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Old July 25th, 2013 (7:51 PM). Edited January 14th, 2015 by wolf.
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        I am considering with my weather tank politoad team sap sipper Girafarig with a Skill Swap and have it swap abilities with politoad. Was wondering if that a decent Idea?
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        Old July 31st, 2013 (3:09 PM).
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        Singles or doubles? Bad idea either way. Girafarig is NU and can't withstand the assaults in OU and in doubles it's just not bulky or strong enough to do much of anything. It's also a waste of a moveslot for Girafarig. Anyhow, Politoed already sets rain once it's out. Why bother having Girafarig have Drizzle when the effect only takes place upon being sent onto the field?
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        Old July 31st, 2013 (3:27 PM).
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          Well the point wouldve been to have it skill swap sap sipper with drizzle, then have a DW Goldeen with Lightning Rod, but seeing that Seaking just has terrible stats overall it just didnt seem viable with it.
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          Well the point wouldve been to have it skill swap sap sipper with drizzle, then have a DW Goldeen with Lightning Rod, but seeing that Seaking just has terrible stats overall it just didnt seem viable with it.
          If you're hoping to make Golden/Seaking/Girafarig even somewhat viable in OU, you should probably stop there because regardless of the ability, their stats don't hold water (...ouch) to anything in the Overused tier which is why they aren't Overused in the first place.
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            Ok is there anyone viable to give protect against grass or electric against a rain team?
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              Have you considered Ferrothorn? It's a pretty common rain team wall for good reason and it's biggest weakness (fire) is weakened by the rain. It at least deserves some consideration.
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              Not quite sure what you are asking, but OU doesn't have too many electric types to choose from, but both Jolteon and Thundurus-T are great choices and both are immune to electric moves themselves.
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                Not quite sure what you are asking, but OU doesn't have too many electric types to choose from, but both Jolteon and Thundurus-T are great choices and both are immune to electric moves themselves.
                Looking for mons perferably with lightning rod/ Sap sipper abilities that can protect rain teams

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                Have you considered Ferrothorn? It's a pretty common rain team wall for good reason and it's biggest weakness (fire) is weakened by the rain. It at least deserves some consideration.
                Thats a sound idea actually and can drop its speed down to deal with TR teams
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                Well Thundurus-T and Jolteon don't have Lightning Rod as an ability, but they do have Volt Absorb which means they can switch in and take electric hits and restore HP. Also both can deal off a very powerful Thunder with perfect accuracy on a rain team.
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                Looking for mons perferably with lightning rod/ Sap sipper abilities that can protect rain teams



                Thats a sound idea actually and can drop its speed down to deal with TR teams
                While Manectric may not be OU, it has the Lightningrod ability to help against Electric Pokemon. It also has the power and Speed to pose an offensive threat, though Overheat/Flamethrower will be weakened in rain teams.
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                  Is cradlily really viable in NU? I've tried him a couple times and he seems to be really good. I get 3 stacks of stockpile, recovering if i have to, and just recover while my rock helm does my work for me. I also use my hidden move when I know I can get recover to go off next turn.

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                  Is cradlily really viable in NU? I've tried him a couple times and he seems to be really good. I get 3 stacks of stockpile, recovering if i have to, and just recover while my rock helm does my work for me. I also use my hidden move when I know I can get recover to go off next turn.

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                  Cradily indeed is viable in NU, even if there's no auto sand setters there. You're just using Cradily the wrong way. Stockpile just makes it a critical hit magnet. It's better off as a team supporter or as a bulky attacker:
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                  Item: Leftovers
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                  Additionally, if you're looking for straight up offense, you can go with SD Cradily. It's certainly not what Cradily's niche is, but it's nice for the surprise factor, despite being incredibly slow and easy to counter; its STAB doesn't make it easy to check, though, for the most part, apart from things like Eviolite Roselia.

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                    Is there a good set for a Rain dance Zapdos?
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                    Is there a good set for a Rain dance Zapdos?
                    Try this:
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                      Would you recommend that same set for a Rain team Zapdos? I meant to put Team instead of Dance -_-. Fail
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                      Would you recommend that same set for a Rain team Zapdos? I meant to put Team instead of Dance . Fail
                      If you have a backup Rain Dancer, replace Rain Dance with Heat Wave. Even though Heat Wave is weakened in the rain, it helps to deal with Ferrothorn.
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                        If you have a backup Rain Dancer, replace Rain Dance with Heat Wave. Even though Heat Wave is weakened in the rain, it helps to deal with Ferrothorn.
                        How about a Charti berry? Is that suitable? I have Life Orb going to someone else
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                        Charti or Yache Berry works. Use Damp Rock if you're using Rain Dance.
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                        Old August 12th, 2013 (7:51 AM). Edited August 12th, 2013 by WingedDragon.
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                          I guess this is a basic rain team that cant seem to do what Intend it to do which is power up Gastro a couple of turns while maintaining the rain advantage. Thats why I have a weather tank politoad.

                          Politoed (F) @ Wacan Berry
                          Trait: Drizzle
                          Level: 71
                          Shiny: Yes
                          EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 HP
                          Quiet Nature
                          IVs: 0 Spd
                          - Ice Beam
                          - Surf
                          - Encore
                          - Protect

                          Gastrodon (M) @ Rindo Berry
                          Trait: Storm Drain
                          Level: 64
                          EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
                          Bold Nature
                          - Ice Beam
                          - Surf
                          - Recover
                          - Stockpile

                          Kingdra (F) @ Dragon Gem
                          Trait: Swift Swim
                          Level: 71
                          Shiny: Yes
                          EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
                          Modest Nature
                          - Ice Beam
                          - Dragon Pulse
                          - Surf
                          - Protect

                          Kingdra is my muscle and my clean up hitter. Its presumed that Gastro will at least have a +1 Sp. Atk. Have Kingdra boost another level or two depending on the opponent. I use dragon gem when in a bigger bind or going for the KO blow. I try not using it unless its really necessary.

                          Zapdos @ Yache Berry
                          Trait: Pressure
                          Level: 86
                          EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
                          Modest Nature
                          - Thunder
                          - Heat Wave
                          - Protect
                          - Tailwind

                          Seemingly the soul propose for him is Thunder and taking out as many pokes as possible. I wind up not using tailwind even tho I had intended to use him to give boosts for non swim swift pokes, However 4 of the 6 have dreadful speed so tailwind would be pointless. Its HP is Dark so that wouldnt be happening giving it Hidden power

                          Toxicroak (M) @ Focus Sash
                          Trait: Dry Skin
                          Level: 57
                          EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
                          Adamant Nature
                          - Drain Punch
                          - Sucker Punch
                          - Taunt
                          - Protect

                          Originally He was used for taking Surf attacks. It wouldnt hurt him at all and he would recover, but it is soo frail and slower then Ideal just seems to be a liability then being useful. So probably wont keep him but want to know who I can replace him with.

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                          Level: 55
                          Shiny: Yes
                          EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
                          Adamant Nature
                          - Bullet Punch
                          - Meteor Mash
                          - Earthquake
                          - Protect

                          This one is used for bulk but a lot of strength. Seems like this guy should be in a TR then a rain team so not sure if its useful for this team
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                          I guess this is a basic rain team that cant seem to do what Intend it to do which is power up Gastro a couple of turns while maintaining the rain advantage. Thats why I have a weather tank politoad.

                          Politoed (F) @ Wacan Berry
                          Trait: Drizzle
                          Level: 71
                          Shiny: Yes
                          EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 HP
                          Quiet Nature
                          IVs: 0 Spd
                          - Ice Beam
                          - Surf
                          - Encore
                          - Protect

                          Gastrodon (M) @ Rindo Berry
                          Trait: Storm Drain
                          Level: 64
                          EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
                          Bold Nature
                          - Ice Beam
                          - Surf
                          - Recover
                          - Stockpile

                          Kingdra (F) @ Dragon Gem
                          Trait: Swift Swim
                          Level: 71
                          Shiny: Yes
                          EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
                          Modest Nature
                          - Ice Beam
                          - Dragon Pulse
                          - Surf
                          - Protect

                          Kingdra is my muscle and my clean up hitter. Its presumed that Gastro will at least have a +1 Sp. Atk. Have Kingdra boost another level or two depending on the opponent. I use dragon gem when in a bigger bind or going for the KO blow. I try not using it unless its really necessary.

                          Zapdos @ Yache Berry
                          Trait: Pressure
                          Level: 86
                          EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
                          Modest Nature
                          - Thunder
                          - Heat Wave
                          - Protect
                          - Tailwind

                          Seemingly the soul propose for him is Thunder and taking out as many pokes as possible. I wind up not using tailwind even tho I had intended to use him to give boosts for non swim swift pokes, However 4 of the 6 have dreadful speed so tailwind would be pointless. Its HP is Dark so that wouldnt be happening giving it Hidden power

                          Toxicroak (M) @ Focus Sash
                          Trait: Dry Skin
                          Level: 57
                          EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
                          Adamant Nature
                          - Drain Punch
                          - Sucker Punch
                          - Taunt
                          - Protect

                          Originally He was used for taking Surf attacks. It wouldnt hurt him at all and he would recover, but it is soo frail and slower then Ideal just seems to be a liability then being useful. So probably wont keep him but want to know who I can replace him with.

                          Metagross @ Occa Berry
                          Trait: Clear Body
                          Level: 55
                          Shiny: Yes
                          EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
                          Adamant Nature
                          - Bullet Punch
                          - Meteor Mash
                          - Earthquake
                          - Protect

                          This one is used for bulk but a lot of strength. Seems like this guy should be in a TR then a rain team so not sure if its useful for this team
                          Stockpile is useless in a VGC environment IMO. The game is way too fast paced to boost up your stats and Gastrodon may be KOed before it even gets a Stockpile up. Use Toxic or Earth Power instead, the former for crippling walls/support and the latter as a secondary STAB.

                          No need for max Speed on Zapdos; it can use a spread of 140 HP/252 SAtk/116 Spe to outspeed Adamant Mamoswine and max Speed Metagross before Tailwind.

                          Fake Out is worth considering on Toxicroak as it gets a free hit in and prevents opposing set up temporarily.

                          Also, this is good enough to be its own thread; Wolflare just has to approve it before it becomes visible.
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                            Can someone give me some suggestions for some support Pokemon? In game ive never delt with them much so i really have no clue about support pokemon.

                            And is there any real effective way to IV train without wanting to blow your brains out?

                            And do "tiers" actualy mean anything? aside from uber being generaly banned from standard battles , do tournys of these other "tiers happen?
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