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        I can't shake the notion that we're put here as a simulation somehow, and they've gotta keep us from finding proof of that by constantly inventing more layers beneath the atom so we can never find out quite how things are put together, and making us believe the universe has no end so we can never escape etc.

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        Occam's razor debunks this theory (thought it is very interesting). However, assuming the simulation theory is true, what would our purpose in life be in this case?
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        I can't shake the notion that we're put here as a simulation somehow, and they've gotta keep us from finding proof of that by constantly inventing more layers beneath the atom so we can never find out quite how things are put together, and making us believe the universe has no end so we can never escape etc.

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        Elon Musk was in a hot tub talking about this question with one of his friends or brothers or something. The way I understand the question is that, provided that life-like simulations are developed in the "real" universe, we are almost absolutely living in a simulation. Why? Well, there can be only one "real world", but if that real world could create life-like simulations, you could create many, perhaps infinite simulations. So the probability that we actually are in the real world is one in a very very very large number, which is infinitisimally small.

        I don't think Occam's razor really applies in this scenario, assuming that life-like simulations indistinguishable from reality could exist, because we wouldn't be able to tell whether we're in a simulation or not.
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        Occam's razor debunks this theory (thought it is very interesting). However, assuming the simulation theory is true, what would our purpose in life be in this case?
        What's the purpose of The Sims? Of the soldiers and citizens in Civilization V? Maybe we're not a primitive game in the same way, but why do we simulate things? Either to test a hypothesis out, or for enjoyment.
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          What's the purpose of The Sims? Of the soldiers and citizens in Civilization V? Maybe we're not a primitive game in the same way, but why do we simulate things? Either to test a hypothesis out, or for enjoyment.
          That answers why someone/thing/whatever would run a simulation, but it does not explain our own lives' purpose within the simulation. "I think, therefore I am." My decisions come from me - regardless of your belief on free will - my cells are making decisions. Not some overlord.
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          That answers why someone/thing/whatever would run a simulation, but it does not explain our own lives' purpose within the simulation. "I think, therefore I am." My decisions come from me - regardless of your belief on free will - my cells are making decisions. Not some overlord.
          "I think, therefore I am." not quite.

          There is no actual proof of consciousness. There's no way for us to know if our thoughts are arbitrary and/or are tailored by our experiences; we can assume because it's what makes sense for us, but there is no hard evidence, and funnily enough, we do have evidence saying that our thoughts and actions can be tailored by our biology. With that in mind, think about it this way: there is evidence supporting the theory that we are biased to think/act in a predetermined way, and there is no evidence of free will or consciousness.
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            "I think, therefore I am." not quite.

            There is no actual proof of consciousness. There's no way for us to know if our thoughts are arbitrary and/or are tailored by our experiences; we can assume because it's what makes sense for us, but there is no hard evidence, and funnily enough, we do have evidence saying that our thoughts and actions can be tailored by our biology. With that in mind, think about it this way: there is evidence supporting the theory that we are biased to think/act in a predetermined way, and there is no evidence of free will or consciousness.
            I never made any argument in favor of free will. I said that I make my own decisions- whether they are consciousness or not. These decisions may be the result of biology, determinism, or consciousness or a mix. Basically, my body makes my decisions.
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            I never made any argument in favor of free will. I said that I make my own decisions- whether they are consciousness or not. These decisions may be the result of biology, determinism, or consciousness or a mix. Basically, my body makes my decisions.
            You did, though. Maybe unwillingly. That quote you used, "I think, there I am" comes from Rene Descartes meditation about free will, here quoted from Wikipedia:

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            The phrase cogito ergo sum is not used in Descartes's Meditations on First Philosophy but the term "the cogito" is used to refer to an argument from it. In the Meditations, Descartes phrases the conclusion of the argument as "that the proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind." (Meditation II)
            At the beginning of the second meditation, having reached what he considers to be the ultimate level of doubt—his argument from the existence of a deceiving god—Descartes examines his beliefs to see if any have survived the doubt. In his belief in his own existence, he finds that it is impossible to doubt that he exists. Even if there were a deceiving god (or an evil demon), one's belief in their own existence would be secure, for there is no way one could be deceived unless one existed in order to be deceived.
            But I have convinced myself that there is absolutely nothing in the world, no sky, no earth, no minds, no bodies. Does it now follow that I, too, do not exist? No. If I convinced myself of something [or thought anything at all], then I certainly existed. But there is a deceiver of supreme power and cunning who deliberately and constantly deceives me. In that case, I, too, undoubtedly exist, if he deceives me; and let him deceive me as much as he can, he will never bring it about that I am nothing, so long as I think that I am something. So, after considering everything very thoroughly, I must finally conclude that the proposition, I am, I exist, is necessarily true whenever it is put forward by me or conceived in my mind. (AT VII 25; CSM II 16–17[clarification needed])
            If you didn't mean that then we're good, I just thought you did because you used that quote in particular.
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              I stand by the idea that we create purpose as opposed to a purpose creating us, so it really depends on who you ask. Some just want to enjoy life, some want to succeed, some want to make the world a better place or be remembered for something, some want to continue their lineage, some want to have children who can do one of or multiple of the above.

              I would probably fall into the all of the above category, but I don't think I've reached the point in my life yet when I've settled on an answer to such introspective questions.

              I'll probably never settle on a purpose for myself, so I just try to do the best I can in everything and hope it's enough. I suppose I'd like to be remembered as having done something that affects people outside of the usual circles of family and friends that everyone affects, but I'd also be okay with not doing that.

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              Is it possible to find a purpose without religion?
              I'm an atheist and I feel like the only people who think this are some religious people. I personally feel like life actually becomes a lot more purposeful without religion. With an afterlife this world just becomes a stepping stone, whereas in a world view without God, our time is limited and we have to make the most of it to impact the people in the future who will have their own limited lifetimes.

              I like how Ricky Gervais put it: we have nothing to die for but everything to live for. For the religious, it seems more like the meaning of life is simply to die above a certain threshold to get to the next stage, if that makes sense.

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              How do you find your purpose? Or is there no purpose in life? If there is no purpose in life, what do you do?
              Pretty much explained above. Life doesn't have inherent purpose but we can give it purpose.
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                I'm an atheist and I feel like the only people who think this are some religious people. I personally feel like life actually becomes a lot more purposeful without religion. With an afterlife this world just becomes a stepping stone, whereas in a world view without God, our time is limited and we have to make the most of it to impact the people in the future who will have their own limited lifetimes.

                I like how Ricky Gervais put it: we have nothing to die for but everything to live for. For the religious, it seems more like the meaning of life is simply to die above a certain threshold to get to the next stage, if that makes sense.


                Pretty much explained above. Life doesn't have inherent purpose but we can give it purpose.
                I think it depends on the religion. If you take Protestantism as an example: everything is a gift from God, and as a result, the value should be maximized. This is the origin of the Protestant work ethic. In this case, life isn't merely a stepping stone, but something to be utilized for happiness and achieving eternal glory, as well as helping others do the same along the way. In a way, I can see how this is somewhat overlapping with atheism (maximizing one's life), but the definition of happiness is radically different. Among other obvious differences.
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