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    Yesterday a friend told me that I shouldn't bother with Masuda breeding. He says that the Safari rate is the same as Masuda and obviously quicker (due to hatch time vs. wild pokemon encounter time). I would like everyone's opinion on this, since obviously I want to get a Shiny in the lowest amount of time.
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      Im not really sure about that, its not confirmed that the friend safari shiny rate is the same as the Masuda method, and the friend safari might not even have a higher shiny rate and its just a coincidence that a lot of people are getting shinnies in it, well if you are experienced with the Masuda method i think you should stay with that, if youre not i think that you could try the friend safari
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        Um..no Matsuda method has a higher chance of producing a Shiny than a wild encounter unless you do Radar or Fishing Chains. Since you can't do either in the Safari it still has the 1 in 8192. Matsuda Method has two different rates Gen 4's rate was 1/1638 and Gen 5's rate was 1/1365.

        If Matsuda's Method passed into Gen 6, those are the two possible rates we're looking at and both are better than finding in the wild.

        Also...its been discovered that the Oval Charm is in Gen 6 so there may be a chance that the Shiny Charm is too which stacks with both normal wild encounters and Matsuda Method lowering both to 1/2730 and 1/1024 respectively.
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          Um..no Matsuda method has a higher chance of producing a Shiny than a wild encounter unless you do Radar or Fishing Chains. Since you can't do either in the Safari it still has the 1 in 8192. Matsuda Method has two different rates Gen 4's rate was 1/1638 and Gen 5's rate was 1/1365.

          If Matsuda's Method passed into Gen 6, those are the two possible rates we're looking at and both are better than finding in the wild.

          Also...its been discovered that the Oval Charm is in Gen 6 so there may be a chance that the Shiny Charm is too which stacks with both normal wild encounters and Matsuda Method lowering both to 1/2730 and 1/1024 respectively.
          How do you know friend safari encounters have a 1/8192 chance for a shiny to appear? None of us know the shiny rate of the friend safari since the game hasn't been hacked yet.

          Anyways, I've found one shiny in the friend safari after about three hours of hunting. With the Masuda Method however, I've had no luck at all. I'm currently at 2111 eggs hatched, and no shiny Froakie yet.
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            All three of my shinies were from the Friend Safari and I got them all in about 6 hours of a 24 hour period. Haven't really gone hunting since. I tried the Masuda method for a couple of days with no luck. Not sure if this means that Friend Zones are at a higher rate, or that I just have no luck with breeding.
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            I've encountered hundreds of 'mons in Friend Safari with no Shiny luck. The odds may well have changed, but it's unlikely.
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              How do you know friend safari encounters have a 1/8192 chance for a shiny to appear? None of us know the shiny rate of the friend safari since the game hasn't been hacked yet.

              Anyways, I've found one shiny in the friend safari after about three hours of hunting. With the Masuda Method however, I've had no luck at all. I'm currently at 2111 eggs hatched, and no shiny Froakie yet.
              How do we know its different? Why should we assume its different? It has Pokemon in it to catch with same catch rates as they always have. I've gone through 10 hours of Safari hunting total and have not encountered a single shiny in it. Only Shiny I have found was Honedge while using Magnet Pull Nosepass.

              I got the hardest encounter rate catch before any of the easier encounter rate catches (MM Breeding, Chain Fishing (highest chain so far is 70), Radar Chaining (highest chain is 46).

              We've got no reason to assume its different since the Safari has only 2 purposes (as stated by the game, guide, and official sources) right now, getting older Pokemon and attaining hidden abilities.
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                Um..no Matsuda method has a higher chance of producing a Shiny than a wild encounter.
                I have been breeding for three days for one shiny and still nothing at all. And another two days for a different shiny also nothing at all. While i'm getting around two maybe three shinies in the span of 5-6 hours. That's at least better than wasting my time on Masuda method with 10+ hours on each day.
                This method is a lot better for me and less time consuming.
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                  but there's only a select few of shinies in the safari. what if I want a shiny pokemon not from there? Also what if I want to pass down a specific nature to my shiny? Friend safari wouldn't allow me to do that. I'd have to get lucky twice to get a shiny, and one with the nature i want.

                  and if you want to get a shiny in the lowest amount of time, go chain fishing. it's not hard at all.. i got shiny clawitizer in 28 pulls, on my first try.
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                    I have been breeding for three days for one shiny and still nothing at all. And another two days for a different shiny also nothing at all. While i'm getting around two maybe three shinies in the span of 5-6 hours. That's at least better than wasting my time on Masuda method with 10+ hours on each day.
                    This method is a lot better for me and less time consuming.
                    Matsuda Method hasn't been confirmed to be in Gen 6 yet either so your breeding may be with the original amount. Even with lowered rarity, its still not a given. I have friends who have tried Matsuda Method breeding in Black 2 and find more Shiny Wild Pokemon than they have bred even with the Shiny Charm. Its all still random luck.

                    All i said is Matsuda method has a higher chance of producing a Shiny than the regular method.

                    if you compare methods, the Radar is supposed to be the highest chance. My highest chain in gen 4 was over 100 and never encountered a single shiny during it, though theoretically I should have found at least 4 of them.

                    Higher rate doesn't actually mean you'll find more since luck is still a huge factor.
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                    Regardless of whether your theory is correct or not, thank you for posting this thread because I went straight in the Friend Safari and within 5 encounters I had a shiny Octillery. My first shiny ever.

                    I personally think their may be some basis to it given the other benefits of Friend Safari and similar to the Masuda Method, it would be a form of encouragement to interact with other players online. It could be a supplement or replacement for the Masuda Method actually.
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                      Um..no Matsuda method has a higher chance of producing a Shiny than a wild encounter unless you do Radar or Fishing Chains. Since you can't do either in the Safari it still has the 1 in 8192. Matsuda Method has two different rates Gen 4's rate was 1/1638 and Gen 5's rate was 1/1365.

                      If Matsuda's Method passed into Gen 6, those are the two possible rates we're looking at and both are better than finding in the wild.

                      Also...its been discovered that the Oval Charm is in Gen 6 so there may be a chance that the Shiny Charm is too which stacks with both normal wild encounters and Matsuda Method lowering both to 1/2730 and 1/1024 respectively.
                      how does 1 get these oval and shiny charm? o.o
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                        how does 1 get these oval and shiny charm? o.o
                        Not quite sure. The way to get them hasn't been revealed, but Oval Charm was on Serebii's item list for Gen 6. Key Item sprites don't generally pass into the next game unless they are coded into it since you cannot transfer Key Items between games.

                        Oh wow actually Serebii does have how to get it:

                        Oval Charm- Complete all 3 Kalos Pokedex and show to Sycamore.

                        Shiny Charm may be completing the National Dex like last time.
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                          i heard that the shiny rate in the friend safari is actually higher because theres only 3 pokemon in there. no others which is why its higher because youre only encountering 3 pokemon. i assume that is higher if the person only has 2 pokemon available in their friend safari
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                            i heard that the shiny rate in the friend safari is actually higher because theres only 3 pokemon in there. no others which is why its higher because youre only encountering 3 pokemon. i assume that is higher if the person only has 2 pokemon available in their friend safari
                            This is sorely incorrect. By that logic, every Legendary encounter should have a heightened chance for a Shiny, but they don't. It doesn't matter how many or how few Pokemon you can catch in an area, the chances of one of them being Shiny is still 1/8192.
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                              This is sorely incorrect. By that logic, every Legendary encounter should have a heightened chance for a Shiny, but they don't. It doesn't matter how many or how few Pokemon you can catch in an area, the chances of one of them being Shiny is still 1/8192.
                              did i say anything about the legendaries? have you met legendaries in the friend safari? no to both. i said the chance is risen in the friend safari i didnt say anything about outside of it. and the chance of shinies area actually higher than regular games in the wild. ive read it somewhere. but next time, read it before you reply. thank you
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                                I think people are assuming it is easier to get shinies in Friend Safari because I think it was said to be easier to get perfect IVs there. Which I have also heard that perfect IVs usually have a higher chance to be shiny.

                                I don't have any evidence for this. It is just things I have heard. So none could be true.


                                It is not actually a higher chance because there is only 3 pokemon. It is higher because your not running into 10 different pokemon on a route. So you are more likely to get a shiny you want, but it is still the same chance.

                                Also Xander, in an interview, it was said they wanted to make shiny pokemon easier to get. I do not recall which one so don't ask. I also do not think they would take MM out.
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                                  did i say anything about the legendaries? have you met legendaries in the friend safari? no to both. i said the chance is risen in the friend safari i didnt say anything about outside of it. and the chance of shinies area actually higher than regular games in the wild. ive read it somewhere. but next time, read it before you reply. thank you
                                  You used the limited amount of Pokemon available in the Safari as an answer to the increased Shiny encounter rate. I was using Legendaries as an example. Next time, maybe try to not jump down my throat when you respond, mkay? Thanks.
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                                        Well, let me say that I spent about 3 days straight breeding eevees, got around 15 boxes of eevees (i release as i go of course so it doesn't get too crowded) and no shiny at all.

                                        About 2 days ago I added a person with Eevee in their Safari, spent i'd say a day and a half in their safari and I just got a Shiny Eevee this morning from it! Also, I've found a random shiny Hawlucha and Pidgey just from seeing what kind of pokemon were in people's safaris.

                                        I don't know if the safari has a higher chance or not but it certainly seems that way. I was using the matsuda effect through the whole process of my eevee breeding by the way.
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                                          How do we know its different? Why should we assume its different? It has Pokemon in it to catch with same catch rates as they always have. I've gone through 10 hours of Safari hunting total and have not encountered a single shiny in it. Only Shiny I have found was Honedge while using Magnet Pull Nosepass.

                                          I got the hardest encounter rate catch before any of the easier encounter rate catches (MM Breeding, Chain Fishing (highest chain so far is 70), Radar Chaining (highest chain is 46).

                                          We've got no reason to assume its different since the Safari has only 2 purposes (as stated by the game, guide, and official sources) right now, getting older Pokemon and attaining hidden abilities.
                                          Does it mention that each pokemon caught in the safari has at least two perfect IV's? Or even mention IV's at all? Something not being mentioned in the game guide doesn't mean anything.

                                          The fact is, there are a plethora of people who are finding shinies in the safari - I even found a Shiny Abra today after about 30 mins. If you're listening to people talk about finding 4 shinies in a single day, it's obvious the encounter rate is higher than the regular 1/8xxx. THAT is why we're assuming it's different.
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                                            Friend Safari rate is probably faster but breeding is still better in my opinion. With breeding using Masudo Method because you have better control over the Nature/IV/Ability. Shiny may take longer but you should end up with a better Pokemon in the end.
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                                              The first shiney i EVER got was in the friend safari. A shiny Fraxture just snuck up on me. It wasnt until after that that i actually got into the shiny pokemon stuff. I tried out the Masuda Method and after only 8 eggs i was able to get a shiy charmander. So i cant really say which works better. Both of these instances happend within a few hours of each other.
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                                                I guess you still need alot of luck with both methods. Before Pokemon X/Y I (as many others I guess) never had the chance to try the Masuda Method. I'm currently breeding my Delphox with a Ditto (Jap), so hopefully I will get a shiny Fennekin myself :3

                                                I haven't put much effort in exploring the Friend Safari for shinies yet, but I will try later on to see what shiny Pokemon may be hidden there. Have had alot of luck with chain fishing though so I will continue that first while breeding for my shiny Fennekin ...Or just that lucky 1/8192 encounter of a random shiny in the wild!
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