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Old May 21st, 2013 (11:51 AM).
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I'm not gonna argue or anything but wouldn't asking what the Showdown regulars think of it work better?If you guys already did it, I'm outta here
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Old May 21st, 2013 (12:03 PM).
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I hate alts, it's really awkward coming on and not being able to recognise people and they're just somewhat annoying trying to remember, but equally I don't think they'll ever be removed. You can't ban someone from the server just because they're using too many alts and you can't stop them from making new alts - sure you can take away access ranks but who really cares about that? I think as long as people make an effort to include their new alts in the thread for alts, it'll be fine and there's no problem :p
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Also, I do agree that this is arguing over quite a minor issue. u__u;;;
Just going to let the irony/complete lack of self-awareness sink in here.

I agree anyway though. I can't think of a dumber thing to argue about. I actually can't. Someone help me. Aero brought up a minor issue, Wolf can deal with it as he sees fit, and...oh wait, that's it. That's how it should always be.
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Old May 21st, 2013 (7:05 PM). Edited May 23rd, 2013 by wolf.
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(This post is unrelated to the current discussion.) We have now implemented an important and inevitable rule.

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— Do not post inappropriate content.
Do not link to pornography, hentai, or any other sexually explicit content. Do not directly refer to sexual activity. Do not make gory, vulgar, or distasteful comments. Do not make comments in excessive detail over indirect references to sexual activity or any body part that could be deemed sexual. The same topics must be kept at a minimum, and may never be the main subject of discussion. Do not use usernames that directly reference the aforementioned details.
The previous rule was ineffective because people who disliked sex talk would never contact anyone on the server staff. They would either tell the higher staff or leave the server until the topic is no longer related to sex jokes. More importantly, no extension of PC should allow content like that in the first place. The old rule was more or less a method of trying to see if we could allow it for the sake of our community without causing any significant issues. However, with all that's happened, it simply wasn't working. Instead, we decided to adopt rules that are similar to PC's. Regardless of whether you like it or not, this change was mostly inevitable. We can't allow content that's not allowed on PC. Simple as that.
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Old May 26th, 2013 (3:32 AM). Edited May 26th, 2013 by Dark Azelf.
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    K just posting this on behalf of most of the server, to say that this PG 13 rules is absolutely stupid. We cant even crack a joke without being warned. Most of us are above 13 anyway so its redundant, really.

    Not only does it limit what we can talk about but it limits the essence of the BC and the server. The people who are trying to impose this upon us dont even come to the server and wolf even said that the server isnt even affiliated with PC officially anymore, its a separate entity entirely. Honestly, Syn, Nica, Aurora, Sanguine and p much every "regular" thinks this also. If its because of the PC name can we just remove that.

    The history of the server has always been laid back, away from the main forum where users can relax. We dont want it to become the new IRC or w/e people are trying to make it, its not fun.

    Luke never minded, so why the hell do other people mind now ?

    But yes dont just take my word for it, ask people on the server. We hate it and want it gone. Now.


    [12:40] %Aurora: pg-13 is dumb

    [12:42] Sanguine: I'd have preferred for us to discuss it with the smods instead of them making the rule and expecting us to follow it



    [12:41] @ForeverDash: just wondering do you agree with the PG 13 RULES? y/n
    [12:41] ♥Colοurs♥~: we're just ants in a wasp nest
    [12:41] ♥Colοurs♥~: n
    [12:41] ♥Colοurs♥~: wait
    [12:41] Sanguine: n
    [12:41] srinator: n
    [12:41] @glitchguy: n
    [12:41] %Aurora: n
    [12:41] Zeffy: n obv
    [12:41] ♥Colοurs♥~: Not sure rn
    [12:41] Sanguine: LOL
    [12:41] Drunk Mienshao: N
    [12:41] ♥Colοurs♥~: I pick N
    [12:41] Syndrome: N

    N from me too.

    [12:52] @ForeverDash: js but the only people I see who has a problem with dirty chat is hstaff who barely comes here smh
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    K just posting this on behalf of most of the server, to say that this PG 13 rules is absolutely stupid. We cant even crack a joke without being warned. Most of us are above 13 anyway so its redundant, really.

    Not only does it limit what we can talk about but it limits the essence of the BC and the server. The people who are trying to impose this upon us dont even come to the server and wolf even said that the server isnt even affiliated with PC officially anymore, its a separate entity entirely. Honestly, Syn, Nica, Sanguine and p much every "regular" thinks this also. If its because of the PC name can we just remove that.

    The history of the server has always been laid back, away from the main forum where users can relax. We dont want it to become the new IRC or w/e people are trying to make it, its not fun.

    Luke never minded, so why the hell do other people mind now ?
    from the server staff chat, but;

    [7:33:49 PM] forever skylight: okay im officially going to propose this
    [7:33:51 PM] forever skylight: hm okay
    [7:34:09 PM] forever skylight: what if we disassociated with pc?
    [7:34:15 PM] Aurora: why
    [7:34:18 PM] Dash: lol
    [7:34:19 PM] Dash: what
    [7:34:19 PM] forever skylight: im only suggesting this due to huge member backlash but
    [7:34:22 PM] Dash: omg we can use
    [7:34:25 PM] Dash: the invsion forum
    [7:34:26 PM] forever skylight: technically
    [7:34:27 PM] forever skylight: we could
    [7:34:28 PM] Dash: for our own
    [7:34:28 PM] forever skylight: yeah
    [7:34:31 PM] forever skylight: that would be the one
    [7:34:34 PM] forever skylight: for all ps issues
    [7:34:37 PM] Aurora: invision is ****
    [7:34:42 PM] forever skylight: nobody actually
    [7:34:42 PM] Aurora: use mybb
    [7:34:44 PM] Dash: lolol
    [7:34:45 PM] forever skylight: uses the server for battling
    [7:34:57 PM] forever skylight: and wolf could do the same threads there on the forum
    [7:34:58 PM] Dash: lol
    [7:35:07 PM] forever skylight: it would also allow us to have independance
    [7:35:11 PM] forever skylight: without mass backlash
    [7:35:20 PM] forever skylight: because right now people are being heavily moderated for no reason
    [7:35:24 PM] forever skylight: and we could lose a lot of userbase
    [7:35:50 PM] Aurora: does hstaff have anything to do with this
    [7:35:53 PM] Aurora: or is it just us
    [7:36:00 PM] forever skylight: hstaff

    it's just a suggestion that possibly could help given that if a lot of our active userbase do leave over the heavy moderating then we're back to square one, and i personally would hate to see all the activity going to waste, since the server is primarily the community, rather than the battling.

    to solve this, audy could also code the on-site battling server like he intended to, while the battling server disassociates from pc and turns into a off-site chat, while the battling server is renamed to disassociate from pc, so pc keeps its good name. i'm not sure how much the userbase would be affected, but the same thing happened for PC's Pokemon Clubs, Trading Chat, etc, and when they weren't linked on the forums they were disassociated from PC and therefore there was less heavy moderating. i mean nothing at all against pc, but i just think from all the complaints, this could possibly be considered as a way to help fix everything, while on the server everyone had their freedom to say what they want (even if it's inappropriate), as they have done for 7 or 8 years on PO, net battle, shoddy, and PS for almost a year.
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    Old May 26th, 2013 (3:49 AM). Edited May 26th, 2013 by Silvia.
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    While I do somewhat agree to this rule, I also disagree with it.

    I understand that during my time on the battle server, it has gotten quite inappropriate, but it's happened..surprisingly rarely. I'm sure that most of our regular members are quite used to what happens on this server, and won't really find offence to the stuff that happens there (even some young users join in) , but we also have young/new users who aren't used to the server would just get lost in the sea of inappropro. Personally, I'm neutral to this rule, but the only fact I dislike about it is that nobody's discussed it until it was implemented last minute. It's as if it just..appeared out of nowhere, and we didn't really get warning.

    Almost everyone's against it, as Forever just posted, so I'm not so sure if it should be used at all...but, not up to me.
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    happens on this server, and won't really find offence to the stuff that happens there, but we also have rather young users who may be disgusted.
    There's plenty of young users participating in such discussions js
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      los cubanos hemos esperando por un tiempo mas largo, ahora, ahora es la momenta para la revolucion!!!!!!

      also why are you guys seceding on the forum where THE MODS CAN SEE YOU lol
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      los cubanos hemos esperando por un tiempo mas largo, ahora, ahora es la momenta para la revolucion!!!!!!

      also why are you guys seceding on the forum where THE MODS CAN SEE YOU lol
      because we're trying to file a complaint to them?
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        los cubanos hemos esperando por un tiempo mas largo, ahora, ahora es la momenta para la revolucion!!!!!!

        also why are you guys seceding on the forum where THE MODS CAN SEE YOU lol
        Long hair dont care.

        Its an issue that needs to be sorted mang.
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          because we're trying to file a complaint to them?
          the south did the same thing preceding the civil war, that went pretty badly for them, basically 5-0d by the North with no hax lol gg no re
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          I'll explore the likelihood of disassociating the battle server from PC, but in the mean time, it is the responsibility of the server staff to make the server as appropriate as possible. You have some freedom, you can be laid-back and such, f-bomb being allowed there and all. However, don't be so explicitly gross (even sometimes towards regulars or staff!) that you discourage some members from wanting to be there. Don't 'jokingly' insult nor defame other members using sexual imagery.

          You can find a sort of middle-ground with the userbase, but you'd still have to follow the new rule Wolf just explained. Showdown is linked to on the newest PC skin, so there's another reason why I mind what goes on in Showdown.

          Note that the Pokemon Clubs and Trade channels are still linked in the section rules and announcement, respectively. They aren't separated from PC. Trade's channel is still used during official events. On the channel, there are plenty of older members above the age of 20. There are members who are married and/or have children. Even so, I can't think of a time when sexually explicit details/insults were the main topic. It is doable to have a clean and amusing chat with friends.
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          I don't see what the problem is. It's not difficult to be appropriate, and the sex jokes were getting very old and stale. I don't mind a few subtle sexual innuendos here and there, but it's crossing the line when they're dropped constantly. I see it like this: there are always going to be people that like inappropriate content in the server, and those that don't. PC grants us a chance to advertise the server on one of the largest Pokemon forums, and majority of our community has found the server via PC. To simply ditch its support and run solo just so we can be more vulgar would be a very arrogant decision. The battle server is more active than ever, and we have the potential to make it more active. Do you folks really want to change that?

          If you guys are really desperate, we can make a small, separate channel on the server where the ban on inappropriate content doesn't apply. While this would take away some activity from the main lobby, it would be better than cutting the line between the server and PC.

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          Also, I do agree that this is arguing over quite a minor issue. u__u;;;
          Just going to let the irony/complete lack of self-awareness sink in here.

          I agree anyway though. I can't think of a dumber thing to argue about. I actually can't. Someone help me. Aero brought up a minor issue, Wolf can deal with it as he sees fit, and...oh wait, that's it. That's how it should always be.
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          Old May 28th, 2013 (4:53 PM). Edited May 28th, 2013 by Dark Azelf.
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            Well the problem is the fact we are being kicked and muted even when we dont drop them all the time. The rules are arbitrary and terrible. You are failing to see the fact and if i didnt make this obvious and clear before, so ill bold it so you get the point, THE RULES ABOUT THIS ARE HORRIBLE AND NOT A SINGLE MEMBER WHO IS A REGULAR WANTS THEM IN EFFECT. People who dont come on the server regularly really shouldnt have a say tbqh. Sorry if that sounded rude, but we dont want them i cant make it any more clear. Just ask people.

            If you are gonna cry and drop your bottle and pacifier (well i mean, the rules hint at this as we are assumed to be tweens) when someone mentions the birds or bee's dont click the following spoiler.

            Spoiler:


            I got muted and warned for making a joke about sex toys

            Nica then posted this;

            [01:30] ~skylight: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071226131211AAvgdwP

            So as you can see, its really arbitrary.


            13 year olds are exposed to this on a daily basis and from the above link are clearly "active" in that way. In addition most of us are over the age of 13. Seriously what the hell is this, kindergarden ?

            No one agrees with the rules on the server, do i really have to requote myself or nica from earlier posts in this thread ? Everyone thinks the rule are retarded. We dont want an IRC v.2.0. Also when you have your own mods and drivers on the server thinking they are terrible;

            [01:30] @Liam Payne: New rules suck
            [01:30] @Liam Payne: For serious

            (just some more evidence)

            You know you are really doing something wrong lol.

            Its not harming activity in the slightest. So uhh WHY ARE THEY in effect ? Luke never cared, so once again, why are they in effect now ? Also its really contradictory as wolf said "we arent really associated with pc now and are a separate entity", why go back on this now ?


            EDIt:
            I could understand if it was 247 but its not. it just seems enforced because of some random. Ive not spoken to a single person who likes them, im being deadly serious.

            [02:12] +Zαyn Mαlik: I don't get why now all of a sudden we're trying to eradicate part of what makes this community what it is.
            [02:12] +Zαyn Mαlik: It wasn't a problem for 6 years at least
            [02:12] +Zαyn Mαlik: why is it a problem now

            ^also
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            We're a part of PC. As such, we follow their rules. Simple as that. The only options we have are: split up from PC and run solo, or convince the higher staff to allow mature content on PC. I explained that I don't want to do the former, and the latter option isn't likely going to be successful. In the end, all this would accomplish is changing the rules so we can crack a few more sex jokes. Is it really worth it? I don't think so.

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            Also its really contradictory as wolf said "we arent really associated with pc now and are a separate entity", why go back on this now ?
            When did I ever say this? I have said in the past that the battle server and BC are separate entities with their own different communities, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.
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            People need to stop name dropping me so I don't have to get in these debates. Also I'm too tired to make anything relatively coherent so you're getting bullet points:
            • Yes, I think the new rule is dumb. I think the fact that people chose to go to HStaff instead of just reading the server rules that clearly stated you could PM us to change the subject is dumb. But that's in the past, so I'm over it.
            • Yes, we have to follow PC's rules. No, I don't personally love it. We haven't really for 5 or 6 years, so the sudden change is just weird I guess since we've always been affiliated (minus the linking in the header).
            • No, we shouldn't break off. That'd be really really dumb.
            • Wolf's suggestion for a seperate channel: 10/10 would vote for again. Seriously, everyone gets what they want, and it's enter at your own risk. If you don't like the content there...don't go there. Pretty simple.
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            I just made "Mature Room" for those type of chats, which is PG 13+, so anything flies, but beware what you're getting into when joining it as we will not be heavy on you guys in terms of sexual content, just make sure you follow every other rule while there though.

            To get there, type exactly as is below:
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            But if Wolf would rather make a separate one that's fine too, but this one will do for now!

            However keep in mind not to post porn, or anything else that would break our otherwise global rules, such as spamming, or disrespecting someone.
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            Looks like Mature Room is not the only room in this server.
            A special room called Lyrics is also there (also made by Nica aka Forever!)

            You could type this if you want to join it!
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            I have said in the past that the battle server and BC are separate entities with their own different communities, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.
            Of course it's relevant. A strict ban on mature content (however immaturely it may be expressed) is inconsistent with the policy the battling community has always had. I feel like D_A and myself, by far the longest tenured S&Mers here, find the ban especially ridiculous. Maybe that's not a coincidence? S&M always had the freedom to shrug off PC's onerous "heaven forbid some ten-year-old who is a few clicks away from much worse content and who probably hears swearing every day at school be exposed to it on the freaking internet" burden. It seems to me like the idea behind disassociation is that the server's association with PC is a burden if that is no longer the case, which suggests that the server has always had its own identity and imposing the values of the rest of the forum ultimately lacks legitimacy with the remnants of the battling community. (Disassociation is a horrible idea though, uhhhh we're all from PC aren't we? And just like the username thing this issue is quite trivial and pointless. I totally get the principle behind it though.)

            If the hint isn't explicit enough, what I'm getting that is that maybe it's a bad idea entirely that people who build teams, ladder, and, uh, care about Pokemon share the same server as people who seem to primarily care about changing their usernames and their respective colors? I know, I know: PC doesn't really have a battling community anymore. Maybe these circumstances have something to do with it? Just because I don't want to be blowing hot air here, my "evidence" for what I'm saying is just my own experience. When I started battling again, I naturally popped back up, albeit rather infrequently, to PC and its server, but the only person who seemed willing to actually have a battle was (I'm sure this is a coincidence too!!!!) my former S&M mod partner D_A! I have basically stopped playing since not only do I have no friends to play with but there is NO prospect of that improving. I think it's a joke and a travesty that someone actively looking to battle (and the former server and forum mod, no less) literally has to go elsewhere to find even a low level battle. If Showdown is becoming the new IRC or whatever then fine, but can S&M at least have a place where its own community can gather again, reestablish its existence, and govern itself? If they're two different communities as you said, shouldn't they not have to convene in the same place? If the official response to a post like this is "what do you expect?" then maybe we have a disconnect.
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            I agree with you, Anti, but I don't think there's anything viable that can be done in regards to allowing mature content in the main lobby. This is the PC Battle Server, and while it may not be directly connected with the forum, it is still associated with PC and its staff. The battle server may have gotten away with allowing mature content in the past, but higher staff eventually found out and are now taking action. I could convince the higher staff to allow vulgar, overly sexual content (to little or no success), but nothing of much value will come out of it. I like being sexually explicit from time to time as much you guys, but I don't think it's worth going through the trouble of allowing it, especially when we have a perfectly fine channel for everyone to go crazy in. There are regulars who don't like discussing or mentioning mature content, and there are those that do. We can't please everyone.

            As for the issue with using one chat for both non-battlers and battlers, perhaps we could try making a separate channel with a focus on battling and whatnot. It's essentially the same as using different servers, but we don't have go through the trouble of having to host two servers at once. While I have been more concerned with utilizing the forum instead of a server as a way for establishing an active battle community, I don't see the harm in trying out the channel. However, just like a separate server, it will require some dedication from some members to make it work. Otherwise, it would still be difficult finding a battle.
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            I appreciate that you're taking my concern into account but I must object to the idea that the channel is going to solve the problem I'm pinpointing. No auto-join sucks too, though it's not a big deal.

            I think that really there is importance in symbolism in a forum having its own physically separate space. We're just not the same community. Is having a separate server really too much to ask? Maybe it is for practical tech reasons--if someone could speak to that, that would be wonderful--but I feel like having a server to call our own actually matters. I just can't get past the fact that the so-called Battle Server would need a channel for the sake of...battling. Shouldn't the Battle Server be for battling? The battling community? I feel like that's just kinda weird. Not saying that the current server shouldn't exist or something but my my the Battle Server is quite the misnomer. Our gathering space is just some minor part of something else in the case of a channel. Something just feels off about that.

            On a more practical note (and the one of real magnitude), the staff would still be the same in a channel. How many of the current staff members are even half as qualified to operate an actual battling server as D_A and I are? How many of them have played an actual competitive battle in the past month? (RANDBATS DOES NOT COUNT.) I also suspect that rules and especially their enforcement would be way different (read: more lax [+def, -sdef]) which is pretty awkward. And the culture of the server? I don't think I even need to say what would be different, lol.

            I mean, if a channel is the best we can do, fine. I'm not going to turn down what is admittedly an improvement (as if I have the sole authority to). But I think it's a little naive to think that having a separate channel serves to differentiate the way I'm talking about. Unless there is indeed a practical barrier I see no reason not to just separate them.

            ...And while I haven't talked to D_A or anyone else about it, yes, I'd be willing to do the little moderation required if you wouldn't want to juggle two servers. And I realize that the battle server would run into an old S&M problem--inactivity--quite quickly, but I'm willing to build it up over time...by myself, if I have to. I die inside every time I come on the current server and seeing its role in the old S&M community's complete evisceration. I am willing to do quite a lot to reverse that. Because right now I feel like I wasted years trying to improve the battling community seeing as it does not have somewhere where it can effectively exist. On that note...

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            I have been more concerned with utilizing the forum instead of a server as a way for establishing an active battle community
            Okay, but it's not 2007 anymore: the battling community needs a place for battling and communal bonding. And as much as I loved 2007, PC got infinitely better when it was supplemented by a Shoddy server. So yeah, I'm all for utilizing the forum (as you know haha), but a server still has to exist.
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            Old May 29th, 2013 (3:32 PM). Edited May 29th, 2013 by Dark Azelf.
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              Just saying i post to agree with anti. Id be willing to help out also.

              Also i dislike having to go to another channel/other server.

              Maybe im missing something, but why cant the pre teens, tweens etc go to another channel instead of the people who actually battle (see: myself etc) ? The main channel should be for battling and regulars (with which of whom i still havent met one person who wants this rule implemented). If you wanna do some competitive color comparing or professional whining about how oblivious to the far worse content on the internet, like anti said "which is just a few clicks away" or "at your school heard every day in the playground" and how sensitive you are then go to that channel ? Explicit chat doesnt even happen much really lol.

              As for the other server, like i said, none of our regulars like the rule. I am under the impression the people who whined to h staff werent even regulars and didnt/dont even battle (please by all means if you are a reg and disagree, post, because currently there is no evidence for this). Sorry, but why should they matter on a battling server ? You already have another server where you can be PG all you like, its called IRC. Use it. I just dont see why we have to pander and cater to some randoms and people who dont battle and come on all of two times anyway, we have the server to be laid back on and that is it.

              I know the concern is about harming activity, but this rule is actually harming it and not the oh so explicit chat (which doesnt even happen often, color whining happens more lol). Old school people wont stick around. Infact a few have openly said they will leave if "this stupid rule is gonna stay".

              My last point (not naming names) but someone who naively and obnoxiously said, "Does it matter if a few oldies leave if we get double the amount of new people to replace you?". Judging the way the battling community is at the present, i believe you NEED all the help you can get from vets to actually you know, integrate new people into the battling community. Without us (it may be a little selfish and un modest of me) but it will be like the blind leading the blind because no one battles competitively as it is bar certain vets. (Random battles dont count sorry).

              Just my thoughts on the matter.


              EDIT: Higher staff have always known about how we are so its silly to say this. PPN, BGT, Luke etc have all been and gone on our various servers and have NEVER cared and you know have actually done something for the community battling wise.
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                Honestly, due to this new rule, I'll probably be on the server now. :) It is fun and I already played a random battle and won (surprisingly).
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                  Okay, I'm a... somewhat regular so I think I can chip in here with the points of view of both the server regulars and the higher staff in mind.

                  I totally get what you're unhappy about, honestly. Of course it sucks pretty big-time when you've built up a community with its own general way of doing things and culture and a load of people come in all "NO THIS IS TERRIBLE CHANGE EVERYTHING AT ONCE". I'll agree fully that it's a real slap in the face for everything you've gone by for the past however many months it may be and it's obvious to me that some toes have been stepped on here. It's a rule I almost wish wasn't in place since I like a dirty joke or whatever as much as the next person.

                  However, as much as you guys don't like the rule (and as much as I hate coming across as a total tight-arse and a killjoy), as the server becomes a more integral part of PC it follows that the server's rules will need to come more in line with those on PC. Higher staff have recently become more aware of the fact that the server is indeed moving into a closer relationship with PC - exemplified by things like integrated links into newer styles and forum-wide admin-set announcements regarding BC's community days. Undoubtedly, in upcoming Get-Togethers, the server is going to have its own events going on and I personally think it's awesome that the server is having this involvement with PC. For me, something that helps promote activity anywhere is no bad thing. However, with more people from around the forum and whatnot coming in, as I say, we have to be more in-line with PC rules. And that means that discussion of things which wouldn't fly on PC, doesn't fly on the server.

                  Now - if people are getting muted/kicked for things as simple as mentioning relationships or sex or whatever, then that's something I'm not okay with and I feel is way too tight. Like, that shouldn't be happening imo at all. If we can allow threads like this, as a recent example, on the public forums then we can allow it on the server so if someone could provide me of examples where kicks or mutes have gone on for that kind of (honestly, rather mild) thing then I can look more into that and see if it can be changed because I feel it's excessive. However, I've also seen some stuff on the server which wouldn't be okay; stuff like incest, rape, deviance, things like that. That'd not be alright on here and in my eyes it's not alright on the server.

                  It does sound like people may have gone a wee bit overboard with enforcing these new rules and hopefully in time that'll even out but otherwise, yeah, we need the rule if we're opening up so much to the entirety of PokéCommunity. As this place becomes more public, more members who are not part of the general server culture which has been established will be joining. And those members will see stuff like this almost certainly very differently to how you guys might be seeing it.

                  I guess I wanted to post all that just to say that, while I understand the frustration here, it's a rule which'll be needed as PC becomes more entwined with the server (the alternative, which I don't think would be a great idea, being that the server dissociates from PC to keep its less PC-esque atmosphere) and I feel it's something which can be worked with. But it needs fine-tuning to ensure that it isn't over-enforced.
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