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Old May 30th, 2013 (7:32 AM).
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    Hello Everyone,
    I want to start this off by saying this is my first time using a forum, so if I did something wrong, please correct me!

    Also, while I've played Pokemon avidly since '98 with Blue version, this is my first time trying out EV training and whatnot, so here's the rough-draft of the team I'll hope to have.

    Charizard:
    Air Slash
    Heat Wave
    Roost
    Dragon Pulse

    Lucario:
    Aura Sphere
    Psychic
    Extremespeed
    Dragon Pulse

    Zoroark:
    Flamethrower
    Night Burst/ Night Slash
    Aerial Ace
    U-Turn

    Eelektross:
    Thunder/Thunderbolt
    Giga Drain
    Flamethrower
    Flash Cannon

    Hydreigon:
    Outrage
    Flamethrower
    Crunch
    Earthquake

    Swampert:
    Hammer Arm
    Earthquake
    Waterfall
    Ice Punch

    Please let me know what you guys think, and any input is appreciated!

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    Old May 30th, 2013 (7:36 AM).
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    well to actually help you out i need to know your pokemon's ev spread,items and nature the team looks decent enough but pls mention the above and also hello
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    Old May 30th, 2013 (7:40 AM). Edited May 30th, 2013 by Bones822.
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      Right. As of now, I don't have items for any of them.
      Natures are:
      Charizard(modest)
      Lucario(modest)
      Zoroark(adamant)
      Eelektross(adamant)
      Hydreigon(modest)
      Swampert(adamant)

      The EV spread is not currently available, as I'm still in the process of actually training these bad boys. I don't want to screw them up.
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      Old May 30th, 2013 (8:58 AM).
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      It's better that you have the EV spreads right at this very moment. I'm afraid you have to do some re-breeding on your Pokémon:

      Let's face it; Charizard plain sucks in OU because of its 4x Stealth Rock weakness. While Volcarona also shares that weakness, it hits harder than Charizard does:
      -Quiver Dance
      -Fire Blast/Fiery Dance
      -Bug Buzz
      -Giga Drain/Hidden Power (Ground)
      Nature: Timid/Modest
      EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

      or
      -Quiver Dance
      -Fiery Dance
      -Bug Buzz
      -Roost
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 240 HP/252 Def/16 Spe
      Item: Leftovers

      or
      -Quiver Dance
      -Fire Blast/Fiery Dance
      -Bug Buzz
      -Rest
      Nature: Modest
      EVs: 160 HP/236 SAtk/116 Spe
      Item: Chesto Berry

      Mixed Lucario seems tempting, but it's tricky to split its offensive EVs. It's better off all-physical or all-special:
      -Swords Dance
      -Close Combat
      -ExtremeSpeed
      -Ice Punch/Crunch/Shadow Claw/Bullet Punch
      Nature: Adamant/Jolly
      EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb

      or
      -Nasty Plot
      -Aura Sphere
      -Dark Pulse/Shadow Ball
      -Vacuum Wave/Hidden Power (Ice)
      Nature: Modest/Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb

      In order for Zoroark to be on the team, you need someone on the team who can disguise it as something that can take Bug or Fighting moves (because Illusion makes Zoroark take on the appearance of the teammate in the last team slot, and it wears off if Zoroark gets it). Volcarona should be in the last slot of the team, since it resists both Bug and Fighting moves. Zoroark's moves need switching around. Aerial Ace doesn't serve any purpose besides hitting Fighting types super effectively, and a unSTABed neutral Focus Blast does as much as an unSTABed super effective Aerial Ace. U-turn doesn't see use unless Zoroark is Choiced. Adamant is a terrible nature on Zoroark, since it wastes away its excellent Special Attack:
      -Sucker Punch
      -Low Kick
      -Flamethrower
      -Dark Pulse/Hidden Power (Ice)
      Nature: Naughty
      EVs: 200 Atk/92 SAtk/216 Spe
      Item: Life Orb

      or
      -Dark Pulse
      -Focus Blast
      -Flamethrower/Hidden Power (Ice)
      -Trick/U-turn
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

      or
      -Swords Dance
      -Sucker Punch
      -Low Kick
      -Flamethrower/Night Slash
      Nature: Naughty
      EVs: 252 Atk/40 SAtk/216 Spe
      Item: Life Orb

      or
      -Nasty Plot
      -Dark Pulse
      -Focus Blast
      -Substitute/Flamethrower
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash

      Eelektross may seem tempting to use because of its lack of weaknesses and wide movepool, but it's just too slow. Rotom-W or Jolteon should replace it, as both are faster:

      Rotom-W:
      -Volt Switch
      -Hydro Pump
      -Will-o-Wisp
      -Pain Split/Hidden Power (Ice)
      Nature: Modest
      EVs: 232 HP/56 SAtk/220 Spe
      Item: Leftovers

      or
      -Volt Switch
      -Hydro Pump
      -Thunder Wave/Will-o-Wisp
      -Pain Split
      Nature: Calm
      EVs: 248 HP/28 SAtk/232 SDef
      Item: Leftovers

      or
      -Volt Switch
      -Hydro Pump
      -Hidden Power (Ice)
      -Trick/Thunderbolt
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

      Jolteon:
      -Thunderbolt
      -Volt Switch
      -Signal Beam
      -Hidden Power (Ice)
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
      Ability: Volt Absorb

      Hydreigon has a massive movepool, but some coverage moves are better to use than others:
      -Draco Meteor
      -Fire Blast
      -Superpower
      -Roost/Earthquake/Earth Power/Dark Pulse
      Nature: Rash/Mild
      EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Expert Belt/Life Orb

      or
      -Substitute
      -Dragon Pulse
      -Focus Blast
      -Fire Blast/Roost

      or
      -Draco Meteor
      -Focus Blast
      -Fire Blast/Flamethrower
      -U-turn/Dark Pulse
      Nature: Modest
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Choice Specs

      Since you have a Pokémon extremely vulnerable to Stealth Rock, a Rapid Spinner is pretty much mandatory to get said hazard off the field. Starmie fills that slot in nicely:
      -Hydro Pump/Surf
      -Psyshock/Thunderbolt
      -Ice Beam/Recover
      -Rapid Spin
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
      Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
      Ability: Natural Cure

      or
      -Scald
      -Rapid Spin
      -Psyshock/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
      -Recover
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 248 HP/36 Def/224 Spe
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Natural Cure
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