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Old February 10th, 2014 (4:56 PM).
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    Perhaps others who got to know me wouldn't think I'm trying to demean ppl when I'm simply pointing out flaws and things I see that are wrong. My point is with all the sensitivity towards my comments to have that approach to a subject such as incest even if it's a joke just doesn't seem balanced or fair. But since he's a mod he's fine, that's the attitude I pick up on around here.
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    Old February 10th, 2014 (4:59 PM).
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    See cc's page buddy he even explained it was a joke in vm's but still poor taste in humor I think. Don't really see how thats acceptable but my behavior is so severe I'm not making jokes about felonies.
    I'll put you out of your misery with the explanation. He's not talking about real world sister, but a PC one.

    See, on many forums like this one there's a thing called Pairing with members. http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=293847 People also pretend to have family members like a sister or whatnot, which is really just a way to say 'this member is a close friend of mine'. (And if you look at CC's signature, there's links to the members in question too - and you can't claim someone is your so-and-so if they don't agree to it either, for that matter). There's no actual incest happening. The joke is that they probably had that sister status beforehand, then CC changed pairs so hence he 'married his sister'. Given he stated specific member names on his profile, it's clear he's referring to the forum system, not making jokes about actual incest.

    Which is pretty different to breaking actual forum rules by posting off-topic to a thread subject, or being rude to other members, which has been what your infractions were for and already discussed with you in PM.

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    Explain that then, given my above explanation does not mention him being a mod. Any other member that joked about PC family/pairing system? That'd be fine. Seemingly all the problems you are trying to point out are about mods though, even if there's really nothing wrong happening.
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    Perhaps others who got to know me wouldn't think I'm trying to demean ppl when I'm simply pointing out flaws and things I see that are wrong. My point is with all the sensitivity towards my comments to have that approach to a subject such as incest even if it's a joke just doesn't seem balanced or fair. But since he's a mod he's fine, that's the attitude I pick up on around here.
    I didn't say you were trying to demean him. I was saying that CC wasn't trying to demean anyone with his bio. If his bio were this, for example:

    "I have sex every night with my wife who is my sister."

    That would be wrong. What he has is nothing offensive or rude to anyone. I have seen non-staff members with much stranger things in their bios, including a guy that claimed to be married to Reshiram and another person who had a fetish for pillow pets. Much more strange than a small joke about incest, but they were still allowed to keep their bios with that info. And again, the people he's referring to are not actually related to him in any way, shape, or form. So it's not real incest he's talking about.

    Again, I really think you're reading too much into this.
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    Old February 10th, 2014 (5:01 PM).
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      And I talked to cc I was just raising awareness to the point of the matter, and how some behavior is accepted and other behavior isn't doesn't feel like a balanced system.


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      Kudos to staff for having to deal with guys like this and not shooting anyone.

      Though, I will say that there is a double standard because staff do get away with more than a member would and I say that from first hand experience (I did). Though I don't really think the example he gave is very good because, I mean, I laughed pretty hard and made a face at my screen.
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      My thoughts exactly... I can't tell if he's serious. Or...
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      Old February 10th, 2014 (5:07 PM).
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        Thanks for making fun of me. Also aerial ace have you ever heard of contradiction?



        For you two to jump in he middle of this and make fun of me is disrespectful I feel disrespected especially after mods prolly like your posts. One guy contradicts himself and agrees tho, that's progress even if he doesn't know he's agreeing
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        Old February 10th, 2014 (5:14 PM).
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        Old February 10th, 2014 (5:15 PM).
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        Moderators who do break rules should be, as they always have been, referred to the higher staff.

        My impressions with the current moderator team have been pretty positive, so I admit that I cannot relate.
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        Old February 10th, 2014 (5:16 PM).
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          My thoughts exactly... I can't tell if he's serious. Or...
          Oh, he's serious. Trust me. He believes what he believes and everyone else is wrong. We've been through that circle enough times to see how serious he is about it. A lot of us are trying to ignore the drama unfolding. Admin has already joined in, I think its best to leave it to them since they stepped in.

          @Aerial Ace, Mods aren't the only ones that get away with things. You know for a fact that I have three in particular that I tend to complain about when they get under my skin. They get away with way more due to being subtle enough for it not to fall into infractions.

          We are all humans. Each of us will let things slide that others may not agree with. You've been there when I disagreed and stood against staff decision despite nearly unanimous decisions. We aren't always on the same page and we disagree with how to run our own sections.

          The key to it is always try to discuss the entirety of if to reach a compromise behind closed doors. I've nearly gotten infracted for less than what is going on here. Everyone just needs to chill out. Take the discussion to private venues, that is the only way that it'll be resolved. Current progress will only end in another ban or set of bans depending on who and how many get involved and how they take the information and react. This is not just non-staff members. I've gotten a minor chew out already for one post, but one admin while others don't see the harm in what I posted. A slap on the wrist is what I got, yes, because for what I did that was all that was needed. If I were to continue I'd get an official warning and then an infraction just like any other person.

          Though, this again is not needed for public display. No one wins with self righteous wars against authority. The circle has been passed so many times I look to doing Math homework to keep myself entertained. It may be freshman college algebra, but still, math is a pain in the butt and I am doing it for fun just because of how stressed I feel with this.

          Let's calmly drop the matter, take it to the proper procedures of contacting the Admins since they are now involved. They can deal with all the issues present.



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          Old February 10th, 2014 (5:20 PM).
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          For you two to jump in he middle of this and make fun of me is disrespectful I feel disrespected especially after mods prolly like your posts. One guy contradicts himself and agrees tho, that's progress even if he doesn't know he's agreeing
          Quite a lot of what you have said on this thread and across the forum can be taken as disrespectful, so I don't know how you dare make yourself the victim?

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          Oh, he's serious. Trust me. He believes what he believes and everyone else is wrong. We've been through that circle enough times to see how serious he is about it. A lot of us are trying to ignore the drama unfolding. Admin has already joined in, I think its best to leave it to them since they stepped in.
          Oh goody, only been back on the forum a day too...
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          Old February 10th, 2014 (5:34 PM).
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            I am in fact serious but I apologize for doing in depth with this publicly I will testify that to Pm's and other more private venues. I will only say I've been asking questions trying to find out the line between right and wrong as I firmly believed didn't deserve all three infractions maybe 1 but a couple don't seem to me to cross the lines of unacceptable behavior. That being said I apologize to any boy I may have upset here my intentions were non malicious and I wasn't trying to "demean" or " disrespect" anyone. I will point out however with all the outside interference with ppl(ie. aerial ace) adding in their two cents all against me weather I'm right or wrong it is kinda bullying so with that known my actions were pretty controlled and I didn't get out of control or insulting and overly negative I was trying to be mature and mild mannered as possible.


            But again my apologies to those who I got upset that wasn't my intentions.


            I like this place and my actions are only to try to improve and understand the community.
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              I've noticed a lot of 'I'm returning' threads recently. Why isn't a mod moving these to the account return topic. I thought that is what it was for? So it doesn't really warrant it's own thread
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              Old February 10th, 2014 (6:42 PM). Edited February 10th, 2014 by Dragon.
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              I've noticed a lot of 'I'm returning' threads recently. Why isn't a mod moving these to the account return topic. I thought that is what it was for? So it doesn't really warrant it's own thread
              Mmm, says there that they're allowed to make a returning thread if they haven't been active on PC for 30 days or so, in which they were considered to be absent. n_n

              Hope that clear things up! :3
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              I don't think I've ever posted in one of these before, so might as well. But I honestly think this is one of the best staff teams on any forum I've on. I've been on several forums too so I know how some staff teams can be. While you enforce the rules while you need to , you guys seem very understanding and tolerant. I mean you guys put up with that JustinRPG/ MoltresRider guy for 2 years or so and only recently banned him. I'd probably have a harder time dealing with people like that. While I've always wanted to try modding here, I feel I wouldn't be ready yet. While I probably have the niceness and the understanding down, I'm not sure about the tolerance part of the job. You guys seem to explain well to people what they did wrong and you don't come off intimidating or like a mindless robot like others said. You're all very kind people and you do more than just tell users what to do, you become our friends and get to know the userbase. There's a good amount of mods who I talk to pretty often on here. Thank you PC staff for making such a good team. :]
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                You know what though? It's not even that I necessarily think certain mods deserve an infraction or are breaking any rules to my knowledge.

                It's just that in regards to certain posts of mine that have been deleted, certain infractions that I have received for things. Have also been mirrored in the actions of other mods. The very same mods who have reprimanded me, go figure.

                I'm just looking for equality and fairness here. I don't think it's fair to sweep a mod's bad behavior under the rug if you're going to punish a regular member of this forum for doing the same thing. Especially in that particular instance that I mentioned in my report of a mod blatantly antagonizing me in one of my threads for no reason.

                I'm still waiting to hear back on that report by the way. Is the general consensus that I'm a whining *****? Either way I'd love some closure because that whole incident and the way it was handled is still bothering me.

                And for the record I haven't contested every single deleted post, verbal warning or infraction that I've received. I can admit when I think I'm wrong.
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                Old February 11th, 2014 (1:41 AM).
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                I'm not going to sound rude here but let's be rational for a bit here. This is still the Internet guys, Anything and everything can happen. Now, I know that some people are getting frustrated, thinking they are treated unfairly but please, cut the staff some slack since

                A) Again, this is the Internet, Try not to be so serious when it comes to this matters.

                B) They aren't paid to do their jobs (idk if they do actually get paid or not) and they are wasting precious time and effort to help govern, sorry for the snark attitude here, A POKEMON FORUM.

                C) If they didnt really care about you, they have turned a blind eye already. But they chose to reason with you all.

                So, I hope that you guys will atleast have a little symphathy for the staff as they are doing their jobs fair and just.

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                I'm just looking for equality and fairness here. I don't think it's fair to sweep a mod's bad behavior under the rug if you're going to punish a regular member of this forum for doing the same thing. Especially in that particular instance that I mentioned in my report of a mod blatantly antagonizing me in one of my threads for no reason.
                Know that yes, most mods are good friends. And that this is a positive thing. We work better if we know and like each other. That does not at all mean that we should put on blindfolds if we see another mod acting questionably. So you are right in that part.

                You and Bestintheworld have provided feedback on the same crucial points in this thread for many posts now and the conclusion I can draw is that you feel mods should be judged just as any members are. Totally fine! We should be able to take that feedback to heart and make a greater effort to not hand out infractions rashly, and also to not judge a post by the poster but rather by the content. I always assumed it was part of an admin's role to monitor mod behavior, so maybe we can ask them to sharpen their senses a bit in response to these discussions? All to make PC a better place. Important to remember though is that "better" doesn't always mean "stricter". Only more equal.

                Now, can we say we're done here? Regarding reports, infractions, personal vendettas - you've been told countless times before to keep that to PMs with admins or relevant mods, so you probably shouldn't keep posting about that here unless you have very general concerns. You don't have to post praise in this thread, of course not! But you should keep your criticism solid, in good tone and be prepared to listen to staff's explanations, not debate the same foggy thing forever. Quoting the rules (maybe unnecessarily, sorry heh) :
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                Do not rant. This thread is meant have a friendly atmosphere, to be constructive and positive in nature. Again, no exceptions.
                Feel free to post your opinions here, but they're not meant to be debated amongst yourselves. Go debate in D&D.
                Is there anything more you can ask of us in this general matter at hand (Don't Judge A Post/Action By The Poster) or can you accept that staff has heard your criticism and want to improve? I am not trying to suppress or belittle your concerns, I just feel like this has gone on for too long without any relevant conclusions coming from it.
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                  I think you guys are great at this. I might be leaving for good, but by a how smooth this site is and how awesome most people are. It's fair to say. You all are very good at this and keep it good in a business way and sorta like a PC family way. So, bye and keep it up.
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                  I would just like to start by saying even though I don't know many admins or mods on this server there is one I find to the best.

                  I would to thank Everlark/Sydian for all her work on the challenge section of PC, I know she moderates more than that but that is where I spend most of my time and I feel she is doing an excellent job of watching over it, In the years I've been here I have seen some great challenges that have come from there and even though not all of them where made by her I still feel she has been able to pick the challenges which would catch the imagination and interest of people interested in doing more with their pokemon games!

                  I don't want to go off on a tangent or sound like a butt kisser, Just think after the nearly 3 years I've been here that I should express my gratitude for her efforts.
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                  This is probably gonna come off as a little negative, but given that there was a modding recently, there is one user I kinda want to get an issue of mine with off my chest.

                  That user is none other than Axeliira. Given her activity in the Welcome Lounge, i'd think she would be more welcoming towards new members. But I tried to friend her back in November not long after her birthday, and she VM'd me saying she did enjoy it but didn't get back to me. Then I tried to friend her again recently, and her response was that she never recalled me and her having talked, when in fact i've seen her in a couple forums (namely the 5th gen forum). I would expect that from regular members, but former moderators I don't think would really be this way, let alone ones who specialize in introducing new people to the forums. So I hope her reasoning for this is nothing personal. :/

                  That's all, I don't mean this as an attack towards her, and it's not like I feel a gigantic need to be friends with her or anything, and if she really doesn't want to talk to me that's fine, but it just bothered me, is all.
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                    This is probably gonna come off as a little negative, but given that there was a modding recently, there is one user I kinda want to get an issue of mine with off my chest.

                    That user is none other than Axeliira. Given her activity in the Welcome Lounge, i'd think she would be more welcoming towards new members. But I tried to friend her back in November not long after her birthday, and she VM'd me saying she did enjoy it but didn't get back to me. Then I tried to friend her again recently, and her response was that she never recalled me and her having talked, when in fact i've seen her in a couple forums (namely the 5th gen forum). I would expect that from regular members, but former moderators I don't think would really be this way, let alone ones who specialize in introducing new people to the forums. So I hope her reasoning for this is nothing personal. :/

                    That's all, I don't mean this as an attack towards her, and it's not like I feel a gigantic need to be friends with her or anything, and if she really doesn't want to talk to me that's fine, but it just bothered me, is all.
                    There's 5 or 6 new users each day. I go out of my way to welcome quite a few users and I can't remember any of them, even if they talk to me. Just imaging having to talk to them all.
                    By the way, if you're just skeptical about her being a Welcome lounge mod, you do know she's a mod of Fan Clubs and Groups now, right? Not Welcome Lounge.
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                    This is probably gonna come off as a little negative, but given that there was a modding recently, there is one user I kinda want to get an issue of mine with off my chest.

                    That user is none other than Axeliira. Given her activity in the Welcome Lounge, i'd think she would be more welcoming towards new members. But I tried to friend her back in November not long after her birthday, and she VM'd me saying she did enjoy it but didn't get back to me. Then I tried to friend her again recently, and her response was that she never recalled me and her having talked, when in fact i've seen her in a couple forums (namely the 5th gen forum). I would expect that from regular members, but former moderators I don't think would really be this way, let alone ones who specialize in introducing new people to the forums. So I hope her reasoning for this is nothing personal. :/

                    That's all, I don't mean this as an attack towards her, and it's not like I feel a gigantic need to be friends with her or anything, and if she really doesn't want to talk to me that's fine, but it just bothered me, is all.
                    Slightly confused over what the actual issue is here, is it that she didn't remember you? Cause I don't see how her activity in 5th Gen is related to that. Anyhow, well, people are busy and sometimes they accidently overlook stuff. Being a moderator doesn't exactly make us robots, you know; we can't do everything. I doubt she ignored you because she wanted to. Also, she isn't moderating The Welcome Lounge, haha.
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