Eevee Sucks

gimmepie · Feb 6, 2016

bobandbill said:
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So, was Why Eevee Sucks greenlit or do I need to make a seperate proposal for that or...?

gimmepie · Feb 10, 2016

Eevee is Great! (Except at Battling)

Introduction

Ever since the early days of generation one, where the unhealthily obsessed character, Bill, first introduced us to the indecisive Pokemon, Eevee has been amongst the Pokémon community's favourites. So what is it about this Pokémon that endears us to it so? Its fantastic typing? Its expansive movepool? Why is there so much hype over a Pokémon that's outclassed by Bidoof?

A notable member of the Little Cup (LC) tier on Smogon, Eevee is a very versatile Pokémon. It possesses the somewhat unique ability to be steamrolled by each and every other Pokémon in the LC meta by a number at least equalling the number of its evolutions. That's right! There is nothing Eevee does that other Pokémon don't do better!

Eevee on the Offensive

Let's start by looking at Eevee's formidable offensive stats. Possessing a spread of 55/45/55 for its Attack, Special Attack and Speed, at first glance Eevee doesn't look half bad for an unevolved Pokémon. It even packs an excellent ability in Adaptability which boosts its same-type attack bonus (STAB). This first glance is misleading: Eevee sucks. First and foremost, Eevee is limited by its pure Normal typing. It hits nothing super-effectively and even though it can hit hard with a 2X powered Double-Edge or Return to deal some hefty neutral damage, it's completely walled by Rock and Steel. Ghosts can also cause problems if you're not smart enough to use a set with Bite. Sadly for our little Eevee, all three are common in the LC meta.

"But that's okay!" you might say, "Normal types always have a wide variety of different typed moves for coverage!" You would be wrong. You see, a big part of Eevee's appeal is its pool of evolutions. What people forget is that these evolutions also cause little Eevee to have a painfully limited movepool. Eevee simply cannot have access to the usual coverage options. Otherwise, its specialised evolutions would end up having access to moves that would make absolutely no sense.

"Well there's nothing better," you might contend, but once again, that would be a fallacy. As far as offensive Normal types go in Little Cup there's the likes of Bunnelby, Aipom, Porygon and Rattata. All four of these Pokémon hit harder than Eevee, are able to cover their weakness better and (with the exception of Porygon, who doesn't need to be) are all faster. That's right, even the likes of Rattata are in the top percentage of LC Normal types when compared to Eevee.

Go forth you brave (but terrible) little Pokemon! (Image Source)

Eevee on the Defence

So obviously, Eevee is no offensive Pokémon. Perhaps however, it shines in the defensive side of things? With a defensive spread of 55/50/65 for its HP, Defence and Special Defence, it's certainly bulkier than most of the offensive stars mentioned above. Compared to the exceptionally frail Bunnelby, Eevee can even survive Fletchling's Acrobatics after Stealth Rock damage. This might sound good to you, but we need to remember that Eevee still lacks any resistance to other types outside of its immunity to Ghost attacks. It's also going to be absolutely slaughtered by the potent Fighting type threats of the LC meta-game such as Riolu, Mienfoo and Scraggy. Not to mention the multitude of other Pokémon with access to Fighting-typed coverage moves – including its offensive betters previously mentioned.

It's not like Eevee is your only option defensively either (in fact calling it an option next to the Pokémon I'm about to mention is rather generous). Lickitung, Munchlax and (again) Porygon are much better alternatives. All three possess much better defensive stats than Eevee and far better abilities and/or movepools to serve as defensive Pokémon or bulky attackers. Porygon in particular stands out as a phenomenal defensive Normal type, thanks to its reliable recovery and access to Psychic to punish Fighting types switching in.

There's too much Eevee love! There's just too much! (Image Source)

In Conclusion

Yes, Eevee is well loved by Pokémon fans the world over, but it certainly doesn't deserve its love from a competitive standpoint. In fact, it seems clear that the only real crowd-winner of Eevee is its evolution gimmick (allowing it to evolve in to one of eight equally outclassed Pokémon) and its cute design. If you really want a Normal-typed champion to compete in Little Cup battles, look no further than Porygon. It's amongst the greatest bulky attackers, possessing fantastic defensive stats when boosted by Eviolite and a murderous Special Attack combined with access to good abilities. It's even got an "on" at the end for you eeveelution fanatics. Unfortunately though, the beloved Eevee kind of sucks… and by kind of, I mean you couldn't pay me enough to use it.

curiousnathan · Feb 11, 2016

Anything in red are changes I've made.

gimmepie said:
Ever since the early days of generation one, where the unhealthily obsessed character Bill first introduced us to one of the few pokemon that can give Ditto a run for its money in the indecisiveness category, Eevee has been amongst the pokemon community's favourites. So what is it about this pokemon that endears us to it so? Its fantastic typing? Its expansive movepool? Why is there so much hype over a pokemon that's outclassed by bidoof?

Changed "it's" to "its." Possessive is "its." It's = it is.

A notable member of the Little Cup tier on Smogon, Eevee is a very versatile pokemon. It possesses the somewhat unique ability to be steamrolled by each and every other pokemon in the LC meta by a number at least equalling the number of its evolutions. That's right! There is nothing Eevee does that other pokemon don't do better!

Perhaps ability is a more suitable word considering it's referring to Eevee being able to DO something, rather than being or having something.

Let's start by looking at Eevee's formidable offensive stats. Possessing a spread of 55/45/55 for its attack, special attack and speed, at first glance Eevee doesn't look half bad for an unevolved pokemon, it even packs an excellent ability in Adaptability. This first glance is misleading, Eevee sucks. First and foremost,Eevee is limited by its pure normal typing. It hits nothing super-effectively and even though it can hit hard with a 2X powered Double-Edge or Return to deal some hefty neutral damage, it's completely walled by rock, steel and other normal-types. Especially, if you're not smart enough to use a set with Bite, ghosts too. Not a big surprise, all four are quite common in Little Cup teams.

Just be careful with your sentence length. Some are a bit too long and for me as a reader I get lost easily because of that. Mix sentence lengths up a bit to give variety and to keep the reader on track. Anything in red is basically just ways of breaking things up.

"But that's okay!" you might say, "Normal-types always have a wide variety of different typed moves for coverage!" You would be wrong. You see, a big part of Eevee's appeal is its wide pool of evolutions. What people forget, is that these evolutions also cause little Eevee to have a painfully limited movepool. Eevee simply cannot have access to the usual coverage options. Otherwise, its specialised evolutions would end up having access to moves that would make absolutely no sense.

Replaced "draw to people" with "appeal." Less words, same meaning; fits better. Again be wary of the difference between it's and its. Also just separated some sentences up.

"Well there's nothing better." you might contend, but once again, that would be a fallacy. As far as offensive normal types go in Little Cup there's the like of Bunnelby, Aipom, Porygon and Rattata. All fourof these pokemon hit harder than Eevee, have much wider coverage that covers their weaknesses and with the exception of Porygon (which doesn't need to) are all faster. That' right, even the likes of Rattata are in the top percentage of LC normal-types when compared to Eevee.

You mentioned four Pokemon but then went on to say "these three."

So obviously, Eevee is no offensive pokemon. Perhaps however, it shines in the defensive side of things? With a defensive spread of 55/50/65 for its HP, defence and special defence, it's certainly bulkier than the offensive stars of LC mentioned above. Compared to the exceptionally frail Bunnelby, Eevee can even survive Fletchling's Acrobatics after Stealth Rock damage. This might sound good to you, but we need to remember that's Eevee still lacks any resistance to other types outside of its immunity to ghost attacks and it's going to be absolutely slaughtered by the potent fighting type threats of the LC meta-game such as Meditite, Mienfoo and Scraggy. Not to mention the multitude of other pokemon with access to fighting-typed coverage moves – including its offensive betters previously mentioned.

Removed "then." More super long sentences. Broke things up a bit.

It's not like Eevee is your only option defensively either (in fact calling it an option next to the pokemon I'm about to mention is rather generous), Lickitung, Munchlax and (again) Porygon are much better alternatives. All three possess much better defensive stats than Eevee and far better abilities and/or movepools to serve as defensive pokemon or bulky attackers. Porygon in particular stands out as a phenomenal defensive normal type, thanks to its reliable recovery through Recover and access to Psychic to punish fighting-types switching in.

Yes, Eevee is well loved by pokemon fans the world over, but it certainly doesn't deserve its love from a competitive standpoint. In fact, it seems clear that the only real crowd-winner of Eevee is its evolution gimmick (allowing it to evolve in to one of eight equally outclassed pokemon) and its cute design. If you really want a normal-typed champion to compete in Little Cup battles, look no further than Porygon. It's amongst the greatest bulky attackers, possessing fantastic defensive stats when boosted by eviolite and a murderous special attack combined with access to good abilities. It's even got an "on" at the end for you eeveelution fanatics. Unfortunately though, the beloved Eevee kind of sucks… and by kind of, I mean you couldn't pay me enough to use it.

Not sure "draw in" is the best choice of word, but neither is "crowd-winner." Not sure what we could put there to make it flow better. Also, just a reminder to change all of the 'e's in Pokemon to é, and "pokemon" to "Pokémon." Of course, my corrections aren't perfect and I'm bound to have missed things.

Great work gimme. :)

gimmepie · Feb 11, 2016

curiousnathan said:
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Thanks for that, I can't grammar and write at the same time for some reason and missed all those its when I read through lol

gimmepie · Feb 11, 2016

Just posting to say I applied Nathan's corrections.

gimmepie · Feb 15, 2016

With the caption "Too much Eevee love. IT'S JUST TOO MUCH!"

Astinus · Feb 15, 2016

You still need to change all instances of the word to "Pokémon" and capitalize the species names. So they should all be "Eevee", "Bidoof", "Rattata", and etc.

Ever since the early days of generation one, where the unhealthily obsessed character, Bill, first introduced us to one of the few pokemon that can give Ditto a run for its money in the indecisiveness category, Eevee has been amongst the pokemon community's favourites.

This sentence is rather long, and can cause a reader to get tripped up in the middle. Maybe cut out the part about Ditto to save words.

Possessing a spread of 55/45/55 for its attack, special attack and speed, at first glance Eevee doesn't look half bad for an unevolved pokemon, it even packs an excellent ability in Adaptability.

Put "it even packs an excellent ability in Adaptability" as its own sentence.

This first glance is misleading, Eevee sucks.

Personally, I'd pack more of a wallop to the last two words by either using a colon or having them as their own sentence.

Especially, if you're not smart enough to use a set with Bite, ghosts too.

Cut "Especially." ~~Sorry, Nathan!~~ I would say start the sentence with "And," but that gets a big NO from most people I talk to. So maybe an "Also" instead of "Especially"? Or just reword the sentence to "Ghosts can also cause problems if you're not smart enough to use a set with Bite."

What people forget, is that these evolutions also cause little Eevee to have a painfully limited movepool.

No need for the comma after "forget."

"Well there's nothing better." you might contend, but once again, that would be a fallacy.

Comma" after "better."

All fourof these pokemon hit harder than Eevee, have much wider coverage that covers their weaknesses and with the exception of Porygon (which doesn't need to) are all faster.

"four of"

Also, "with the exception of Porygon (which doesn't need to" should be split from the rest of the sentence better. I can never remember when you use dashes or parenthesis, but it would be something like "All four of these Pokémon hit harder than Eevee, have much wider coverage that covers their weaknesses and (with the exception of Porygon, who doesn't need to be) are all faster."

And now that I've copied that sentence over again, maybe reword the part about weakness coverage so you're not using similar words so close together. So "are able to cover their weaknesses better" or something like that.

That' right, even the likes of Rattata are in the top percentage of LC normal-types when compared to Eevee.

"That's"

This might sound good to you, but we need to remember that's Eevee still lacks any resistance to other types outside of its immunity to ghost attacks and it's going to be absolutely slaughtered by the potent fighting type threats of the LC meta-game such as Meditite, Mienfoo and Scraggy.

"that"

This sentence is long. Put the part about Eevee's lack of resistance in one sentence, and then the part about its weakness to Fighting-type attacks in another.

It's not like Eevee is your only option defensively either (in fact calling it an option next to the pokemon I'm about to mention is rather generous), Lickitung, Munchlax and (again) Porygon are much better alternatives.

Another sentence that should be split. Put a full stop after the closing parenthesis after "generous" so the next part is on its own.

Porygon in particular stands out as a phenomenal defensive normal type, thanks to its reliable recovery through Recover and access to Psychic to punish fighting-types switching in.

Maybe find a way to reword "reliable recovery through Recover" because of the repeating words (unless you want some alliteration?)

That's everything that I saw, with the exception of all the missed capitalization for Pokémon terms. Just read through your article and make sure you have everything capitalized that needs to be.

gimmepie · Feb 15, 2016

I'll apply said changes in a bit!

Edit: Applied those fixes too!

bobandbill · Feb 20, 2016

Some more of my own! Overall the content itself looks good.

Where will that image that you supplied go within the article, gimmepie? If it's to be the cover image it doesn't require a caption, but either way we also need an image source (link to original artist and etc), preferably permission if it's to be a cover image. Maybe a couple more would be good to include as well.

The title I'm no longer sure about given we opted to change the other series (Why ___ Doesn't Suck). Probably will help to include battles/battling in the title to make it clear what the article is about... Why Eevee Sucks at Battling? Eevee is great (except at battling)? Welcome to suggestions.

Main comment (which will be repeated with some specific quotes) is that other things ought to be capitalised as well, especially to be in line with the previous battling article and the games. That means all typings (Normal, Fighting, etc) and stats (Attack, Speed) should be capitalised. There's other inconsistencies as well, e.g. eeveelutions/Eeveelutions are both used. Pick one or the other.

A notable member of the Little Cup tier on Smogon,

Introduce what LC is here (so "Little Cup (LC)")

Possessing a spread of 55/45/55 for its attack, special attack and speed

One case of capitalisation required for stats.

It even packs an excellent ability in Adaptability.

Explain what Adaptability is for those not so well versed with battling,

it's completely walled by rock, steel and other normal-types.

Rock, Steel, Normal.

Not a big surprise, all four are quite common in Little Cup teams.

"This wouldn't be a big surprise, as all four types are quite common in Little Cup teams."

"Well there's nothing better.", you might contend,

"Well, there's nothing better," you might contend,

That's right, even the likes of Rattata are in the top percentage of LC normal-types when compared to Eevee.

Again, Normal-types.

With a defensive spread of 55/50/65 for its HP, defence and special defence,

Capitalise stats.

Porygon in particular stands out as a phenomenal defensive normal type, thanks to its reliable recovery and access to Psychic to punish fighting-types switching in.

Capitalise Normal, Fighting.

(allowing it to evolve in to one of eight equally outclassed Pokémon)

Is this true? Idk if all the Eeveelutions are always bad choices, e.g. Doubles, lower Singles tiers.

If you really want a normal-typed

Normal

possessing fantastic defensive stats when boosted by eviolite

Evolite.

Christos · Feb 20, 2016

I think dividing it in sections, like in Aurora's blog post here, would make it look nicer and easier to read

gimmepie · Feb 21, 2016

Will go through and re-edit either tonight or tomorrow.

gimmepie · Feb 24, 2016

bobandbill said:
Is this true? Idk if all the Eeveelutions are always bad choices, e.g. Doubles, lower Singles tiers.

Whilst the eeveelutions are definitely not the worst pokemon in their respective tiers, they are generally outclassed rather severely by other pokemon. For example Flareon has the strongest Flare Blitz in NU but is horribly outclassed by pokemon like Magmortar and Pyroar. Sylveon is an OU pokemon and a decent special attacker but faces stiff competition from M-Gardevoir, M-Altaria and Clefable. Azumarill is also available as a physical alternative.

Went through and fixed all the capitalisation issues (I think). I also added in sources for the images. I haven't given much thought to a cover picture though.

Christos said:
I think dividing it in sections, like in Aurora's blog post here, would make it look nicer and easier to read

Restructured it to be more similar to Aurora's blog. Also added in images to the post to give a general idea of how it will look when added to the Daily.

bobandbill · Mar 19, 2016

It hits nothing super-effectively and even though it can hit hard with a 2X powered Double-Edge or Return to deal some hefty neutral damage, it's completely walled by Rock, Steel and other Normal types.

I'd add in a comma before the first 'and'. Is it walled by other Normal types? Honest question, idk why it would be walled by Normal types more than others like Grass, Water, etc in Eevee's case (Rock and Steel are straightforward however).

Looking good! It needs an excerpt (short sentence or two that'll go with the article title), and a cover image still... couple options:

- Conquest Eevee: https://smortascular.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/133eevee_pokemon_conquest.png
- Eevee in a fight: https://mindygames.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/76.png?w=823&h=426 (From Pokemon Zeta)

Also I keep forgetting - please provide an email address and a username (can't be changed) and nickname (can be changed and how you'd be credited as the author on Daily). We do the author credit thing via an account on the wordpress side.

gimmepie · Mar 20, 2016

bobandbill said:
I'd add in a comma before the first 'and'. Is it walled by other Normal types? Honest question, idk why it would be walled by Normal types more than others like Grass, Water, etc in Eevee's case (Rock and Steel are straightforward however).

Looking good! It needs an excerpt (short sentence or two that'll go with the article title), and a cover image still... couple options:

- Conquest Eevee: https://smortascular.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/133eevee_pokemon_conquest.png
- Eevee in a fight: https://mindygames.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/76.png?w=823&h=426 (From Pokemon Zeta)

Also I keep forgetting - please provide an email address and a username (can't be changed) and nickname (can be changed and how you'd be credited as the author on Daily). We do the author credit thing via an account on the wordpress side.

I actually took that bit out. Whilst it is true that Eevee can have issues with bulky Normal types because of its mediocre stats, Normal doesn't resist itself so it isn't really fair to say it is walled by other Normal types.

The latter image please for the cover. For the excerpt how about
"Eevee is well-liked by much of the Pokemon Community, but perhaps it hasn't earned all this love? Explore the many weaknesses that render Eevee a liability in the only Smogon tier it can be used in."

Just use [email protected] for the email, it's the one I used for this site but I never check it or anything anymore (I can still get in if I need to though). gimmepie is also fine for the username and also for the nickname (gimme is also acceptable for the latter).

Just let me know if you need any other information. I noticed there's notes about the writer at the bottom of articles.

bobandbill · Mar 20, 2016

gimmepie said:
I actually took that bit out. Whilst it is true that Eevee can have issues with bulky Normal types because of its mediocre stats, Normal doesn't resist itself so it isn't really fair to say it is walled by other Normal types.

Fair enough, thought it was a bit odd!

The latter image please for the cover. For the excerpt how about
"Eevee is well-liked by much of the Pokemon Community, but perhaps it hasn't earned all this love? Explore the many weaknesses that render Eevee a liability in the only Smogon tier it can be used in."

Seems alrightto me - I'll just make sure to add the accented é for Pokémon, and idk if 'Smogon' is needed (aren't tiers generally accepted as colloquial terms and the only sort other than those on Smogon/Showdown being VGC or the like?)

Just use [email protected] for the email, it's the one I used for this site but I never check it or anything anymore (I can still get in if I need to though). gimmepie is also fine for the username and also for the nickname (gimme is also acceptable for the latter).

Just let me know if you need any other information. I noticed there's notes about the writer at the bottom of articles.

Check your email! Also that other info can be added by yourself (including your avatar!) after you set your password and login via this: daily.pokecommunity.com/daily-account-login Then go to this page and edit the About Yourself info: http://daily.pokecommunity.com/wp-admin/profile.php

gimmepie · Mar 20, 2016

bobandbill said:
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You could probably take the Smogon bit out.

bobandbill · Apr 16, 2016

[11:36:18 PM] Aurora: waaaaait
[11:36:22 PM] Aurora: meditite is banned from little cup
[11:36:45 PM] Aurora: if gp removes that then it's (ok)

See above! Gave it the complete status at any rate.

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