.... of course Toxic wouldn't do jack squat to steel pokemon either. hmmmm.... decisions decisions... I hate the 4 move limit lol
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    Old May 1st, 2013 (6:00 PM).
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    Move sets for the rest of your Pokémon would be greatly appreciated here.

    Anyway, Blaziken is deemed an Uber in the competitive environment because of its Dream World ability, Speed Boost.

    Also, just by looking at the team, Choice Scarf Kyurem-B can run over it. Since Krookodile, Garchomp and Gliscor share an Ice weakness, you'll need to find something else that can take Ice moves easily besides Empoleon.

    But if you really want a physical wall that badly, look no further than Gliscor:
    -Substitute
    -Toxic
    -Protect/Taunt/Roost
    -Earthquake
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    or
    -Earthquake
    -Taunt/Toxic
    -Toxic/Ice Fang/Stealth Rock
    -Protect/Roost
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/248 Def/16 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal

    or
    -Swords Dance
    -Earthquake
    -Acrobatics
    -Substitute/Agility/Rock Polish
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Flying Gem
    Ability: Hyper Cutter

    or
    -Substitute
    -Baton Pass
    -Earthquake
    -Taunt/Agility/Swords Dance
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 244 HP/28 Def/236 Spe
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
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    Old May 1st, 2013 (6:19 PM). Edited May 1st, 2013 by Krookodile777.
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      Well I'm not worried about Kyruems cause I just do wifi random battles and occasionally manage to get friend code people for 6 on 6 where I tell them no legendaries

      So I'll never have to face a Kyurem

      But all the OR's make it confusing, like which would really be the best

      & If you insist here is what I got on the rest

      Blaziken
      Adamant/Fist Plate/Speed Boost (ATK/SPEED EVs)
      Hi Jump Kick
      Blaze Kick
      Swords Dance
      Protect

      Empoleon
      Modest/Leftovers/Torrent/(Special ATK/Speed EVs)
      Scald
      Ice Beam
      Grass Knot
      Flash Cannon
      (Sometimes I think Special ATK/HP would actually better serve Empoleon, he's always going last most of the time anyway.....what do you think?)

      Gengar
      Modest/Fire Gem/Levitate (Spec ATK/Speed EVS)
      Ghost ball
      Destiny Bond
      Focus Blast
      Hidden Power Fire

      Jolteon
      Modest/Ice Gem/Volt absorb (Special ATK/Speed EVS)
      Hidden power ice
      Thunderbolt
      Signal beam (whatever that bug beam is)
      Volt switch

      Garchomp
      Adamant/Choice Band/Rough Skin/ Attk & Speed EVs
      Outrage
      Dragon Claw
      Earthquake
      Fire Fang

      Well there you have it, and I especially wonder about getting another Empoleon with stacked HP instead of speed because honestly he goes 2nd in most cases anyway..

      Edit :

      TBH with ya I'm sparing myself the time & hassle by just perfecting them with Pokedit.com I did a test battle on wifi real quick and Gliscor & Empoleon combined check just about everything you can think of, throw in Blaziken or Garchomp to sweep up what's left of the enemies in 3v3 or even if it was 6v6 and it's a great combo it seems

      Oh and the Gliscor I'm trying has :

      Toxic Orb w/ Poison heal, Jolly nature, 252 HP/Speed EVs
      Roost
      Swords Dance
      Earthquake
      Ice Fang

      Since the only thing that's REALLY a threat to Gliscor is STAB ice beams/Blizzards, I can just swap into Empoleon if the enemy seems like something that could do it, so it's pretty complimentary
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      Old May 1st, 2013 (6:33 PM).
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      If you don't mind my asking, where'd you get that Blaziken? The DW Hoenn starters are events, you know. Like I said, Blaziken is an Uber in competitive play, but if you insist on keeping it:
      -Swords Dance
      -Flare Blitz
      -Hi Jump Kick
      -Protect
      Nature: Jolly/Adamant
      EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
      Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
      Ability: Speed Boost

      While Flash Cannon seems tempting to use on Empoleon as a secondary STAB, it provides no noteworthy coverage whatsoever:
      -Hydro Pump
      -Ice Beam
      -Grass Knot/Hidden Power (Grass)
      -Surf
      Nature: Modest
      EVs: 200 HP/252 SAtk/56 Spe
      Item: Choice Specs
      Ability: Torrent

      or
      -Substitute
      -Agility
      -Surf
      -Ice Beam/Grass Knot
      Nature: Modest
      EVs: 12 HP/4 Def/252 SAtk/240 Spe
      Item: Petaya Berry
      Ability: Torrent

      Tbh, Gengar and Jolteon should run Timid, as they need all the Speed they can get:

      Gengar:
      -Substitute
      -Disable/Pain Split/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power (Fire)
      -Shadow Ball (this is the correct attack name here; don't mess it up)
      -Focus Blast
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Black Sludge/Life Orb

      or
      -Substitute/Protect
      -Shadow Ball
      -Focus Blast
      -Hidden Power (Fire)
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb/Black Sludge

      Jolteon: Keep your set the same except change the nature to Timid. Signal Beam is the correct attack name. Modest is tempting, but this will allow base 120s with positive natures to outspeed it, so Timid is the preferred nature.

      Likewise, Garchomp should be Jolly, as Choice Band provides it with enough power already.
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      Old May 2nd, 2013 (8:12 PM).
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        Well what I ended up with that works really well for me is

        Gliscor
        Toxic Orb/Poison Heal
        Jolly Nature
        252 HP/Speed EVs
        Earthquake
        Ice Fang
        Protect
        Swords Dance

        I sware it's great It's not the typical cookie cutter Gliscors I've read off of various pages, but I like him this way alot better

        NOTHING can stop him except STAB special attack based ice moves.
        Physical ice moves will not even 1 shot him unless it's coming from an attack BEAST like Tyranitar.

        I can just use protect to scout for if someones going to do that, if they are I swap into Empoleon. Otherwise he's literally unstoppable :D
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        Old May 2nd, 2013 (9:41 PM).
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        Quote:
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        Well what I ended up with that works really well for me is

        Gliscor
        Toxic Orb/Poison Heal
        Jolly Nature
        252 HP/Speed EVs
        Earthquake
        Ice Fang
        Protect
        Swords Dance

        I sware it's great It's not the typical cookie cutter Gliscors I've read off of various pages, but I like him this way alot better

        NOTHING can stop him except STAB special attack based ice moves.
        Physical ice moves will not even 1 shot him unless it's coming from an attack BEAST like Tyranitar.

        I can just use protect to scout for if someones going to do that, if they are I swap into Empoleon. Otherwise he's literally unstoppable :D
        Interesting, but Swords Dance + Acrobatics is generally better, since a resisted STAB Acrobatics (without an item) outdamages a neutral STAB Ice Fang. Acrobatics has plenty of raw power once Flying Gem is consumed, making Gliscor more of an offensive threat. Plus, if Empoleon goes down, then Gliscor has a tendency to get revenge killed by faster Water/Ice Pokémon, like, say, Shell Smash Cloyster. Or Starmie.
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        Old May 14th, 2013 (2:33 PM).
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          Interesting, but Swords Dance + Acrobatics is generally better, since a resisted STAB Acrobatics (without an item) outdamages a neutral STAB Ice Fang. Acrobatics has plenty of raw power once Flying Gem is consumed, making Gliscor more of an offensive threat. Plus, if Empoleon goes down, then Gliscor has a tendency to get revenge killed by faster Water/Ice Pokémon, like, say, Shell Smash Cloyster. Or Starmie.
          Ehhh.... well I like the toxic orb healing and the ice fang is a nice surprise for dragons and other peoples Gliscors, you always need ice somewhere to deal with those or they'll run roughshot over a whole team

          Anyway,

          I've swapped out my Garchomp for a moxie Salamence

          & I don't feel happy with my gengar or Jolteon really, I kind of wonder what would compliment the rest of my team well besides those two?
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