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The Trubbish line and the Vanillite line: Why all the hate?

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Old November 17th, 2013 (4:59 PM).
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    For me, it's only minorly what they're based on. It's more that the designs are just bad like a lot of the Gen V ones.
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      Personally, I think Vanillite is cute and I have a Vanilluxe in my White 2 team.

      I don't see anything wrong with Pokemon based on inanimate objects (I also like Chandelure, Rotom and Klefki). I mean who said Pokemon should only be based on animals, plants and mythical creatures?
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        Even though they are great Pokemon and I even enjoy both of their designs. Genwunners just LOVE to complain about anything! The fact one is trash and the other is ice cream is awesome! I mean gen one there were sludge Pokemon and a pink pile of *** (ditto).
        This is the hypocritical stance I've seen a lot of. While many people complain about Trubbish and Vannilite, the people who complain about the people complaining complain about Grimer and Ditto.

        Those four pokemon are different, and everyone has a personal taste. And just because people don't like, say, Trubbish, doesn't mean they completely overlooked the fact that Grimer is a bad design too. Maybe they also dislike Grimer. Heck, maybe they like Grimer, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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        Old November 19th, 2013 (6:34 PM).
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          Vanillite and Trubbish have far more complex desgins than Exxegute or Voltore/ Electrode, for ecample. Even Ditto, Muk, and Grimer have "worse" designs than the 5th gen pokemon who get all the hate for no apparent reason

          I don't like the "dirty pokemon" like Trubbish and Garbodor, but I'm not going to sit here and say that Game freak is running out of ideas because the pokemon are being based off random, common items. So have gen 1- 4 pokemon

          I dunno. Some people just like to find things to ***** about
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            See my signature for the Trubbish reason. It's all personal taste, opinion, nothing more.

            I kinda like the Vanillish, some people have pokemon "food fights," and it's kind of a neat idea.

            The thing is, it's all subjective, the theme of Pokemon means anything goes, and eventually we'll see everything in there. I would like a counterpart to the Trubbish family, something that is their exact opposite in every way, it would be kind of cool to have a double battle with a Garbodor and it's polar opposite side by side.
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            I personally don't like the Trubbish line, but that's just my taste. There are Pokemon that I don't really like across all the generations, and gen 5 is no exception. The Vanillite line was actually pretty cute, though.
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            I'm only speaking for myself, but I find all Pokemon based on man-made things weird, regardless of the generation, with two exceptions: Ghost-type Pokemon that resemble inanimate objects (often with some kind of explanation in the Pokedex entry that says it's a spirit possessing the object), and Pokemon that are explicitly said to be man-made, like Porygon.

            I know that Pokemon are monsters and not animals, but the fact that they are technically living, sentient creatures capable of reproduction and emotions makes it kind of wierd that they can inherently take the form of an ice cream cone, which is a frozen dessert that only exists for people to eat. I don't hate it, it just doesn't make sense to me, and I have a much harder time liking Pokemon that don't have anthropomorphic features besides a pair of eyes and a mouth.

            I wouldn't say they're running out of ideas, because obviously inanimate objects Pokemon have existed since Gen I, I just don't particularly care for that kind of Pokemon.
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              Speaking for myself, I think Trubbish is just a reproposed Muk/Swalot in terms of appeal: a poison/rubbish/toxical wastes bag that you can use to fight. Yay. If we compare Trubbish with the first ones, we literly have just a bag of rubbish (lol ). Personally I don't like the idea and find it aesthetically bad.

              As for Vanilluxe, I don't know. What I mean is: who wouldn't like to fight other mons using a giant ice-breathing ice cream? Maybe it's just too absurd as idea to fit with the V gen mons
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                I wanted to like Trubbish and Garbodor but they couldn't take hits at all.
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                  I don't mind Trubbish, and personally love Vanillite. But people hate them for the same reasons they hate the Litwick line, Chingling and Klefki because they're based off of objects instead of animals... but yet at the same time I haven't heard anyone really hate Honedge
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                  I don't mind Trubbish, and personally love Vanillite. But people hate them for the same reasons they hate the Litwick line, Chingling and Klefki because they're based off of objects instead of animals... but yet at the same time I haven't heard anyone really hate Honedge
                  And yet pokemon have been based off objects science gen 1
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                  Ohh I've had this conversation so many times...

                  Hate is a strong word but, I'm definitely not a fan. To clarify, I don't think they're running out of ideas, because in all honesty I really think they upped the ante in creativity with the Gen V designs. But there's a few reasons I don't like these two evolutionary lines.

                  For one, they are pretty poorly designed IMO. This has nothing to do with what they are (garbage and ice cream), but the design. To put it bluntly, they don't look like Pokemon. As a demonstration of what I mean, imagine this: imagine you had seen them before you had any knowledge of Gen V, and no context. Would you even guess that they were Pokemon? My first thought when I see them is "ice cream cone/garbage heap with a face", not "ice cream Pokemon/garbage heap Pokemon". Compare that to Zoroark. Immediately recognizable as a Pokemon.

                  Another thing is the concepts. Garbage and ice cream just aren't very interesting things to anthropomorphize. Of course, they're not the only offenders in this regard (looking at you, Mr. Gen I floating rock with arms).

                  And of course, there's their evolution. Trubbish goes from garbage to more garbage, and Vanillite goes from ice cream cone, to bigger ice cream cone, to bigger ice cream cone with two scoops. Blegh...they I know they could have thought of something better. Again they're not the only offenders, but I think it made a bit more sense with Magneton, because when a Magnemite gets strong enough its magnet pulls in other Magnemites.

                  I think the biggest one is the first one--they just don't look like Pokemon. But they can't be all perfect. For having designed over 718 of them, I think they've done a darn good job making most of them creative and interesting
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                    And yet pokemon have been based off objects science gen 1
                    Indeed plenty of gen 1 pokemon get hate for poor designs... It just seems like more of it is aimed at gens 4-6 because people like clinging onto the the idea that they're running out of designs, plus people like to pretend that old things are always better no matter how flawed.
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                      The concept is boring but trubbish and garbador are pretty good at poisoning me, nuff said.
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                      Ok, so despite the fact that everything I previously said stands, Vanillite has officially grown on me. It's cute :3
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                        I understand this thread. I started the "least favourite Pokémon" thread, and a lot of people have said trubbish.
                        I think that there is one thing that everyone can like about a Pokémon, even their least favourite. For me, I like trubbish for his sounds. trub trub trub.
                        Vanilite is just so adorabl.
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                        I don't mind either of these pokemon. They don't seem all that bad to me. There are worse than these two. Plus I think Vanillite is cute. It's based off of ice cream after all.
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                            I don't mind Trubbish. Vanillite though, just comes off as lazy to me.
                            It's literally just an ice cream with eyes.
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                                I just flat out dont understand the hate.
                                Maybe they are think its too childish?
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