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Old May 26th, 2013 (3:07 PM).
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    jw, when building a team around kingler, should i put together a more defensive team or maybe a more offensive team or strive for a balanced team

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    jw, when building a team around kingler, should i put together a more defensive team or maybe a more offensive team or strive for a balanced team
    Kingler is an offensive 'mon naturally, so it can fit on hyper offense (with Dual Screen support) or balanced teams.
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    Old May 28th, 2013 (5:42 AM). Edited May 28th, 2013 by WolfMirage.
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      jw, acording to smogon kingdra only real useful in rain team, do u think it can used succefully outside of rain team, i mean it very well balance and dose not have a wide move pool and only one weakness to boot, i was thinking what if it had subitute and return and u used that that to pass the subitute along to another poke, now i know jotlten is faster for doing this, but on the flip side jotlten is more frail then kingdra
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      jw, acording to smogon kingdra only real useful in rain team, do u think it can used succefully outside of rain team, i mean it very well balance and dose not have a wide move pool and only one weakness to boot, i was thinking what if it had subitute and return and u used that that to pass the subitute along to another poke, now i know jotlten is faster for doing this, but on the flip side jotlten is more frail then kingdra
      It's useful in manual rain teams. Because Swift Swim + Drizzle is banned in OU, Kingdra also is useful for checking opposing rain teams on a weatherless team, since it takes advantage of the opposing Politoed's Drizzle.

      Kingdra also has absolutely no use for Return, since its Water and Dragon STAB moves have good enough neutral coverage already. It also can't learn Baton Pass.
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      Old May 28th, 2013 (6:12 AM). Edited May 28th, 2013 by WolfMirage.
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        i was wondering what if it is on a weatherless team and not being used to checked rain team, can it still be a good poke, or is it useless

        smogon dose give an optin of Substitute + Dragon Dance and it says u can use either Swift Swim or sniper

        what i use its sniper ability with Focus Energy to raise its chance of getting crital hits and do u think it would be wise to mix kingdra which is the uu teir with pokes form ou teirs
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        i was wondering what if it is on a weatherless team and not being used to checked rain team, can it still be a good poke, or is it useless

        smogon dose give an optin of Substitute + Dragon Dance and it says u can use either Swift Swim or sniper

        what i use its sniper ability with Focus Energy to raise its chance of getting crital hits and do u think it would be wise to mix kingdra which is the uu teir with pokes form ou teirs
        Kingdra is still a good Pokémon in its own right.

        Sniper is still useful, but Focus Energy is never a good option competitively, as not only is it a waste of a moveslot (which could be easily taken up by Waterfall, Substitute or Outrage), but relying on critical hits is an unwise strategy.

        OU Pokémon can't be used in UU tiers and below.
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          thanks for good advice, i found useful
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          Old May 29th, 2013 (5:36 AM).
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            what i good baton pass user to use with gyarados and evolite magneton, cause my plan was to use the baton pass to pass a subitite along and maybe a quick boost to, u know like dragon dance or swords dance
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            what i good baton pass user to use with gyarados and evolite magneton, cause my plan was to use the baton pass to pass a subitite along and maybe a quick boost to, u know like dragon dance or swords dance
            Gyarados can just simply boost its own Attack and Speed with Dragon Dance, so BP'ing it Attack and Speed boosts is unnecessary. Unless you need the extra Speed and bulk, Magnezone is still the better option over Magneton. Venomoth or Smeargle can Baton Pass Magneton/Magnezone Special Attack and Speed boosts:

            Venomoth:
            -Sleep Powder
            -Quiver Dance
            -Baton Pass
            -Bug Buzz
            Nature: Timid
            EVs: 248 HP/8 SAtk/252 Spe
            Item: Black Sludge
            Ability: Tinted Lens

            Smeargle:
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            -Shell Smash
            -Baton Pass
            -Taunt/Ingrain
            Nature: Timid
            EVs: 80 Atk/96 Def/80 SDef/252 Spe
            Item: Focus Sash
            Ability: Own Tempo
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            Old May 29th, 2013 (9:06 AM). Edited May 29th, 2013 by WolfMirage.
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              oh i thought the extra bulk and speed would come in handy

              so far heres my thought for my team build, please help with any thought.

              Gyarados, Venomoth, Magneton, starmie, skarmory(for spikes), arcanine
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              Old May 30th, 2013 (4:25 AM).
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                the only reason that im not posting a rmt thread is cause i have not yet began breeding for these poke and i not decide nature or evs yet.

                1)Gyarados
                abilitly: moxie
                ~ Substitute / Taunt
                ~ Dragon Dance
                ~ Waterfall
                ~ Bounce

                2)Magneton
                abilitly: Magnet Pull
                ~ Substitute
                ~ Thunderbolt
                ~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Fighting
                ~ Volt Switch / Charge Beam

                3)venomoth
                abilitly: Tinted Lens
                ~ Baton Pass
                ~ Quiver Dance
                ~ Sleep Powder
                ~ Bug Buzz

                4)Arcanine
                abiltly: Intimidate
                ~ Flare Blitz
                ~ ExtremeSpeed
                ~ Wild Charge / Crunch
                ~ Close Combat / Morning Sun

                5)skarmory
                abilitly: Sturdy
                ~ Stealth Rock
                ~ Spikes
                ~ Brave Bird
                ~ Taunt

                6)Starmie
                ability: natural cure
                ~ Rapid Spin
                ~ Scald
                ~ Psyshock / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
                ~ Recover
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                the only reason that im not posting a rmt thread is cause i have not yet began breeding for these poke and i not decide nature or evs yet.

                1)Gyarados
                abilitly: moxie
                ~ Substitute / Taunt
                ~ Dragon Dance
                ~ Waterfall
                ~ Bounce

                2)Magneton
                abilitly: Magnet Pull
                ~ Substitute
                ~ Thunderbolt
                ~ Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Fighting
                ~ Volt Switch / Charge Beam

                3)venomoth
                abilitly: Tinted Lens
                ~ Baton Pass
                ~ Quiver Dance
                ~ Sleep Powder
                ~ Bug Buzz

                4)Arcanine
                abiltly: Intimidate
                ~ Flare Blitz
                ~ ExtremeSpeed
                ~ Wild Charge / Crunch
                ~ Close Combat / Morning Sun

                5)skarmory
                abilitly: Sturdy
                ~ Stealth Rock
                ~ Spikes
                ~ Brave Bird
                ~ Taunt

                6)Starmie
                ability: natural cure
                ~ Rapid Spin
                ~ Scald
                ~ Psyshock / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt
                ~ Recover
                Natures and EVs are easy to determine based on the set:
                Since Gyarados is using the bulky Dragon Dance set, it should use a Jolly nature with 88 HP/248 Atk/4 Def/168 Spe. Item should be Leftovers.

                Magneton can use a SubCharge set:
                -Substitute
                -Charge Beam
                -Thunderbolt
                -Flash Cannon/Hidden Power (Fire)
                Nature: Timid
                EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Eviolite
                Ability: Magnet Pull

                See one of my previous posts about Venomoth.

                Arcanine is outclassed in OU. Its Attack and movepool are decent, but its Speed still falls short. Infernape should be used here:
                -Flare Blitz
                -Close Combat
                -U-turn
                -ThunderPunch/Mach Punch
                Nature: Jolly
                EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
                Item: Choice Band

                or
                -Overheat/Fire Blast
                -Close Combat
                -ThunderPunch/Stone Edge
                -Hidden Power (Ice)/U-turn/Mach Punch/Grass Knot
                Nature: Naive/Hasty
                EVs: 180 Atk/76 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt

                or
                -Fake Out
                -Stealth Rock
                -Overheat
                -Close Combat
                Nature: Naive/Hasty
                EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Focus Sash

                or
                -Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
                -Close Combat
                -U-turn
                -Hidden Power (Ice)/Stone Edge
                Nature: Naive/Hasty
                EVs: 36 Atk/220 SAtk/252 Spe
                Item: Choice Scarf

                Skarmory should use a Careful or Impish nature with 224 HP/252 Def/32 Spe.

                Looks like Starmie is using bulky Rapid Spin, so the EV spread should be 248 HP/36 Def/224 Spe. Item should be Leftovers.
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                  so do u think ill have any troulb covering any bases/elements in battles
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                    What should my set up be for my infernape , I usually tank everything with my starter but I am looking for a good team and not just destroy with one pokemon. I am new to platinum and would like some input on what a good team would be.
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                      I have two Murkrows that Im using a Careful Perish Trap. Which one would be better for this. I know it requires high IV for HP Def and Sp Def but these two only have good def.

                      First one all in IVs

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                      Def 31
                      SpD 23

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                      Def 29
                      Sp Def 11

                      I didnt include Atk and Sp Atk because they are irrelevant to this Perish trap and both Spd Ivs are 31.
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                        I'm just wondering if this would be a good Emboar set, trying to do something different. Rollout would be doubled by the Defense Curl while both Work Up and Flame Charge are used to boost Spe. and Att. with a balanced build looking for power in a Rollout and multiturn use by staying alive with Leftovers.

                        Emboar/Adamant/Blaze/Leftovers

                        Defense Curl, Rollout, Work Up, Flame Charge
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                        I'm just wondering if this would be a good Emboar set, trying to do something different. Rollout would be doubled by the Defense Curl while both Work Up and Flame Charge are used to boost Spe. and Att. with a balanced build looking for power in a Rollout and multiturn use by staying alive with Leftovers.

                        Emboar/Adamant/Blaze/Leftovers

                        Defense Curl, Rollout, Work Up, Flame Charge
                        Defense Curl/Rollout isn't a good strategy because it takes time to set up, and the time that Emboar spends on the field is better off done by spamming Flare Blitz or a coverage move. Rollout also forces Emboar to stay on the field until it misses, making it prone to being revenge killed, and its low Speed doesn't help the issue. This set is ideal on what Emboar does best: hitting hard with base 123 Attack:
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                        -Wild Charge
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                        Nature: Jolly/Adamant
                        EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe (Jolly) or 236 HP/252 Atk/20 Spe (Adamant)
                        Item: Choice Scarf (Jolly)/Choice Band (Adamant)
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                          Old June 10th, 2013 (6:01 PM). Edited June 10th, 2013 by WolfMirage.
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                            i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
                            use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

                            jw will this really work

                            i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
                            use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

                            jw will this really work
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                            i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
                            use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

                            jw will this really work

                            i read an interesting ideal on smogon, well 2 sum it fast
                            use lvl 1 aaron with sturdy ability and item shell bell and move endeavor, the plan is 2 let aaron get hit, have its strudy ability kick in and leave it with 1 hp and then use endeavor and let shell bell hell it up.

                            jw will this really work
                            Some people have used FEAR Aron to some degree of success, though it does require a bit of team support to work. Tyranitar/Hippowdon must be on the team to let the sandstorm chip away the last bit of the opponent's health, provided it isn't Rock/Ground/Steel. Entry hazards must be off the field, since they ruin Sturdy, so Rapid Spin/Magic Bounce support is absolutely mandatory:
                            -Endeavor
                            -Protect
                            -Toxic
                            -Hidden Power (Rock)
                            Nature: Timid
                            EVs: 252 SAtk/252 Spe
                            Item: Shell Bell
                            Ability: Sturdy
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                              I'm working on my first real competitive team for doubles matches and need some serious help. I've never played competitively and though I have a grasp of EVs and natures, I can't seem to find synergy in the team I've put together. Ill accept any suggestions you might have with a completely open mind. I'm not expecting perfection, just better cohesion.

                              Here is what I have. I'm holding off on EV training and such until I can get it right. I've tried the set on pokemon showdown with my Krookodile and Tornadus-T in tow but I can't seem to find the right balance and I have no way to stop weather teams as of yet.

                              Thunderus-T (planning on building him for special Atk and Spd.)
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                              Heatran (bulk and special attack seem to be the best option here)

                              I'm not sure of the last two members especially since I just dropped Tornadus-T from the list. However, the tournament rules for the June international say we will only be using four of six pokes anyway.
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                                Anyone have ideas who can go well with a Stalling chansey shuckle team?
                                Tbh, Shuckle isn't that good. Its typing sucks and its low HP offsets its high defenses.

                                Anyway, if you're aiming for a stall team, Whimsicott is a good candidate to include:
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                                Nature: Bold/Impish
                                EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
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                                  Tbh, Shuckle isn't that good. Its typing sucks and its low HP offsets its high defenses.

                                  Anyway, if you're aiming for a stall team, Whimsicott is a good candidate to include:
                                  -Encore
                                  -Leech Seed
                                  -Substitute/U-turn
                                  -Stun Spore/Taunt
                                  Nature: Bold/Impish
                                  EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
                                  Item: Leftovers
                                  Ability: Prankster
                                  I was mainly using shuckle for its guard swap to chansey. I was thinking of Whimsicott with TR or a TR set.
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                                  I was mainly using shuckle for its guard swap to chansey. I was thinking of Whimsicott with TR or a TR set.
                                  Remember that in a VGC environment, the pace is a lot more faster compared to singles, so there's no time to stall and you're better off with bulky attackers, fast attackers and/or bulky supporters (and by bulky supporters, I mean those with Helping Hand, Reflect, Light Screen, Follow Me, etc.).
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