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Old January 16th, 2013 (5:38 AM).
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    With the drop of sprites and the rise of 3D models for all pokemon, what Pokemon can't you wait to see and battle in the upcoming game?

    I can't wait to see a Mightyena battle in 3D. It would be very cool to see it attack. Another is an Archeops. Since it is new to 3D model battles, I can't wait how it's attack is animated.

    What Pokemon can't you wait to see in 3D battling?

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    I am actually thinking that they will improve the textures later on in the year, 'cause I remember how Castelia City looked like when they first revealed the screenshots for Pokémon Black and White.

    So I do assume there will be many things becoming more smoothed out.

    And while I've been looking at the games, I've noticed how they're not using any texture blending things which the 3DS is capable of doing. So the textures still look pixelated, but I do assume they might end up using the texture blending capability later in the year though. Which would give the textures better detail in the game itself.
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    Old January 17th, 2013 (10:23 AM).
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      Pokemon should have gone full 3d years ago, so this was a long time coming IMO, but like I said, I'll go easy on em for X and Y. I'm just happy it finally has gone 3d. Better late than never, right?
      I agree. I sort of expected it with Black and White, but I'm glad they finally went there. The game is looking beautiful already! I can't wait to see the finished product!
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        I like the switch to 3D and even though it's a new look, it still feels like a Pokemon game.

        The graphics will look better when you're playing the game compared to videos of it, especially when the game has months to be finished. Games always look better then their trailers.
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        Old January 17th, 2013 (1:30 PM).
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          After playing the Fire Emblem demo is was blown away by how good the graphics looked on the 3ds. If X and Y reach half the graphical beauty of that game, call me impressed. So excited.
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          Old January 17th, 2013 (3:13 PM).
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            I am actually thinking that they will improve the textures later on in the year, 'cause I remember how Castelia City looked like when they first revealed the screenshots for Pokémon Black and White.

            So I do assume there will be many things becoming more smoothed out.

            And while I've been looking at the games, I've noticed how they're not using any texture blending things which the 3DS is capable of doing. So the textures still look pixelated, but I do assume they might end up using the texture blending capability later in the year though. Which would give the textures better detail in the game itself.
            The 3DS is capable of much more than the X and Y demo showed. Maybe it's just because the world is so big in Pokemon, and routes / towns can be quite large. Also, there is a larger rendering area because of the perspective. 3DS game carts are also limited to 8GB, which is a good amount for a portable game, but Pokemon B2/W2 was half a GB and DS games are usually much smaller than 3DS Games.

            Also RE: Castelia City, all they did was change the colours. The textures in the final version were just as low-res. I don't think the graphics of Pokemon X and Y will benefit from that kind of tiny change.
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            It will be interesting to compare graphics from this months trailer next to a trailer in October, surely they've some alterations to make and in nine months things can improve.
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              Guys stop complaining about the graphics, they'll get better, and if you dont beleive me just look at castelia city before and after the game came out
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                What I dont understand is why they didnt go with this style of graphics in the first place when the Nintendo DS supported this type of graphics??

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8VA7ADwQm0

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                Old January 18th, 2013 (8:21 AM).
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                  Worth noting - none of us have seen 3D versions of those graphics.
                  But what about 3D? All it does is add depth, and if anything you NEED good visuals for the 3D to be anything significant. Games that have the best 3D (MGS3, Kid Icarus: Uprising, Mario Kart 7 and Mario 3D Land) are already gorgeous games graphically and that's why they were so great on 3D. Also, 3D has drawbacks, mainly no anti-aliasing and lower framerate, and the game right now already is jagged and has pretty bad framerate.

                  3D didn't save NSMB2's visuals, in fact it made it worse. I've no doubt that they would up everything come release, but I'm setting my expectations fairly low.
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                  Guys stop complaining about the graphics, they'll get better, and if you dont beleive me just look at castelia city before and after the game came out
                  All they did was add details. Frankly, it still looks ugly.
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                  Old January 18th, 2013 (9:08 AM).
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                    I really liked the graphics of X and Y. Okay, it's a huge difference between BW2 to XY and it may looks a bit weird, but I think it's a matter of getting used to. I think battle graphics are awesome and I can't wait to see how battle menu will be. Overall, I'm impressed.
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                      I hope they improve the 3D models during development, certain blocks and models appear to be blurry and rugged, but this was just the first trailer, I'm sure the graphics would improve. If GameFreak made the graphics as good as Fire Emblem: Awakening, that would be awesome.
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                        With 3D being the major factor in the game, how would the trainers look in battle and if they would be animated like BW2?
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                        The overworld looks odd and it could be improved on. It's also kind of weird seeing a full figure model for the trainer and that also looks a bit off. But there is 9 months for them to be improved on and I'm certain Gamefreak can make them look better. I guess I'm not use to seeing a full 3Ds overworld rather than the top-down view we've been used to all this time, but I'm sure I'll get used to it in nine months time. I'm keeping in mind that these are the first core Pokemon games for 3DS and that they still need to get used to the new hardware. Just looking at how much the graphics from BW2 were when looking at the graphics in DP (the 3D in particular).
                        The battles look even spectacular. I never thought battles would feel so real and I love the detail in the background and how attacks feel like they're gonna come right at us. And I love the usage of multiple camera angles though I hope that doesn't slow down battling. It's much of a step up from BW/BW2 and it's what basically got me sold on these games.
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                          All they did was add details. Frankly, it still looks ugly.
                          Well then, that's an opinion I don't really share. I would not call the improvement to be "details" (honestly, I forgot the Castelia City we saw in the first few screenshots and trailers was so ugly, because the final product was pretty good). If you disagree, that's fine. But I would not say it still looks ugly, and that's just me.

                          Like other people have said, they have a full nine months to improve the graphics. And as Shivamwazhere demonstrated, Gamefreak has been able to majorly and significantly improve the aesthetic appeal of areas such as Castelia City, from the first time we saw them to the final product within the game (which you apparently think of as "details", but honestly, I consider to be a major improvement). Besides, when it comes to Pokemon, the graphics themselves aren't the most important thing, which is why many of us still cherish games like G/S/C and the Stadium titles to this day.
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                          With 3D being the major factor in the game, how would the trainers look in battle and if they would be animated like BW2?
                          Animated for sure, but maybe not even a reduced size of the current protagonists. I remember in Pokemon games they get shrunk down but in these ones I don't think anyone will get shrunk down, so it'll be them kind of looking like they did in Colosseum/XD imo.
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                            I don't get why people are complaining about how long the attacks took in Coliseum, XD Gale of Darkness and Battle Revolution. Didn't you all feel like awesome badasses as your avatar commanded your pokemon by pointing, and then your pokemon RESPONDED? The extra time of each attack allowed you to savor the fireblast that was being sent out. Heck, fireblast is a huge blast of fire, a big deal SHOULD be made of it.

                            This new game moving into 3D means that it is so much more engaging in the battles, and it looks as if battling will actually give me a real sense of satisfaction after each attack. This isn't perfect yet, but I can definitely see this moving towards the style of Coliseum. Actually having the trainer standing there in the battle is pretty darn satisfying, I have to say, and I hope this is added in a future game. I guess in a few months we might find out how battles look a little more. Note that double battles have not been shown yet, nor how attacks are selected. We'll find that out soon I hope!

                            Y'all need to quit complaining. This game is a million times more engaging than sprites. You can actually PARTICIPATE in the game, rather than feeling more like a bystander.
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                              I definitely adore the graphics.

                              I personally feel it's a positive switch from the 2D we had with mainstream Pokemon handheld games for the longest time. The switch to 3D graphics was bound to occur eventually, and goodness am I happy that they went ahead with it on this new generation. The way the graphics look at the moment seem a bit confusing and not as bright and cheery as the other games, though... I'm hoping that they'll fix this in the final product. It just seems a little too realistic now... and I dunno about you guys, but I don't want the environment to be that way. ;__;

                              I want it to stay cartoon-y like it always has been...

                              Oh, and a note about the 'choppy' graphics... We haven't seen the game on a 3DS screen. Just on a video and screenshots that probably just came from a clearer video.

                              If the models for the Pokemon we've seen so far are final, or at least mostly final, the graphics will probably come up way less pixel-y and choppy on an actual 3DS.
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                              I don't get why people are complaining about how long the attacks took in Coliseum, XD Gale of Darkness and Battle Revolution. Didn't you all feel like awesome badasses as your avatar commanded your pokemon by pointing, and then your pokemon RESPONDED? The extra time of each attack allowed you to savor the fireblast that was being sent out. Heck, fireblast is a huge blast of fire, a big deal SHOULD be made of it.

                              This new game moving into 3D means that it is so much more engaging in the battles, and it looks as if battling will actually give me a real sense of satisfaction after each attack. This isn't perfect yet, but I can definitely see this moving towards the style of Coliseum. Actually having the trainer standing there in the battle is pretty darn satisfying, I have to say, and I hope this is added in a future game. I guess in a few months we might find out how battles look a little more. Note that double battles have not been shown yet, nor how attacks are selected. We'll find that out soon I hope!

                              Y'all need to quit complaining. This game is a million times more engaging than sprites. You can actually PARTICIPATE in the game, rather than feeling more like a bystander.
                              Even then, they'll most likely be an option to turn off battle animations to possibly speed up the battle. I will definitely be keeping them on personally because I agree with what you've said there. I can see why people who constantly grind would find it tedious though.
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                                With 3D being the major factor in the game, how would the trainers look in battle and if they would be animated like BW2?
                                Do you remember in B/W2 when Bianca is giving you the Pokemon and it shows a 3D model of her? I imagine the trainers will look something like that in-battle. There's just no way they're going to show us fully-detailed Pokemon and have chibi trainers.

                                And for those saying you can't judge by the trailer and it will look better on the 3DS screen, you can at least compare it to other trailers of 3DS games. You will see quite clearly that the environment really looks crappy, even when compared to the new Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game.
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                                It's not even only that. This is not final footage is what some of us were trying to say as well, it even says that during the trailer at the beginning. What we've been shown is obviously something to give us insight on where we are headed in general when it comes to what it'll look like. They have more than enough time to add in details, fix little glitches, and to smoothen out things seeing as the release isn't 'til October.

                                The whole blocky argument is just a general thing with 3ds games, they tend to look a lot better on the actual system's screen.

                                Btw, I can't believe how some things slip by us when we're not paying attention all of the way. I don't remember if anyone's brought this up but did anyone notice that, when the protagonist is swinging on that rope, his glasses get stuck in the air and are left behind? I saw someone point it out on a screenshot in another forum and I checked back and noticed it in the trailer, too. XD Funny stuff glitches are.
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                                  It's not even only that. This is not final footage is what some of us were trying to say as well, it even says that during the trailer at the beginning. What we've been shown is obviously something to give us insight on where we are headed in general when it comes to what it'll look like. They have more than enough time to add in details, fix little glitches, and to smoothen out things seeing as the release isn't 'til October.

                                  The whole blocky argument is just a general thing with 3ds games, they tend to look a lot better on the actual system's screen.
                                  Your assumption is that Gamefreak will make some significant changes between now and the time of release (I'm assuming). That's fine, but it's your assumption. You don't know that they will make the necessary changes to bring the visuals up to par with other AAA 3DS titles.

                                  I personally do not think that they will. I feel that if they were going to make significant changes, those changes have already been planned, and they wouldn't have shown us game footage when they did if it was going to look better when the game launched (pre-orders have already begun!) They only have about 6-7 months left to make any such changes before the game has to go into production to prepare for a huge launch. That is no time at all in the gaming industry.

                                  And, again, I would urge anyone who thinks "it will look better on the screen" to just compare it to other trailers, which are shown in the same high resolution on your computer screen.
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                                      Honestly, I was surprised by the announcement that came so early but I'm happy, like many others, to see a brand new Pokemon game that is now finally coming to the 3DS. I was surprised with the new 3D-ness, but at least the game ill be unique! I think that the transition will change the game, and will make it different. I'm not sure if I will like it or not, I will have to see more gameplay footage.
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                                        Honestly, I was slowly anticipating the 3D effects. I mean, even before the 3DS came out, I was like, OMG, what if pokemon was 3D?! My peers shared the same views as well. I had thought Black/White 2 was coming out on the 3DS, and to no avail. Now that is upon us, I cna't wait. Seriously, am I the only person who wants to get Flamethrower'd in the face? XD
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