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Old June 17th, 2013 (11:12 AM).
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    For single type it could be full words but for double maybe they are abridged to fit in ?
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    Old June 17th, 2013 (11:45 AM). Edited June 17th, 2013 by metalhand.
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      New Pokémon “Elvany,” Flying/Fairy, “will be revealed soon.”
      “Tame Park” allows you to deposit up to 3 pokemon for one day, and trade PokéTokens to raise EV’s.
      Dunsparce, Mawile, Stantler, Sableye will get new evolutions
      Two boys, “Tofune” and “Mika” will challenge the player through out the game; one with long hair, another with spikes and a purple striped shirt. seems to be connected to the plot.
      Pangoro does exist, with a punk hairstyle and green fur “gloves.” A new ability that Pangoro has will allow the holder to steal items during battle, called “Vandal Heart,” is also mentioned.
      Skrelp evolves into Weedra, with it’s type not changing(Poison/Water), and learns the moves belch and signal beam.
      Clauncher evolves twice, and into a Water/Electric type, with a new move “Blister Blast,” a water type move that is super effective to flying types as well as fire, rock, and ground.
      “Kale” is the second gym leader, with blond hair and a “androgyne style.” Uses fairy types and the aforementioned Elvany.

      those are all rumers that i saw in pokejungle, they say it originally from 4chan
      what do you think?
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      Old June 17th, 2013 (1:00 PM).
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      "Dunsparce, Mawile, Stantler, Sableye will get new evolutions"

      Please, please, please be true. I love Mawile, Stantler and Sableye so I'd love for those to get evolutions to make them stronger! As for Dunsparce I definitely think it's long over due for an evolution, so even though these are just rumors right now I do hope these turn out to be true.
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        If that rumor is true it would be likely that you could be growing berries yourself in this game. maby other types would have a move like that. so maby you have a specific berrie for every type, that would be pretty cool
        it would be cool if they implemented breeding berries together.
        i.e. oran + razz = a different berrie that you cant find in the wild
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          I'm not sure how I feel about Clauncher evolving into a Water/Electric type. It's a cool typing and all but so far I've been considering Helioptile and Clauncher for my team....so there's going to be an awkward clash between the two if Clauncher becomes electric type.
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          Old June 19th, 2013 (4:48 PM). Edited June 19th, 2013 by pedrito3_poke.
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            Well considering the rivals rumour just got busted, then we can consider some of these rumours false, and tbh, I still doubt the dual type attacks as that could not work, at all, plus we saw the pokemon move screen, there's no room for a second type icon.
            Maybe we have been misinterpreting it.
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            A few attacks will be dual-typed. (WPM Note: Many people are interpreting this as an attack shooting out two types at once, but it could just be that the attack switches types under certain conditions or something like that.)
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            Old June 19th, 2013 (5:05 PM).
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              Maybe we have been misinterpreted it.
              Dual Type means 2 types. For and attack to be dual type it would have to be two types. Its not a misinterpretation. There are already moves that change element upon circumstances in the games. Nature Power, Nature's Gift, Secret Power, and Hidden Power. These are all classified as Normal attacks that can deal different typed Damage. The Damage type is what indicated STAB and Weakness/resistance so a Normal Pokemon using the attacks never get STAB or the attacks never get resisted or blocked by Normal Type's Resistance and Immunity checks despite them being Normal typed.

              They are however not Dual Typed attacks.
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              Old June 19th, 2013 (5:13 PM).
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                Dual Type means 2 types. For and attack to be dual type it would have to be two types. Its not a misinterpretation. There are already moves that change element upon circumstances in the games. Nature Power, Nature's Gift, Secret Power, and Hidden Power. These are all classified as Normal attacks that can deal different typed Damage. The Damage type is what indicated STAB and Weakness/resistance so a Normal Pokemon using the attacks never get STAB or the attacks never get resisted or blocked by Normal Type's Resistance and Immunity checks despite them being Normal typed.

                They are however not Dual Typed attacks.
                Yeah, I just posted what PokéBeach said about this, and I'll agree with you on this one.
                I don't think we've misinterpreted it, nor do I think that dual-typed moves will exist, so I think he got this one wrong.
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                  I feel like people are somewhat exaggerating how complicated dual type moves would be. It would take some getting used to for sure but I doubt people would be scratching their heads over it.

                  The difficulty in understanding it could depend on one thing though:

                  1. If you have a Water/Electric move, are the types independent of each other? (i.e is it super effective against Fire, Rock, Ground and Flying?)
                  2. Or do the types combine into one pseudo type? (i.e is it super effective against Fire, Rock, Flying but has no effect on Ground?)

                  If it's the first one I figure it's a lot simpler to understand, you're just appending the effectiveness of two types together rather than the latter which is adding them together.
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                  Yeah, I'm not too much of a fan of dual-typing moves. I think that'd be an overcomplication more than anything.
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                    Well, as I've said before, even if dual-type moves were to be introduced, I doubt it would be as complicated as most people seem to think. Don't forget that Pokémon games' main target are kids, so they wouldn't introduce such a complicated mechanism in a kids game.
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                      Well, as I've said before, even if dual-type moves were to be introduced, I doubt it would be as complicated as most people seem to think. Don't forget that Pokémon games' main target are kids, so they wouldn't introduce such a complicated mechanism in a kids game.
                      There are many complicated mechanics in the Pokemon game that deal with battle. Hidden Power, IVs, EVs. They are all complicated and hidden systems of the game that general players do not even bother with because of the difficulty and effort. Its used for the more experienced battle veterans.

                      Pokemon is a kids' game, but that doesn't mean that complicated systems are not in the games. Majority of children that play don't learn about EV training until a few years after.

                      It would be that complicated if introduced and would cause a large amount of trouble. Though its already been shown that there isn't room for second type buttons to appear on an attack's information page. Only thing they can do now is coded effects like Hidden Power, Natural Gift, Nature Power and Secret Power. Which would mean that they would not be Dual Typed attacks.
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                      Old June 20th, 2013 (2:22 PM).
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                        I disagree, and I feel like you're kind of simplifying something that shouldn't be simplified in the first place. Having dual-type moves would more or less significantly altar competitive play, as the types that were once known to be super-effective against others might not be super-effective anymore after gaining an additional type.

                        For example...Freeze Shock. An Ice move that had the potential to paralyze. What if it gained Electric has a second type, due to this? Now all of a sudden, you have a move that's completely walled by every single ground-type imaginable, and the move that was once considered super-effective now no longer has any effect whatsoever on the type that it's supposed to be super effective against.

                        And Scald. Would it have Water/Fire because of it's chance to burn? It's such a useful move in competitive play, but can Fire-types freely switch into scald without any fear of it causing super-effective damage? Would Heatran freely switch into Scald and get a free flash fire boost?

                        The point being from all of this is...if dual-type moves were to exist (and assuming that the aforementioned moves get an additional typing), it would make things unnecessarily complicated, and why? Why is there a necessity for dual-type moves, I don't see anything wrong with our moves being single-typed in any way, so why is it needed? Especially if future dual-type moves get introduced, what's going to happen then? It'll just be a mess of dual-type moves that aren't needed in the first place, nor do I think are they going to be needed anytime in the future. .___.;;
                        You didn't really read what I said. What you said only accounts for number 2 on my list of possibilities.

                        What I'm talking about in possibility number 1 is that if you have a Water/Electric dual type move, if a dual type attack means combining the effect of each type into one turn (rather than two seperate turns)....

                        So a Water/Electric type attack would hit a Ground type pokemon super effectively because of the Water part of the attack rather than the Electric part.

                        For all we know a dual type attack could just be two attacks of different types occurring in the same turn. So first up you have the water damage...and then the electric damage follows. Like using doubleslap where each individual slap is a different type.

                        We don't know how dual types will work right now. So at this point it's just a guessing game.
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                        Old June 20th, 2013 (3:03 PM).
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                          There are many complicated mechanics in the Pokemon game that deal with battle. Hidden Power, IVs, EVs. They are all complicated and hidden systems of the game that general players do not even bother with because of the difficulty and effort. Its used for the more experienced battle veterans.

                          Pokemon is a kids' game, but that doesn't mean that complicated systems are not in the games. Majority of children that play don't learn about EV training until a few years after.

                          It would be that complicated if introduced and would cause a large amount of trouble. Though its already been shown that there isn't room for second type buttons to appear on an attack's information page. Only thing they can do now is coded effects like Hidden Power, Natural Gift, Nature Power and Secret Power. Which would mean that they would not be Dual Typed attacks.
                          I'm well aware of those complicated algorithms behind Pokémon battles. But, as you said, those are more like hidden systems that we wouldn't even be aware of just by playing Pokémon games. We only know about them because, at some point, we wanted to know a little more about how the game works, so we searched about that stuff in the internet.

                          If we don't care about knowing all that stuff, we can still play Pokémon and be pretty good at it. We just have to know type advantages and abilities (or maybe just type advantages will do the job). So, Pokémon games, in a superficial view, are pretty basic and easy to understand. Even EVs are pretty basic imo.

                          So what I meant was that they wouldn't introduce anything complicated to the more superficial part of the game, the part that everyone who plays has to deal with and understand, which would include dual-typed moves.
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                            Dual Type attacks add nothing to the game. The whole point of have 4 moves is to limit the number of super-effective attacks you can do. The only thing Dual-Type Attacks can do is net more SE hits. It would defeat the purpose of having a move-set. At that point you might as well have Pokemon learn 6 moves or more.

                            Limiting a pokemon to 4 moves is a Good thing. It make each individual Pikachu unique as well as keeping the menus free of clutter. And it encourages more strategic choice of which moves to keep.

                            If you have played FF, WOW, or other RPGs you know this: There are 1-2 spells you spam, and a laundry list of 45 other spells you never use. Pokemon solves this problem. "Pick the 4 moves you want, the rest are garbage."

                            Dual Type Attacks are just poor game design that limits the number of creative choices the player can make.
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                              Old June 20th, 2013 (7:24 PM). Edited June 20th, 2013 by pedrito3_poke.
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                                Even if dual-typed moves were to introduced I don't think they would work like Sabrewulf238 explained.

                                I think it would simply be about fusing the two types in one attack, just like we fuse the two types' weaknesses/resistances in dual-typed Pokémon. For example:
                                Fighting moves are SE against: Normal, Ice, Rock, Dark, Steel
                                Fighting moves are NVE against: Poison, Flying, Psychic, Bug
                                Fighting moves have no effect on: Ghost
                                Ghost moves are SE against: Psychic, Ghost
                                Ghost moves are NVE against: Dark, Steel
                                Ghost moves have no effect on: Normal

                                So, a Fighting/Ghost move like Shadow Punch would:
                                be SE against: Ice, Rock
                                be NVE against: Poison, Flying, Psychic, Bug
                                have no effect on: Normal, Ghost

                                And Freeze Shock would:
                                be SE against: Flying (x4)
                                be NVE against: Fire, Ice, Steel
                                have no effect on: Ground

                                I've always agreed that some moves would make more sense if they were dual-typed, but imo this would make the game too complicated. It would just take too much time for one to calculate the effect that the attack would have in the opponent. Still, this would only be applied to a few attacks, so you wouldn't be forced to use it.

                                Also, about the lack of room for second type buttons to appear on an attack's information page, I don't think that's an obstacle if they want to make dual-typed moved. A single typed move would be like and a dual typed move would be like .
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                                  I totally agree with pedrito3_poke here. The lack of an extra type box can.be easily put to half. Good thoughts!
                                  But what if the Water/Electric move has a side effect in which it is SE against Flying type? That must be it and we have our answer now if you tell me.
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                                    i think you all misunderstood what dual-typed attacks are, this is pokebeach' explanation-
                                    "Many people are interpreting this as an attack shooting out two types at once, but it could just be that the attack switches types under certain conditions or something like that"
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                                    "Many people are interpreting this as an attack shooting out two types at once, but it could just be that the attack switches types under certain conditions or something like that"
                                    Now this would make some kind of sense. I really don't like the other option, as it would complicate things too much imo
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                                      i think you all misunderstood what dual-typed attacks are, this is pokebeach' explanation-
                                      "Many people are interpreting this as an attack shooting out two types at once, but it could just be that the attack switches types under certain conditions or something like that"
                                      I had already mentioned that:
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                                      Maybe we have been misinterpreting it.
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                                      A few attacks will be dual-typed. (WPM Note: Many people are interpreting this as an attack shooting out two types at once, but it could just be that the attack switches types under certain conditions or something like that.)
                                      Still, I don't think we misunderstood it. Those are not called dual-typed moves, so the leaker either got it wrong, or he was right and there will actually be dual-typed moves.
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                                        If I remember correctly, the guy we think is the source of this posted somewhere else saying that WPM calling the moves "dual-typed" was misleading- he was actually referring to moves that were listed as and took STAB from one type but that have the relations of another type. So like Psyshock, but with types.
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                                          The thing is i found a website yesterday on youtube about beta testing. Is Nintendo beta testing the pokemon x and y ?
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                                            Dsxcris, that looks like a virus downloader to me... It doesn't look as if it were officially made by Nintendo and if it were a beta, there'd be videos of the guy playing and not the guy explaining how to get it IMO.

                                            If anyone downloads it, make sure you have a strong antivirus and be prepared for the worst case scenario haha.
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                                            The thing is i found a website yesterday on youtube about beta testing. Is Nintendo beta testing the pokemon x and y ?
                                            Hell no. I'm 99% sure that is a virus. Beta tests like that are something you see for MMO's, not 3DS games. I don't even think a legit 3DS emulator even exists right now in the first place.
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