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"Biggest political crisis in the world"?

Not even close.
You're focusing on the wrong section of my response but avoiding going off topic, it's still a major political crisis, whether or not you agree with me on that it's the biggest right now. A presidential candidate needs to have an opinion on it because a president needs to have an opinion on it.
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And I wholeheartedly believe Mr. Sanders HAS given an opinion on it.

See, Bernie is smart. He realizes what would happen if he gave a straight "yes" or "no".

If he said "yes, he needs to be told to step down", his political adversaries would hold him to it, and badger him on why he wasn't following up on it by taking actions against Venezuela.

If he said "no, he should not be told to step down" (which ironically, is the more realistic opinion, as he never will step down on his own) then Bernie would be labeled a sympathizer, and hounded on his previous statement when the crisis in Venezuela became worse. Which it likely will.

Giving answers like this is typical for politicians and often unavoidable. Giving straight answers about what you intend to do - or not do - can lead to political disaster.

Bush Sr gave a straight statement when he said "Read my lips! No new taxes!" which became the biggest mistake of his career. Bernie is giving himself more leyway.
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And I wholeheartedly believe Mr. Sanders HAS given an opinion on it.

See, Bernie is smart. He realizes what would happen if he gave a straight "yes" or "no".

If he said "yes, he needs to be told to step down", his political adversaries would hold him to it, and badger him on why he wasn't following up on it by taking actions against Venezuela.

If he said "no, he should not be told to step down" (which ironically, is the more realistic opinion, as he never will step down on his own) then Bernie would be labeled a sympathizer, and hounded on his previous statement when the crisis in Venezuela became worse. Which it likely will.

Giving answers like this is typical for politicians and often unavoidable. Giving straight answers about what you intend to do - or not do - can lead to political disaster.

Bush Sr gave a straight statement when he said "Read my lips! No new taxes!" which became the biggest mistake of his career. Bernie is giving himself more leyway.
You asked the question of, "why should Bernie have an opinion if his opinion wouldn't affect Venezuela?". That was why.

Now let's talk about what he's said.

His stance, at least to me, seems to be a non-interventionist one, which is great. That doesn't mean he can't condemn Maduro. Of course he'll be berated regardless of what side he takes, but as a presidential candidate, not taking a side (especially in today's climate) can easily be as damaging as taking the "wrong" one.

You wanna talk about being smart? How about making statements that won't hurt your chances at even becoming president in the first place? His refusal to condemn Maduro (who is almost unanimously condemned), regardless of whether he wants the US to intervene or not, is absolutely going to bite him in the ass.

EDIT: He absolutely needs to openly say Maduro should step down (and he can add that that does not mean he wants US intervention). Not doing so makes it seem much more like he's reluctant to denounce Maduro than he is to get the US involved. That's a much worse look.
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That's kind of what I've been saying the whole time, Ket, which is "Bernie is staying on the fence".

Not saying I agree with this strategy, by the way.
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That's kind of what I've been saying the whole time, Ket, which is "Bernie is staying on the fence".

Not saying I agree with this strategy, by the way.
That's fair, but I disagree that it's him being smart. Staying on fence here, especially refusing to denounce someone like Maduro to do so, is going to hurt him, not help him.
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    Maeder, please do a better job of stating who said what. I haven’t posted in this thread yet you keep attributing things to me.

    Sanders will be a great opponent for the Republicans. He’s got a long history of saying stupid things and his socialist views are terrible.
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    I will repeat it LDSMan, do you even understand what socialism is?

    Edit: Seems he's already become a powerful foe:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html
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      I will repeat it LDSMan, do you even understand what socialism is?

      Edit: Seems he's already become a powerful foe:

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html
      Seems you missed the point of my comment.

      I know what socialism is. I know what various people want socialism to be. I know what socialism turns out to be.

      Again, Sanders will be a great opponent for the Republicans.
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      I don't want to go too heavily into Venezuela here because there is another thread specifically about this topic now. But my thoughts are that Bernie should certainly not support any regime change in Venezuela, nor should he make denouncing Maduro a central part of his message campaign message. This would just be free advertising for Trump's coup, and bad political advice. These are not issues that his base support him for. We want healthcare, not nation-building in South America.

      Bernie is not an interventionalist. So why should he talk like one, demanding Maduro step down? That he was ran to the left of Hillary Clinton on foreign policy was an an appeal to many progressives in the 2016 primary. We don't want to hear the chest-beating that comes from candidates like Hillary threatening to obliterate countries or Trump calling leaders animals. We want someone who doesn't talk insane on such matters.

      Bernie has criticized Maduro, ywt understands a wiser, experienced man that whether or not you like another government, regime change often creates a vacuum for even more chaos. He has explained this time and time again. Any reasonable person should be able to understand this middle ground position is, and not say he is supporting Maduro. These would only be worrying comments if you want the coup.

      I think, or at least hope that nobody here indeed wants to depose, Maduro, and if you do, then be careful what you wish for. If he goes then what would be the outcome of that?

      During the cold war we worked with Saudia Arabia and Pakistan to fund and arm rebels in Afghanistan known as the Mujahideen to stop Russia from expanding territory. Our empowered allies became Al-Qaeda. Osama Bin Laden was among the soldiers of the Mujahideen!

      https://medium.com/@jackiethornhill/how-the-united-states-created-al-qaeda-2bbe129faf57

      When Iran overthrew the Shaw, we enlisted the help of Iraq to contain them in the middle east, the armies we ended up backing to fight Iran were Sadaam Hussein's.
      https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/167/34978.html

      We invaded Iraq, removed Hussein from power, dispersed his army and installed a government the people did not like any better. What was left roaming around of the Iraqi Army joined insurgents there. Jihadists groups flock to them led by Zarqawi and start a civil war. They ally with Al-Qaeda and we got Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/isis-iraq-war-islamic-state-blowback.html

      We fund, train and arm rebels in Syria to overrhrow Assad. Some of those rebels went onto to become Isis members, and used our own weapons against us. Isis was born out of the mess we made in Iraq and what was left of the insurgents there.

      Changing a regime, whether it is entirely internal or through military force can have very serious consequences, and the fall of a government or hostility towards a leader is not something you talk about in a cavalier way.

      Bernie is trying to see both sides of the equation. I can live with that, and think most people being reasonable would understand that. He may not like Maduro, but what are you going to about that? Nothing, if you are wise. Most people do not want more nation-building and fighting abroad and neither does he. He has said that he doesn't necessarily approve of Maduro's actions, but wishes to stay out of conflict. That should be the end of it. He is very clear. He has a duty to the American people to protect their interests. You may not like the answer he is giving if you want to see regime change in Latin America, but he is not confusing in the least.
      https://www.thenation.com/article/americans-sick-endless-war/
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        Bernie got burned in a poll. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/not-feeling-bern-us-voters-172515744.html?ncid=facebook_yfsocialfa_wje3x23a50w&utm_content=buffer97910&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=yahoofinance

        People polled want someone younger and not a socialist.
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        God, every time socialism is brought up, people put on their scared-hats and think that socialism is anti-American, when they don't realize some of what makes America "so great" are socialist ideas. Paying taxes for firefighters, road maintenance, and public utility, for example, are what you could consider socialist ideas.

        And every time I see the words Bernie or Socialism I'm sure to see the argument "BUT VUVUZUELA"

        Anyways, I'm particularly jaded about politics. I know that I'm not supposed to be, that if I want to make a difference (or hope to) I have to care. Seeing Bernie having plans to run gives me a little hope for improvement on social issues in this country, but you know the backlash he's going to face is gonna be hell on earth for him/supporters.

        Oh well. I'll take anything over another old-money, scheming, white, republican male at this point.
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          God, every time socialism is brought up, people put on their scared-hats and think that socialism is anti-American, when they don't realize some of what makes America "so great" are socialist ideas. Paying taxes for firefighters, road maintenance, and public utility, for example, are what you could consider socialist ideas.
          Public utilities are not socialism. It can just as easily be argued that such items are capitalism. Need roads to get consumers to the stores. Need utilities to get people to buy the latest gadgets. Preventing fires or disease means you have more consumers to buy stuff.

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          Anyways, I'm particularly jaded about politics. I know that I'm not supposed to be, that if I want to make a difference (or hope to) I have to care. Seeing Bernie having plans to run gives me a little hope for improvement on social issues in this country, but you know the backlash he's going to face is gonna be hell on earth for him/supporters.
          . Considering what his beliefs lead to.....
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          Could do without the racism.
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          I'm pretty sure that taxes and public utilities aren't really a socialist or a capitalist thing, they (taxes) are just what governments in general do to fund themselves to provide some of the things that they're expected to provide to their people (public utilities).

          I don't really know enough about socialism or socialist countries to comment on that part, but I doubt that it's as big of a great evil as some people make it out to be. Not that some people will buy that though given that the Cold War only ended less than 3 decades ago.
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          I thought I would kick off the weekend with some positive news for Bernie Sanders fans. His coalition is getting bigger day by day fellas. Bernie supporters include not only young people, the progressive wing of the democratic party, the middle class, the military, but according to this poll he also has about 28% of African-American voters. To put that in perspective it is twice as many votes as Kamala Harris and 4 times the number of Cory Booker. In fact, if you take this at face value Bernie has more support among this demographic than anyone who is currently running in the democratic primary I believe, Elizabeth Warren, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, all performed significantly worse in this particular poll.

          https://static.theintercept.com/amp/bernie-sanders-black-voters-2020.html

          I have heard it argued that Bernie's growing support might be due to seeing a greater diversity of people in politics around him such as Ro Khana, Abdul El-Sayed, Alessandria Ocasio Cortez etc working closely with him. However, Bernie's allies were more diverse in 2016 than we are given credit for, Raul Grijalva, Nina Turner, Keith Ellison, Kshama Sawant, so I am not certain that this is the difference, though more friends certainly never hurts. Perhaps it is greater exposure in the media of different faces associated with his campaign though?

          I would like to think that his support is issue-based instead. Bernie has always had progressive policies supported by a very consistent record, not just on economic issues, but civil rights. It may ultimately be that more name recognition has made people more familiar with the work he's done fighting for all people. He's had some popular pieces of legislation recently like the pharmaceutical bill.

          This is of couse an early poll and could change, but one thing I think we have been seeing pretty clearly from many demographics is a reluctance to embrace Kamala Harris since she announced her candidacy. She may be young, have a pretty face, be potentially the first woman president, the first Asian president, first woman of African descent to be president, yet people are hungry for substance, and I think Bernie can better provide that. So far nobody is buying a campaign like Hillary Clinton ran just based around ovaries when we have been confronted with the truancy laws, tainted evidence from Kamala's lab, attempts to keep innocent people in jail, inconsistency on the death penalty, fighting against measures for body cams and independent investigations of police shootings. No, we are tired of tokens. Hopefully in 2020 we'll get a candidate offering some genuine change for the better.
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          This poll is also quite interesting. Mainly because it tells us a few things.

          - Biden has strong support, even if he hasn't even officially entered the race yet;
          - Asked if there was a secondary option should Biden not declare to run, Biden voters chose Sanders. This is particularly interesting given that you would think Biden voters would typically mostly be centrists since Biden isn't all that left (I think he's a moderate?), but people seem just fine with Sanders;
          - The head to head matchups against Trump, should the election be held today (key word here), are pretty intriguing:

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          Biden v. Trump: 54%-46%

          Klobuchar v. Trump: 53%-47%

          Sanders v. Trump: 52%-47%

          Harris v. Trump: 51%-49%

          Warren v. Trump:51%-49%
          Some of these are pretty scary actually, mostly because they're within the margin of error as the Emerson Poll indicates. This means, in a hypothetical Harris vs Trump, it'd be very easy for Trump to, again, beat his poll numbers and come out the victor once more. The same would go for a Warren vs trump. I'm kind of interested on how Klobuchar has a lead given I thought she was mainly unknown, but I suppose not. Also curious why Sanders vs Trump is a much tighter race than what one would expect, but these are early days, after all.

          It certainly looks like a favourable environment for Joe Biden, if anything.


          edit: also this poll, too..

          don't get me wrong. both aren't bad polls for Sanders, and that's not the point of this post. Sanders is actually doing impressively well, however Biden still holds the lead. This last paragraph of this poll is particularly striking:

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          The Biden-Sanders rivalry embodies a key debate happening within the Democratic Party: Should Democrats nominate a bold progressive who pushes the debate further left, or should they elevate a more moderate centrist who could potentially appeal to independents and disaffected Republicans?

          Sanders, an independent senator who identifies as a Democratic socialist, is the furthest left of all the potential candidates. Forty-four percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers say he’s “too liberal” — more than for any other candidate tested. Forty-eight percent say his political views are “just right,” 2 percent say he’s “too conservative” and 7 percent are unsure.

          According to the poll, he appeals most to those who do not identify with any particular religion (37 percent) and those younger than age 35 (34 percent).

          But, generally, likely Democratic caucusgoers say they are OK with candidates who think the country should be more socialist.

          Fifteen percent would be “very satisfied” with such a candidate and 41 percent would be “mostly satisfied.” Thirty-three percent would be dissatisfied, and 11 percent are not sure.

          That’s roughly comparable to a 2016 Iowa Poll in which 43 percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers said they identify as “socialist.” That was more than the 38 percent who identified as “capitalist.”
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          so basically, the top three dems so far are Biden, and depending on what poll you're looking at, Harris/Bernie
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          The problem is that different demographics view the word "socialist" differently.

          Older, white folks associate socialism with communist Russia and China, and Marxism.

          Younger people and minorities associate the word with social security, SSI, socialized medicine, and Medicare.

          This gap could well define the next election.
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            A rather interesting form of attack by Julian Castro on Bernie Sanders. Pointing out that Senator Sanders is willing to write big checks for a laundry list of programs but not for reparations. Considering the rather massive hurdle that Senator Sanders needs to overcome with the black community this could be a very potent line of attack against him early on.

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            There's a tremendous amount of disagreement on how we would do that, but let me say something about Senator Sanders's response there. He was also asked this question in 2016. What he said on The View the other day, I think, he didn't think the best way to address this was for the United States to write a check. To my mind that may or may not be the best way to address it. However, it's interesting to me that when it comes to ‘Medicare for all,' health care, you know the response has we need to write a big check, that when it comes to tuition-free or debt-free college, the answer has been we need to write a big check. So if the issue is compensation think the argue about writing a big check ought to be the argument you make if you're making the argument that a big check needs to be written for a whole bunch of other stuff.
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            That's a pretty terrible angle of attack if anyone is planning on looking at this logically. Things like free tuition and socialised medicine benefit everyone while reparations only benefit the black community - and quite frankly the idea of still paying reparations for the actions of your ancestors is bloody stupid anyway. That money would be better spent actually fixing the issues faced by the black community - which free tuition and socialised medicine would go a long way to help with.
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            That's a pretty terrible angle of attack if anyone is planning on looking at this logically. Things like free tuition and socialised medicine benefit everyone while reparations only benefit the black community - and quite frankly the idea of still paying reparations for the actions of your ancestors is bloody stupid anyway. That money would be better spent actually fixing the issues faced by the black community - which free tuition and socialised medicine would go a long way to help with.
            That would kind of be the thing, people tend to not think about things logically or rationally. Humans have a penchant for going for quick, feel-good, band-aid fixes rather than the solutions that work better and in the long-term.

            It's like, who would be getting these reparation checks anyway? People far removed from any direct impact of slavery? Who will be paying for this, people who never had anything to do with slavery? It might not even be all black people living in this country who would get these reparation checks, it very well could be just ones who can trace their ancestry back to someone who was enslaved. The time for these sorts of reparations was over a century ago, not today. And like you said, the ultimate way to really make reparations for America's racist past would be to fix all the goddamn problems this country has (some of which, y'know, affect (racial) minorities more than anyone else), which benefits the entire community and not just whoever gets these finite checks.

            But this is modern American politics, and Julian Castro saw an easy way to take a shot at an opponent+boost his own support, so he naturally took it. I'm sure that someone would or will try it on Biden if he runs or Hillary Clinton if she decided to run and they don't explicitly say "yes we should pay reparation checks to the black community". It's very easy to frame it as "hey Bernie Sanders (an old white man) is a racist", and the masses will gladly eat that up, even though going by the quote in the above post it sounds more like either a lack of an explicit answer or that he has other ideas in mind for what to do about it and not a definite "no".
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            I guess I'll stick to hoping that enough people are intelligent enough to see that's what Castro's up to for it not to cause too big of an impact.
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            I agree with Bernie Sanders on reparations.

            Castro is the same fellow who gifted houses he foreclosed on to Wall Street as Hud Secretary. He has some nerve bringing up property and people.

            https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/julian-castro-vice-president-hud-225003

            There are better ways that we can help American descendants of slaves than reparations, desegregation of housing is one such example, and Castro was obstructive with even this simple investigation.

            https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/on-way-to-white-house-maybe-julian-castro-will-explain-his-dallas-desegration-decision-11417163

            Bernie Sanders does not need any advice from Julian Castro.
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