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Started by Who's Kiyo? January 22nd, 2017 1:09 PM
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Posted October 29th, 2018
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Ew what is this abomination


Ech tore it up tonight, honestly. I'm loving this insight, homie. You say you're not cognitively adept but by God are you bright and I love reading what you think. (And I'm also not the only person venting in this thread!)
was i truly venting, or was that just me throwing massive shade at someone who just refuses to join OTM

inb4 i turn out to be plastic and hypocrite my own words like literally everyone on Earth


also was Nostalgia Critic really inspired by AVGN, was it vise versa, or were they already at the same time
Every youtuber ripped off of Fox.


Spoiler:

- Name -- Holly

- Gender -- Female

Relaxation video game music playlist

- Appearance --


If you’re curious, she has a fat, stubby tail. She wears a neat little bow in Finer Things’s stripes of green, black, and white. Usually it’s around one of her ears, sometimes it’s around her tail.


- Moveset -- (( *Aggressively flowersmells at you* ))


- Background --
Holly's parents, Mr. and Mrs. Harlow, were farmers, so naturally Holly had to do a lot of farmwork to help out as a little seedling Bulbasaur. Though she was pressured to follow their family and become a farmer herself, Holly decided she hated that, and moved into a small Pokémon town instead.

It was hard living on her own, but she was glad to be out of the country and way from farmwork. She became self-employed as an aromatherapist, but also works as a town beautifier on the side. She tends to the local flora all around town, and protects it from harm. Holly runs a tiny aromatherapy wellness spa out of her own home.

However, she has a great deal of trouble getting enough customers in order to make a living. Mostly because it’s difficult to advertise when you’re just starting out. So, she decided to work part-time in a second job as well. A bistro, working as a server! She is in fact, very new to the bistro, possibly the most recent hire. Holly would do best in the conservatory among her fellow scented plants, and would do fine in the foyer too. She would surely do awful in the dirty smelly rooms.



- Aromatherapy -- As an aromatherapist, Holly has found a use for her natural abilities that makes her the happiest in life: helping others feel pleasant through the relaxation of pleasant scents.

First and foremost, Holly will settle her patient into a relaxed position, in a comfy bed or a peaceful garden or a warm bathtub.
Then, she has a variety of methods to administer her aromatherapy.

The first is probably the most obvious: the flower on her back releases a pleasant scent, filling the room for the patient to inhale. Holly's developed remarkable control over her scents, able to release different scents for different purposes on command. Through a biological process indescribable to anyone who doesn't have a flower as part of their body, Holly chooses the scent she wants and begins releasing it into the air.

The second is the use of her vines, long and slender green tendrils that snake out from beneath her leaves. Their high degree of prehensile movement makes them good for a light massage, and from the tips of each vine, Holly can release different plant oils, such as chamomile oil, rose oil, and lavender oil.

Holly claims she has a scent or an oil for almost anything that troubles you. Stress, anxiety, depression, fatigue, hyperactivity, allergies, stomachache, fever, congestion, body aches, dry skin, low libido...

If any customers of Finer Things are interested in Holly’s aromatherapy spa, she plucks a single petal and gives it to them, telling them that it serves as a secret coupon for a free first session, if they come by~

In any case, while she probably won’t be giving massages in Finer Things (for obvious reasons), she’s still a walking talking source of calming, alleviating aromas. She’s a rather nice member of the wait staff to interact based on this alone. Hopefully her personality only adds to it!



- Personality -- Holly enjoys all things sensuous. Under strict definition, this would probably make her a hedonist, but of course she'd rather not use that label, even if it's sort of true.

Not only does she enjoy all things sensuous on her own accord, she enjoys giving sensuous things to others too, which is how she found herself in the profession she's in today. Well, that and being inclined toward it thanks to her floral-based species.

She speaks with a rumbly, deep, yet subtly feminine voice that many of her kind have, rarely raising her voice. Though her methods come across as soothing, comforting, concerning herself with everyone's well-being, there's also an element of underlying...command. Holly enjoys taking control, and between her more persuasive scents and her vines, she has ample means to do so.

She's prone to wide smiles, the kind that creep from cheek to cheek on her broad face.



- Prompt --
•- Dr. Katz, a fragile aging Whismur toting large thick glasses and a graying soupcatcher mustache, is giving your character a psyche evaluation so that they may earn their license to work in the city. He doesn't do much but ask tedious, prying questions and mocks astonishment whenever you reveal anything deep. Play out your character's conversation with him in his typical therapist's office. (You may bunny Dr. Katz and his questions, but remember, I need to see more about your character and their thoughts/reactions than the doctor's!)

“Alright, Holly. Let’s move on to something else. Tell me what you see here.”

The elderly Whismur therapist takes hold of a stack of cards, and holds them to display the frontmost card toward Holly. It’s a symmetrical inkblot.



The Ivysaur shifts in her seat, or rather, her lounge. This is the first time she’s been on one of these psychiatrist couches. She could really get used to lying on something like this! For the time being, she shifts onto lying on her side so she can have a look at the inkblot.

“Oh! That looks like a water lily tulip.”

“Oh?” Dr. Katz has a peek at the card, himself, from his own perspective.

“Yeah, from the side. They’re actually called Kaumanniana Tulips, but from the side they look more like a water lily than a tulip. So they got nicknamed!”

“Hm, I see. I suppose I should expect you to be knowledgeable about such things. How about this one?” He flips the card to the back of the scak, revealing a new inkblot.

“Mm, that looks like a geranium, I think.”

“How about this?”

“Ahhh… Oh, a cymbidium orchid!”

“And this...?”

“Ooh, that’s a snapdragon!” Holly exclaims, smiling and leaning forward, getting into this little game.

Dr. Katz exhales, exasperated. The cards are lowered to better reveal his face. “Miss Holly, before I continue, are you going to name a type of flower for every image here?”

“...Were they not supposed to be?”

“...Holly, tell me about your childhood.”

Holly lies back on the couch, squishing her flower petals below her back (they'll bounce back, don’t worry!) and exposing her belly to the ceiling.

((Talks about farming family, hating that, moving out on her own, developing
aromatherapy talents and doing research, getting her own place and renovating it.
Doc asks her to demonstrate aroma ability.
Asks her what her fears are.))

holly gives me an impression that she is secretly a sadistic serial killer who leaves flowers on her victims.

i am joking, please don't kill me and a place flower on my corpse


What was that work, is it the aria you mentioned?

The Milotic tights were just directly ripped based off of a picture made from another artist, who is also on PC, that I happen to be a fan of. I unfonrtunately can't share the work here, cuz I don't have permission and she can blackmail me if I do.

Anyways, SHOUT OUT TO SWEET DREAMS, WHO IS A SUPERIOR ARTIST TO ME IN EVERY WAY EVEN IF SHE WON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH. she won't read this thread so I can express my adulation as much as I want without having to face any severe consequences


I hate the inverse of this too, like the fact Orx thinks he shouldn't apply since he has some weird sense of "seniority." What nonsense. I want a batch to choose from, not people to back down because they see others gunning for spots. Encourage c o m p e t i t i o n.

do u hear that, orx.

at least drop in to give kiyo more green berets


eh I think I'm against having one. I feel like the OOC Thread needs a reason to exist

But a private chatroom is the safest place for me to share hot smut of Fem Lombardi without getting banned.


this post is so long but i spared nothing less for my 3,000th post

pfft, look at you, being so proud of hitting your milestone. i bet most of your posts were just non-sequiturs about pineapples, bashing a demographic braindead people could make fun of or just trying to emulate Fox's cringe, you dirty little troll. in a few more posts, i'll finally hit 200 posts and I ASSURE you that all of those posts were made to be constructive and insightful, completely devoid of any depraved content you may try to shame me with. I am an honest, hard-working person who doesn't cheese their way through life.

(also fun fact: i only posted in the RPT and only 5 posts were made in IC. I clearly am the best RPer ever.)
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Afterglow Ampharos

Ampharos are the ultimate kid's bed. They have a built in nightlight and everything.

Age 30
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trapped in Toby Fox's web of influence
Seen December 18th, 2018
Posted October 24th, 2018
672 posts
3.4 Years
and a furry
They're Pokemon dude, they all fall under that umbrella to some degree.
Yes I'm calling us all furries. The truth comes out

I hate the inverse of this too, like the fact Orx thinks he shouldn't apply since he has some weird sense of "seniority." What nonsense. I want a batch to choose from, not people to back down because they see others gunning for spots.
Yes. True.
Encourage c o m p e t i t i o n.
No. A thousand times no. If it's a competition against others, a fight of who's-the-best to get into the game to begin with, not only do seniority and familiar faces get chosen over new faces every. time, it also makes me more anxious and pessimistic about my chances.

Between Oddball_, "A Confused Oddy's Boyfriend" on Discord, and you, I'm starting to short-circuit.
How do I change names? That's not even a joke, I'm seriously regretting this alias for multiple reasons, one of them being this Oddball with an underscore that has way more brand recognition than me.

Your questions and enthusiasm have really propelled me during the course of this RP's development. It's such a pleasure to have you here, especially since you're a newcomer to this "world," as it were!

Also, you're so funny.

Thank you!

eh I think I'm against having one. I feel like the OOC Thread needs a reason to exist, because while I'm open to being contacted on Discord privately (and will put up my info in the next OP update), I want one cohesive place for questions, memes, and discussion on the forum; where outside people can feel encouraged to jump in and participate.
Ok by me, boss. 👍

She sounds so precious! Though I'm a bit confused as why she's into aromatherapy if she's against the simple farm life. Idk, maybe I'm just a city-slicker and equate gardening too much with agriculture.
Yeah, gardening and agriculture are sorta close, but aromatherapy is not associated with gardening, so the premise is incorrect.

I find this [Aromatherapy section] utterly fascinating, especially since it wasn't a required section. I can visualize her using therapist instincts and trying out her techniques in the pursuit of missions, and she gives people petal-coupons, oooo that was such a nice touch, I can imagine people giving her warm smiles as she tries to promote her small business and Carmine being like "what the psyduck are you doing?"
Haha, I know right? My only concern is that it could turn her into a bit of a one-trick pony when it comes to interacting with guests, which is the main reason Cadbury got all the way finished and Holly did not.

It's kinda funny imaging a Bulbasaur laying on her back
Ivysaur. Gawd Kiyo did you even read my profile </3

[*]>if you're curious about her tail, i'm not a furry like you
I got most of my favourite fanart from the era before we knew what Ivysaur's butt looked like (the sprites didn't show it), and many imagined a tail there. We now know the tail is non-canon but god damn is it cute so I'm using it.
[*]I always liked it when lil' Grass Pokemon were described as "seedlings", is cute
Me: "Wait, did I write that?" *Scrolls up*
[*]Ayy, those masseuse capabilities. +1 for incorporating her natural attributes into her interests and career choice. (Would she actually put customers in her own bed though or would she have a special place to set them)
She renovated a room in her house to be an aromatherapy massage room. Just until she can get her own proper workplace. Right now it's got more of a small homey vibe so that's fine, but it's less than professional. She's having trouble getting a customer base since she's kinda new to the city.

[*]Right, where I see where the "Poison" fits into all of this. She's filthy. I saw that tilde near the end of the "Aromatherapy" section. She likes command. Jesus, someone hold me, these sinful words. I like this, though. You don't usually see the connection made between Ivysaur and sensuousness and... "persuasive scents", or even femininity in-general. I appreciate the uniquity here and I would've loved to see her in action. [*]The detail about her "wide smiles" complimenting her broad face is also a nice touch.
I'm glad you two peoples like her so much! Should I take this as encouragement to fill her out all the way into an SU, or is James Cadbury better suited? Keeping in mind I gotta have a character deep and diverse enough to fill a whole RP, and I'm not sure which one fills that.

Orx
Orx
GDI NO good lord I already told you what I wanna be called and you just





Huge fan of Pokémon-only roleplay!

Junier

Fake Friends Forever (´・ω・`)

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ech is the forum member we should all aspire to be

that screenshot was GOOD ART by the w-- actually, I recall Jauntier made it. Therefore, it's muk art because Jauntier is mukty and gay.

also, i saw you using my ILLEGIBLE font, you cheeky cloyster. keep it up and i'll start using SLACKEY IN ALL CAPS WITH NOT A SINGLE PINCH OF REGRET OR IRONY JUST TO SEE THE SORRY VM MESSAGES BEGGING FOR MERCY

speaking of "no one is going to read this thread", time to indulge in some simple-minded mukposting: SHOUT OUT TO SIMPLE FLIPS. SWEET DREAMS ARE MADE OF THIIIS

Okay, now we can have a rightful decision. The setup of "Off the Menu" opens the potentiality for a greatly diverse cast, considering the massive amount of official Pokemon, each with its own bit of lore comprising it, so I'd be interested to hear, similar to OO's (and I guess Ech's) predicament, what characters other people would have potentially liked to play or are possibly vying to choose between.

wait Oddy posted
Yes I'm calling us all furries
I'm sorry, are you imposing your beliefs on me?

and you could find plenty of "knowledge" on Ivysaur's backside if you looked in the right places
Yes. True.No. A thousand times no. If it's a competition against others, a fight of who's-the-best to get into the game to begin with, not only do seniority and familiar faces get chosen over new faces every. time, it also makes me more anxious and pessimistic about my chances.
To be fair, if a game master had any decency, he/she would be able to look past acting out of nepotism and base his/her decisions off of the solidity of the cast. I suppose, based on your claim, then, we have a sincere lack of decent game masters on Pokecommunity, though that can always change! I'd say "Kiyo wouldn't do that" but he can speak for himself.

I'll also argue that the contrasting method of accepting sign-ups—acting on a "first-come-first-serve" basis—is even worse as it relies entirely on serendipity. Whoever's on at the time gets in, essentially, "if his/her app is good"; that would be the immediate counter, presumably, but also consider that an acceptable app doesn't necessarily need to take days to create. You can get a character idea that technically fulfills the criteria of the roleplay but, in other regards, is mediocre. It doesn't stand out and it doesn't hint at anything interesting coming out of said character in the approaching future, which is what an exceptional character app should do. It should be intriguing!

I think the best way to run a roleplay is to set a clear and fair deadline and sort through the provided sign-ups once said deadline is reached and help out applicants along the way if they have the proaction to ask; as a GM, you know what you're getting and you also give people an equal chance.

But regarding your characters, I honestly like both of them, and the only reason I wouldn't even consider Holly for a second is because Cadbury's name is Cadbury and that is too fantastic of a happenstance for me to overlook, so I'd stick with the Linoone! I'd cast that line out again about merging character elements but, now that I have a better grasp of who your apothecary aromatherapist is, I think a lot of things about her are oriented around her species; her occupation and hobbies, the fact that she might be a bit hedonistic? I do really like that about her, though.

tl;dr "it's your decision in the end" cliche, i'm 6 years old and can't make consistent decisions

QOTD: WHAT SHOULD ORDINARYODDBALL CHANGE HIS FORUM USERNAME TOO?

Afterglow Ampharos

Ampharos are the ultimate kid's bed. They have a built in nightlight and everything.

Age 30
Male
trapped in Toby Fox's web of influence
Seen December 18th, 2018
Posted October 24th, 2018
672 posts
3.4 Years
I'm sorry, are you imposing your beliefs on me?
No I'm imposing them on all our charact--
Wait, you're an ice cream cone.
You're in the clear.

the contrasting method of accepting sign-ups—acting on a "first-come-first-serve" basis
I wasn't trying to argue in favour of this, I'm sorry if it came off that way.

To be fair, if a game master had any decency, he/she would be able to look past acting out of nepotism and base his/her decisions off of the solidity of the cast.
In a perfect world, yes, but characters built by people already familiar to us seem like more solid characters. It's a human psyche thing. You can read about it under "In-group favouritism/bias." And I have never, ever seen a GM on any Pokémon roleplaying forum (mind you I haven't been here that long but I've been on a couple others) turn down an application from a friend of theirs, and I rarely see them turn down players who have been in previous games of theirs.

And this rejection is a real, tangible thing that affects the players going forward. The friend of mine who introduced me to Pokemon Tabletop United, he doesn't even want to apply for games anymore if there's a limited number of signup spots, because the repeated rejection is bloody painful. He's been burned too many times.

Anyway, this is a moot point unless we get three or more applicants.

Also, if we only get one or zero more applicants, I'm totally applying with both James and Holly. If we've got the empty space, [insert why not both meme here]
I'm mad with power creativity

Hm, if we don't count the name coincidence, then I'm putting Disclosed down for a neutral on that James-or-Holly-better-suited vote. Anyone else?

QOTD: WHAT SHOULD ORDINARYODDBALL CHANGE HIS FORUM USERNAME TO?
The name I have on Discord. The dissonance between them is the second of the reasons I want to change.

Huge fan of Pokémon-only roleplay!

Who's Kiyo?

puking rainbows

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Olivine City
Seen October 17th, 2019
Posted September 6th, 2018
3,221 posts
8.5 Years

I imagine a baton resting in your palm like a deranged Southern cop
a private chatroom to share hot smut of Fem Lombardi
I'm calling us all furries
you could find plenty of "knowledge" on Ivysaur's backside if you looked in the right places

i dont want to have to kinkshame this whole thread

I like the inclusion of the bow not as a bowtie!
Any type of bow or thing that gets across the message of "staff" is acceptable, so I like that someone tried branching out, too!

lil' Grass Pokemon were described as "seedlings"
*Promotes* I also am a huge fan of writing that incorporates that pokemon are an array of different species, and so they wouldn't necessarily follow human colloquialisms.

Perhaps to distract her from her dark secret

"ive seen some muk"

I'll respect your decision
I appreciate the majority of your honest self, I just want this to be tight, make it easy to run and expand on.

BUT CADDY DESPISES ROCK 'N' ROLL
MAYBE THAT'S HIS SECRET SHUSHHHHH

Ew what is this abomination
Don't worry, it's dead now.

throwing massive shade at someone who just refuses to join OTM



omigosh sorry guys, my computer just spazzed out and uploaded these photos to my post!!

Every youtuber ripped off of Fox
Thanks for watching my Minecraft Let's Play.

SWEET DREAMS, A SUPERIOR ARTIST TO ME IN EVERY WAY
Imitation is the highest form of flattery, but cumming all over a thread you know the love of your life won't see is desperate.

A thousand times no
That was how the sign-ups were always going to work ... ? Unless you can propose another model, since I dislike first-come-first-serve, all I can say is that I'm not a nepotist. I've put a muk-ton of work into this and making everything flow and swapping out ideas for others, so I want quality as much as anybody else, regardless of who's playing whom.

How do I change names?
There's a thread for it: (here)

gardening and agriculture are sorta close, but the premise is incorrect
well shuck me like an ear of corn i stand corrected

could turn her into a bit of a one-trick pony
I can see that, if it were a canon SU that would be one of the things I'd be looking to eliminate: the fact she sounds a little one-dimensional. I would've grilled her with more questions than Cadbury.

Gawd Kiyo did you even read my profile </3
baby come back it was a slip up D:

Should I take this as encouragement to fill her out
eh While she was an enjoyable read, and I wish heard more about Cadbury's quirks like you described Holly's, I have a feeling Cadbury is more fleshed out and has more mileage to him.

I already told you what I wanna be called
> Orx as in Orx of Twinleaf, a separate member from you, who has posted here
> Gawd Ordy did you even read my thread </3

it's muk art because Jauntier is mukty and gay

set a clear and fair deadline, help out applicants along the way
+1 to all this tasty good stuff yum The reason I wanted people to come and workshop their SUs early was so they could feel confident and get all that stuff out of the way so they wouldn't have to rush later, because once the OOC was out and the deadline established, that was it, gurl. Anything that wasn't submitted at least as a WIP would be discarded.

WHAT SHOULD ORDINARYODDBALL CHANGE HIS FORUM USERNAME TOO?
Ordinary Orchard, so either way, he's Ordy. Or Orchy.

you're an ice cream cone. You're in the clear

I beg to differ!

i searched up "sexy ice cream" for this joke you better appreciate it

You can read about it under "In-group favouritism/bias."
This sounds like a lot of projected fear, so I'd stop worrying about it. especially since i have no friends that i havent stabbed to death

hugh holland in "cracks: a sinnoh story"
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Afterglow Ampharos

Ampharos are the ultimate kid's bed. They have a built in nightlight and everything.

Age 30
Male
trapped in Toby Fox's web of influence
Seen December 18th, 2018
Posted October 24th, 2018
672 posts
3.4 Years
That was how the sign-ups were always going to work ... ? Unless you can propose another model, since I dislike first-come-first-serve, all I can say is that I'm not a nepotist. I've put a muk-ton of work into this and making everything flow and swapping out ideas for others, so I want quality as much as anybody else, regardless of who's playing whom.
Picking the best suited applications is common sense, yes, but there's nuance difference between that model, and the model of actively encouraging your applicants to compete with each other before the roleplay's started (e.g. when you said:
Encourage c o m p e t i t i o n.
). To compete for the right to participate in the roleplay. That's just... not the right way to frame it in my opinion.

I'm making my character as fleshed out as I can, not because I want to beat out the other applicants, but because I want to be maximally equipped for this roleplay setting.

I understand that from a mechanics point of view (if you get over five applicants), the two models aren't different, but as a framing device, encouraging competition makes things uglier than need be. I don't want to be at loggerheads with people OOC.

There's a thread for it: (here)
Thanks. I'll see if the alias I go by on Discord and other stuff is acceptable.
It's a punny name so Disclosed should like it at least

I can see that, if it were a canon SU that would be one of the things I'd be looking to eliminate: the fact she sounds a little one-dimensional. I would've grilled her with more questions than Cadbury.
Feel free to grill her if you like, as improving her dimensions would be good for me, but I understand that's lower priority than your other GM responsibilities, given I already have an acceptable SU up.

baby come back it was a slip up D:
I'll always come back to you, Kiyo.

eh While she was an enjoyable read, and I wish heard more about Cadbury's quirks like you described Holly's, I have a feeling Cadbury is more fleshed out and has more mileage to him.
Oh, this is a good point then. Let's delve into this: Cadbury's quirks. What were you hoping to see? There's still time to add to my profile.

> Orx as in Orx of Twinleaf, a separate member from you, who has posted here
> Gawd Ordy did you even read my thread </3
Oh? I got confused about it when I saw Disclosed use the word Oddball to describe Orx:
CALLING OUT ORX
Why does everyone here think they're an "oddball", when everyone's the quirkster no one is
And yes, I did miss the message from Orx, sorry, it was a while ago.

This sounds like a lot of projected fear, so I'd stop worrying about it.
Sigh. I'm sorry it sounds that way to you.

Huge fan of Pokémon-only roleplay!

Junier

Fake Friends Forever (´・ω・`)

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Posted August 3rd, 2018
984 posts
4.5 Years
I wasn't trying to argue in favour of this, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
[s]did Kiyo say anything smart in response to you/s]

When I referred to the "first-come-first-serve" method as being "contrasting", I intended to implicate that it was the only other possible option, or at least the only one that I could possibly envision as someone looking to take up game-mastering again.

But I agree: when you know people, you trust that what they make is better than what a non-acquaintance makes. What's the solution to this though, in your mind? I feel, based on your replies to Kiyo and I, you're not thinking about how to solve the issue at hand. I think we first need to identify what the real issue is; as I see it, it's all dependent on what a person hopes to attain from creating an application in the end. If your short-term goal is getting in "Pokepark 3: Siege on Wish Park" and presumably having fun for however long that RP lasts, then, in my opinion, in any situation, you're psyducked. You're either at the mercy of the inevitably-biased game master or relying on sheer serendipity; when there's no deadline, you have to be keen in making your reservation or getting your work-in-progress up in the hopes of intimidating other potential players as soon as that RP goes up, else the competition will take your place! The truth is, when sign-ups and especially player limits are in play, roleplaying is inherently competitive and it always will be. If you aren't just doing it with your friends who are guaranteed to give you a nepotistic boost and limit your scope to one game that you really, really want to make your character idea come to life in, the stress will ineluctably weigh you down.

This is why I personally see roleplaying as collaborative writing, similarly to how Ech describes it. Roleplaying essentially gives me an excuse to write often and dedicate myself to a project in the midst of struggling to write on my own. I want roleplaying to evolve into something that prioritizes growth above a brief feeling of accomplishment. Then, the issue isn't "getting in", it's "getting a chance" to prove what you can, and if the application you wrote is rejected, the best part about PC is that most game masters at least explain why. That "why" is incredibly important to personal development! It's why I want game masters to be thorough with every app, good, mediocre, or bad, because everyone deserves some form of constructive criticism if he or she is ever going to excel!

Of course, sometimes the criticism is unwarranted, but I feel the chance of GMs pulling problems out of their asses to cover for refusing you in-place of their friends is severely lessened if deadlines are imposed and the feeling that every sign-up should be addressed critically becomes a more prevailing attitude. It's really what I want to communicate here on Pokecommunity now: how to be a great game master, someone who maintains investment and encourages advancement over having short-minded fun. My perspective at-current is based on an elaborate hypothesis, really; I'm looking to find the primary evidence to support it.

But I feel roleplaying, without seeing it as a writing exercise, becomes highly dependent on established relationships, at least if you want the story to last for a decent length of time. In other words, you're better off with your friends/coincidentally have a friend-like chemistry with whoever you're playing with. (The latter is when elitism starts creeping in, when sites become suspicious of others who think differently, when it really shouldn't matter when the priority is playing the game.)

ALSO, KIYO YOU MUST HAVE BEEN PRETTY DESPERATE IF THAT WAS THE "SEXY ICE CREAM" YOU SETTLED ON

Afterglow Ampharos

Ampharos are the ultimate kid's bed. They have a built in nightlight and everything.

Age 30
Male
trapped in Toby Fox's web of influence
Seen December 18th, 2018
Posted October 24th, 2018
672 posts
3.4 Years
What's the solution to this though, in your mind? I feel, based on your replies to Kiyo and I, you're not thinking about how to solve the issue at hand.
Instead of encouraging competition between applicants, encourage the most creative writing and character building, and like you said, discussions on how to work out the characters to be more clear, more detailed.

Sure, you'll still pick the best fitting characters for your game, at the end. But you don't really need to frame this as a competition, in order to do that when the deadline arrives.

Sorry if that wasn't made clear enough in my last post. I never meant to change Kiyo's selection methods, just the atmosphere he's encouraging, and when he said he wanted to encourage competition, I wanted to jump in there.

Like, for example, if this were actually a competition, do you think Ech and Disclosed would have suggested things to make James Cadbury better? No way, they'd keep that info to themselves and concentrate on their own SUs.

Ok that's too extreme an example, you meant friendly competition. But still, I don't think this needs to be thought of as a contest so much as an activity of all of us working in tandem and together on writing up good characters.
This is why I personally see roleplaying as collaborative writing, similarly to how Ech describes it.
I agree. Collaboration and competition don't mix well, though.


P.S. I hope I'm not making anyone upset. I believe that the way you frame these things in people's minds ("we're against each other," or "we're working together") is important. But this is an opinion piece, so.

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Instead of encouraging competition between applicants, encourage the most creative writing and character building, and like you said, discussions on how to work out the characters to be more clear, more detailed.

Sure, you'll still pick the best fitting characters for your game, at the end. But you don't really need to frame this as a competition, in order to do that when the deadline arrives.

Sorry if that wasn't made clear enough in my last post. I never meant to change Kiyo's selection methods, just the atmosphere he's encouraging, and when he said he wanted to encourage competition, I wanted to jump in there.

Like, for example, if this were actually a competition, do you think Ech and Disclosed would have suggested things to make James Cadbury better? No way, they'd keep that info to themselves and concentrate on their own SUs.

Ok that's too extreme an example, you meant friendly competition. But still, I don't think this needs to be thought of as a contest so much as an activity of all of us working in tandem and together on writing up good characters.

I agree. Collaboration and competition don't mix well, though.


P.S. I hope I'm not making anyone upset. I believe that the way you frame these things in people's minds ("we're against each other," or "we're working together") is important. But this is an opinion piece, so.
Like I said, roleplaying will almost always be inherently competitive, whether it's friendly or otherwise. It's all about the method; I really can't think of another method of roleplaying that balances particularity and control with spontaneity and allowance for creativity as simply setting a deadline and seeing who takes the bait.

Encouraging collaboration can still be accomplished, especially if the RP retains an open attitude that in turn encourages a variety of players to vie for positions. It would help as well if players were looking at things long-term instead of short-term, as I mentioned: I'm in this to grow, not to win. That way, everyone will feel some variation of achievement, no matter if his or her character is accepted in the end.

Remember, you can be cooperative and competitive; you can give advice and strive to do your best simultaneously! I think what's most important, then, is making such an attitude more mainstream. The competitiveness should never reach an aggressive extent; I agree with you there. Tensity can easily be lightened by having the game master make the roleplay seem more comfortable for everyone. The best ways to keep a light and friendly mood likely include interacting with members evenly and just presenting out-of-character sections of the OP amicably. (Like no super passive rules sections that I see a lot on other sites; "THIS ISN'T YOUR NORMAL CHEAP-ASS RP, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE CREATIVE, THIS IS FOR 'LITERATE' WRITERS")

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Like I said, roleplaying will almost always be inherently competitive, whether it's friendly or otherwise.
Huh, really? I can't remember the last time I was in an RP where competition between players was an aspect, outside of the recruitment parts. Like, when it comes to the actual roleplay itself, a vast majority of the ones I'm involved with have no competitive element. But of course that could just be that we go for different kinds of RPs!!

Remember, you can be cooperative and competitive; you can give advice and strive to do your best simultaneously!
Striving to do my best isn't something that means I'm competing with anyone, except my Past Self.

and just presenting out-of-character sections of the OP amicably. (Like no super passive rules sections that I see a lot on other sites; "THIS ISN'T YOUR NORMAL CHEAP-ASS RP, YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE CREATIVE, THIS IS FOR 'LITERATE' WRITERS")
Hm, what do you mean by this example? I'm not sure I follow. The example is vague, certainly, and crudely worded, but what do you mean by "passive"?

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Huh, really? I can't remember the last time I was in an RP where competition between players was an aspect, outside of the recruitment parts.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Ugh.

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Striving to do my best isn't something that means I'm competing with anyone, except my Past Self.

and RIP, I thought "passive rules" spoke for itself, here what's I intended in Fakegaytier's words:
Be Realistic.
I know this is a role-play and it's not real, but it's
based on the real world. I don't want [any] Mary Sues, Gary Lues, special snowflakes etc because they're unrealistic and they could never happen in the real world. So basically, I don't want a character whose family is dead and they were raised by a pack of wolves and they learned how to be an expert assassin from an inu demon. That doesn't even make sense.
Use proper grammar.
This roleplay is for literate people only, that means that I
have to be able to read your posts and actually understand them too. It's "you're" not "ur",
it's "and" not "n" and don't use smilies or "lol" or anything like that because it's amateurish
and completely unnecessary. I'll accept if you have a few typos in your posts, but if it starts
to bother me or other people then you have to edit them. Too many people don't proof-read
their posts and it's a real pet peeve of mine, so do it if you don't want to get kicked later for
breaking this rule too many times. Do not argue with me or you will be kicked.

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That clears it up. Thanks.

Also, my name change went through, lookie! Afterglow, or Glow for short. Hopefully that clears up any confusion with the other Oddball around here, and such.

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Hey, popping in to say that I didn't die and am not neglecting this thread; quite the opposite actually! I've been making strides in the materials for this game, and it's feasibly and dangerously close to being put up. I just want to quickly address some of the more direct stuff while I had the chance:

That's just not the right way to frame it
Oh, I see what you mean. Using the word "competition" wouldn't cultivate an environment of aiding one another on SUs as we've done here; I understand where you're coming from now.

The intention with my original statement was more in response to frustration with people who see that there are only say, five slots in a roleplay, and see five sign-ups already posted, and therefore opt out of putting in an SU despite having wanted to throw their hat in.

I understand that's lower priority than your other GM responsibilities
It is, sadly. I do like her, but if you're not going to seriously submit her against Cadbury, I have to focus on getting this RP off the ground.

What were you hoping to see?
You just went so much more in depth with Holly's quirks; what you have for Cadbury is already good, but I love depth. It's not about adding more, it's about elaborating and expanding on what's already there.

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It looks great, Ordy! :D

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Oh, I see what you mean. Using the word "competition" wouldn't cultivate an environment of aiding one another on SUs as we've done here; I understand where you're coming from now.

The intention with my original statement was more in response to frustration with people who see that there are only say, five slots in a roleplay, and see five sign-ups already posted, and therefore opt out of putting in an SU despite having wanted to throw their hat in.
Yeah, you got it! I'm glad we understand each other, because now I get what you were trying to say too, that situation is totally frustrating. However, we don't have five sign-ups yet, so no worries.

It is, sadly. I do like her, but if you're not going to seriously submit her against Cadbury, I have to focus on getting this RP off the ground.
Don't be sad! I'll save Holly the Ivysaur for if people like the idea of her more than Cadbury, or if we have an unfilled slot at the end of your sign-ups.

You just went so much more in depth with Holly's quirks; what you have for Cadbury is already good, but I love depth. It's not about adding more, it's about elaborating and expanding on what's already there.
Hrm. This is just me being blind to it because I was the one writing it, but I don't see where/how I made Cadbury's description less in depth about his "quirks" than I made Holly's, about hers. I bet that with a little pointing in the right direction, and/or comparisons of the two, I could develop Cadbury's further.

[Name change] looks great, Ordy! :D
You're doing this on purpose.

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Hm, maybe it's just my like of Holly and her differences, but it feels like you put some more work into how Holly relates to her profession. Maybe I want to see something similar for James? How he feels about his job, the way he manages himself between masters, what are the strict house rules he puts upon himself and the staffs he get put in charge of; maybe that sort of thing? Your SU is fine as it is, but if you want more things to chew on for James, this could be a start.

Also, speaking of limited slots, how does everyone feel about potentially opening up the possibility for people to come in and play guests in the restaurant?

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I thought up some more questions about Cadbury the Vanilluxxxe.

How long ago did he/they join the wait staff at Finer Things? I remember that was one of Kiyo's questions in the OP.

For that matter, should Cadbury, Caddy and Burr as one unit, be called "he" or "they"?

When my character wants to address one of them, is it good for me to call them by those names, Caddy and Burr? I ask because the Name section in your SU makes Caddy out to be in some sort of denial about the name Burr for his other half. Which has left me feeling confused.

How do you plan to differentiate their dialogue? Two different shades of colour, perhaps?

Also, speaking of limited slots, how does everyone feel about potentially opening up the possibility for people to come in and play guests in the restaurant?
Sure, that'd be fine, as long as you think you can assign someone else to the task and still have them drop the clues you want them to in a subtle enough way.
You also need to be willing to pick that character up to play yourself if the typist goes MIA.
Hm, maybe it's just my like of Holly and her differences, but it feels like you put some more work into how Holly relates to her profession. Maybe I want to see something similar for James?
How he feels about his job,
the way he manages himself between masters,
what are the strict house rules he puts upon himself and the staffs he get put in charge of; maybe that sort of thing? Your SU is fine as it is, but if you want more things to chew on for James, this could be a start.
SO, how Cadbury feels about his job is "Helping them enjoy themselves through his service is what he lives for." But then I wanted to dig into that and figure out WHY he enjoys that. What makes a kid want to be helpful growing up, and keep that mentality with him as an adult? Certainly the training he received from his tutor was a big part of it, but perhaps there was something else in his backstory... Maybe... Maybe for example, his mother has bipolar disorder, or Alzheimer's. And he as the child, would have spent a lot of time helping his mother, scheduling her days, etc. Or, perhaps there are other less dramatic ways to influence a child to grow up loving helping: I'm open to suggestion.

Cadbury adopts the words of his father: "I have dedicated my life to the pursuit of excellent service. I feel strongly that the best service can be a bridge between cultures and lifestyles, and that good service makes the difference between clients feeling comfortable or ill at ease."

He also takes to heart the words of his tutor: "Many people feel that having proper manners means being stuffy and pretentious, but I'm here to tell you that nothing could be further from the truth! You can be well-mannered, cultured, and a great home entertainer while being yourself -- in fact, there's no other way to be. For me, etiquette is not a set of classist rules of or rich, famous, or snobby people -- rather, it's a way of being, based on understanding other people and having consideration for their needs." (Note: While Cadbury adopts this mantra himself, he is not flawless, and can indeed come off as stuffy at times.)

Managing himself between masters... I think Cadbury is going to frame Finer Things as similar to a master in his mind, so he may not act "between masters" in the span of this RP. A master who has lots and lots of guests over to entertain and serve! Huh. Yeah, that should go in the SU, huh?

Now, rules of conduct for himself. Let's see... These are things passed down through generations and tradition, which is why many of them may be a little outdated. For example:
"Followers are strictly forbidden, and any servant found fraternizing with a member of the opposite sex will be dismissed without a hearing."
(Note the loophole: opposite sex. Also, "found" is a keyword here too -- as the generations have gone by, fraternizing in secret has become more common, though still taboo.)

Lesson one is "what matters most." This is all about personal presentation and attitude. You must always remember that your dress and demeanour say everything about your employers and their household (or bistro, in this case). You must stand up straight and you must always be smartly turned out. A good attitude means adopting a "no job too small" mentality. Good manners and total discretion are paramount.

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I thought up some more questions about Cadbury the Vanilluxxxe.
I think you'd be better off waiting until I finish fleshing out Cadbury's background in the final iteration of my sign-up to ask any further questions.

I can say that in the cases where they would have back-and-forth exchanges, basic close reading skills would likely make physically differentiating text appear more patronizing than anything and take away from the actual content of those exchanges. I might, however, use text shadow to represent when Caddy & Burr speak concurrently for stylistic reasons.

I can rarely keep pronouns consistent in my mind so, just from an in-character perspective, make sure Cadbury is referred to as a "he" from a limited narrator's perspective, since it wouldn't be appropriate, at least in the beginning, for anyone other than Cadbury's employer to know a "Burr" even exists and, as "he" sees it anyway, "he" is one consistently-functioning individual.

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Hey everyone, just pinging you to say that the OOC Thread is up and can be found (here)!

All further discussion should move there. Thank you to everyone who helped develop this project!

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You saw me standing alone
Without a dream in my heart
Without a love of my own
Blue Moon
You know just what I was there for
You heard me saying a prayer for
Someone I really could care for
And then there suddenly appeared before me
The only one my arms will hold
I heard somebody whisper please adore me
And when I looked to the Moon it turned to gold
Blue Moon, Now I'm no longer alone

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All further discussion should move there.
Does that mean my Linoone-answers to your feedback aren't gonna be responded to? (Because I posted the answers here, not in that thread)

Edit: Oops, I wasted my 500th post on something trivial.

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Oops, wasted my 500th post on something trivial.
They will be responded to there once I finish up a few remaining chores. In fact, since you need to repost Cadbury anyway, why don't you slap him in the OOC and I'll go over his entire profile once more?

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They will be responded to there once I finish up a few remaining chores. In fact, since you need to repost Cadbury anyway, why don't you slap him in the OOC and I'll go over his entire profile once more?
I'll hold off posting Cadbury's whole profile until I get feedback on that quirky stuff, so that I can actually add the quirky stuff to his SU before I post it.

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Hey

why did you ping me tho, i already finished my "app". rememburr? LOL

you should have pinged Orx at least three times. Man still didn't respond to this thread, even after we roasted his butthole.

also you dick, you deliberately didn't hang up my sexy variation of fem lombardi for the fanart section

I'll hold off posting Cadbury's whole profile until I get feedback on that quirky stuff, so that I can actually add the quirky stuff to his SU before I post it.
You could still post it there? I don't really see the harm of doing this, especially since it's easier for everyone else to take a sneak peak at your character even if it's still WIP, as opposed to having to swim through this cesspool.


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