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Old May 1st, 2012 (4:03 AM). Edited July 15th, 2012 by EmperorWar.
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    Tyranitar
    Ability: Sandstream
    Item: Chopple Berry
    Nature: Carefull

    EV
    HP 252
    SpD 252
    Def 004

    Moveset
    • Stealth Rock
    • Substitute
    • Superpower
    • Pursuit

    Forretress
    Ability: Sturdy
    Item: Leftovers
    Nature: Sassy

    EV
    HP 252
    SpD 252
    Def 004

    Moveset
    • Rapid Spin
    • Spikes
    • Toxic Spikes
    • Earthquake

    Brongzong
    Ability: Levitate
    Item: Light Clay
    Nature: Sassy

    EV
    HP 252
    Def 128
    SpD 128

    Moveset
    • Substitute
    • Earthquake
    • Reflect
    • Light Screen

    Ferrothorn
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    Item: Shed Shell
    Nature: Relaxed

    EV
    HP 252
    SpD 252
    Def 004

    Moveset
    • Ingrain
    • Leeach Seed
    • Power Whip
    • Substitute

    Gliscor
    Ability: Poison Heal
    Item: Toxic Orb
    Nature: Impish

    EV
    HP 252
    Def 252
    SpD 004

    Moveset
    • Substitute
    • Protect
    • Taunt
    • Earthquake

    Jirachi
    Ability: Serence Grace
    Item: Leftovers
    Nature: Careful

    EV
    HP 252
    SpD 252
    Def 004

    Moveset
    • Wish
    • Iron Head
    • Protect
    • Substitute

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    Old May 1st, 2012 (4:32 PM).
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    Just so you're not stuck on a weak STAB on Tyranitar, use Crunch over Substitute so it can hit things hard without resorting to Superpower (which lowers your physical stats after each use) or Pursuit (which is weak unless the opponent switches).

    Your team has a pretty big weakness to Fire, with Tyranitar being the only one who can take Fire attacks. Replace Bronzong with Heatran:
    -Fire Blast
    -Earth Power
    -Hidden Power (Ice/Grass)
    -Taunt/Toxic/Stealth Rock (latter move is there in case Tyranitar goes down and your Stealth Rock is spun away)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Air Balloon

    You already have Forretress to set up hazards and spin them away, so I'd suggest dropping Ferrothorn for something else, like Virizion, who shares excellent defensive synergy with Tyranitar, despite taking damage from Sandstorm. It also helps against that massive Water weakness you have:
    -Reflect
    -Light Screen
    -Taunt
    -Giga Drain/Close Combat/Sacred Sword
    Nature: Timid/Jolly
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Light Clay/Leftovers

    Make Gliscor's EV spread 252 HP/184 Def/72 Spe to outspeed Tyranitar and Breloom.

    With the above changes, Ferrothorn is pretty much dead weight here. Latias or Latios can fill in that slot to help check them:

    Latias:
    -Calm Mind
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Recover
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Substitute/Roar
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    or
    -Calm Mind
    -Dragon Pulse
    -Recover
    -Reflect/Refresh
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/228 Def/28 Spe
    Item: Leftovers

    Latios:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Surf
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Dragon Pulse
    -Trick/Psyshock
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf

    Jirachi's nature and EV spread are out of place. It's better off with a specially defensive spread. And why Bold? It's using a physical attack and that's a waste:
    -Iron Head
    -Body Slam/Thunder Wave
    -Wish
    -Fire Punch/Protect/Stealth Rock
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/224 SDef/32 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
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    Old June 28th, 2012 (11:46 PM).
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      Thank you for your reply and sorry for the very late answer.About the Nature of Jirachi, I was confused, I meant indeed Careful nature.
      The EV spread of Gliscor is indeed a better idee, if it can outspeed the 2 OU pokemons
      Further, I realized that the Poison Heal ability of Gliscor can only be obtained in Dream World.
      And that I have heard its difficult to obtains those Dream World abilities.
      For the other changes that you suggest about it, I will think about it.
      Again, sorry for the late reaction.
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      Old July 3rd, 2012 (10:27 PM).
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        Great team! I think you should consider using spikes on ferrothorn since it can wear down your opponent quickly. Have Fun!
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        Old July 15th, 2012 (1:34 PM). Edited July 15th, 2012 by EmperorWar.
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          Great team! I think you should consider using spikes on ferrothorn since it can wear down your opponent quickly. Have Fun!
          Thank you.
          The reason that Ferrothorn has no Spikes, is beacause thats Forretress' job. But I have brainstormed, and I think I will replace Forretress for Cloyster. This because of the too many Fire weaknesses. Further more, Jirachi will be replace by Umbereon, same reason of Forretress, plus it can heal the team with Wish.

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          Cloyster
          Ability: Overcoat
          Item: Leftovers
          Nature: Impish

          EV
          HP 252
          SpD 252
          Def 004

          Moveset
          • Rapid Spin
          • Spikes
          • Toxic Spikes
          • Aqua Ring


          Umbreon
          Ability: Synchronize
          Item: Leftovers
          Nature: Careful

          EV
          HP 252
          SpD 252
          Def 004

          Moveset
          • Wish
          • Heal Bell
          • Substitute
          • Payback

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          Old July 16th, 2012 (2:00 AM).
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            All respect to Umbreon, but it has nothing compared to one of it's brethren, Vaporeon, not to mention it's a bulky water and it's SAtk stat is always overlooked, Vaporeon fits that role perfectly;

            Vaporeon @ Leftovers
            Ability: Water Absorb
            Nature: Bold
            EV's: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
            Moveset:

            ~ Wish
            ~ Protect
            ~ Scald
            ~ Baton Pass/Roar/Acid Armor/Toxic

            Consider this one .
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            Old July 16th, 2012 (3:09 AM).
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              All respect to Umbreon, but it has nothing compared to one of it's brethren, Vaporeon, not to mention it's a bulky water and it's SAtk stat is always overlooked, Vaporeon fits that role perfectly;

              Vaporeon @ Leftovers
              Ability: Water Absorb
              Nature: Bold
              EV's: 248 HP/252 Def/8 Spe
              Moveset:

              ~ Wish
              ~ Protect
              ~ Scald
              ~ Baton Pass/Roar/Acid Armor/Toxic

              Consider this one .
              Thank, its indeed a better plan to use Vaporeon over Umbereon.
              Tbh, I didn't know Vaporeon could use Whish, maybe I overlooked
              And I think I will go for this spread:

              Vaporeon @ Leftovers
              Ability: Water Absorb
              Nature: Bold
              EV's: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
              Moveset:
              • Wish
              • Protect
              • Scald
              • Substitue


              Let me know what you think about the spread
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              Old July 16th, 2012 (3:18 AM).
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              If you're using Vaporeon, drop Cloyster. Overcoat is useless on it and it really should stick to Skill Link for guaranteed 5-hit Icicle Spears and Rock Blasts.

              A Pokemon to consider over that is Reuniclus. It has Magic Guard to negate passive damage:
              -Calm Mind
              -Psychic/Psyshock
              -Focus Blast
              -Recover
              Nature: Bold
              EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
              Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
              Ability: Magic Guard

              or
              -Trick Room
              -Psychic/Psyshock
              -Shadow Ball
              -Focus Blast
              Nature: Quiet
              EVs: 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
              Item: Life Orb
              Ability: Magic Guard
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              Old July 16th, 2012 (4:01 AM).
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                Quote:
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                Thank, its indeed a better plan to use Vaporeon over Umbereon.
                Tbh, I didn't know Vaporeon could use Whish, maybe I overlooked
                And I think I will go for this spread:

                Vaporeon @ Leftovers
                Ability: Water Absorb
                Nature: Bold
                EV's: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SpD
                Moveset:
                • Wish
                • Protect
                • Scald
                • Substitue


                Let me know what you think about the spread
                Change 4 SpD to 4 SAtk and the it's looking good , but also think about taking Plat's advice as he makes a good point.
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                Old July 16th, 2012 (5:05 AM).
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                  If you're using Vaporeon, drop Cloyster. Overcoat is useless on it and it really should stick to Skill Link for guaranteed 5-hit Icicle Spears and Rock Blasts.

                  A Pokemon to consider over that is Reuniclus. It has Magic Guard to negate passive damage:
                  -Calm Mind
                  -Psychic/Psyshock
                  -Focus Blast
                  -Recover
                  Nature: Bold
                  EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
                  Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
                  Ability: Magic Guard

                  or
                  -Trick Room
                  -Psychic/Psyshock
                  -Shadow Ball
                  -Focus Blast
                  Nature: Quiet
                  EVs: 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
                  Item: Life Orb
                  Ability: Magic Guard
                  The reason that I have Cloyster in the team, is becaise of its DEF + it can Spikes & Posion Spikes. Both of those moves are important for my team to Stall the opponent, while the hazards are doing there job.

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                  Change 4 SpD to 4 SAtk and the it's looking good , but also think about taking Plat's advice as he makes a good point.
                  Thats a good idea to replace the 4 SpD for the 4 SpA.
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                  Old July 16th, 2012 (5:10 AM).
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                  The reason that I have Cloyster in the team, is becaise of its DEF + it can Spikes & Posion Spikes. Both of those moves are important for my team to Stall the opponent, while the hazards are doing there job.
                  True, but Forretress can do it better because of its better defensive typing and natural immunity to Sandstorm. And did I also mention that Cloyster should always use Skill Link and not Overcoat?:
                  -Spikes
                  -Toxic Spikes
                  -Rapid Spin
                  -Gyro Ball/Volt Switch/Earthquake
                  Nature: Relaxed/Sassy
                  EVs: 252 HP/176 Def/80 SDef (Relaxed) or 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef (Sassy)
                  Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
                  Ability: Sturdy
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                  Old July 16th, 2012 (5:29 AM). Edited July 16th, 2012 by Ninjagon.
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                    And did I also mention that Cloyster should always use Skill Link and not Overcoat?:
                    Yes you did, lol xD

                    Quote:
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                    That's a good idea to replace the 4 SpD for the 4 SpA.
                    Yeah i guess, but seriously, i know for a fact Plat has had more experience, i was even under his wing at a time. Vaporeon needs this set to work so i just said "Hey, why put that extra point into SpD when it clearly doesn't need investment due to the high Base Stat and put it into its offensive side?"

                    EDIT: BTW This is my 100th post! :D (So i thought..)
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                    Old July 16th, 2012 (6:07 AM).
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                      Thank you both for the advice. I really appreciate your advice.
                      Now I have the 'theory' for the team, its time to assemble the team.
                       
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