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6th Gen New Legendary Pokemon - Xerneas and Yveltal

Which do you prefer?

  • Pokemon X

    Votes: 148 34.6%
  • Pokemon Y

    Votes: 192 44.9%
  • Both

    Votes: 88 20.6%

  • Total voters
    428

Yusshin

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Kyogre>Groudon

your argument is invalid

I don't understand? This discussion has nothing to do about Kyogre or Groudon.

Intimidate might not be "powerful" enough for Yveltal. I'd like to see Xerneas with a SP. ATK boosting ability and Yveltal with an ATK boosting ability. Both seem like such powerful, charismatic Pokemon after all. I can see how held-items could make them OP if it's the case... but solo it doesn't really matter, and against other players, well, I'm no battler so I don't exactly know - aren't most "competitions" without legendaries anyway? So would it really make a difference?
 

MiTjA

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I don't understand? This discussion has nothing to do about Kyogre or Groudon.

Intimidate might not be "powerful" enough for Yveltal. I'd like to see Xerneas with a SP. ATK boosting ability and Yveltal with an ATK boosting ability. Both seem like such powerful, charismatic Pokemon after all. I can see how held-items could make them OP if it's the case... but solo it doesn't really matter, and against other players, well, I'm no battler so I don't exactly know - aren't most "competitions" without legendaries anyway? So would it really make a difference?

I was replying to the part I quoted: you said "Then neither has a type advantage", implying the type match-up between the 2 mascots is relevant in some way.
Kyogre and Groudon perfectly show that they go for types that fit the concept/backstory, while the match-up might even turn out 100% one-sided and it still won't matter.
 
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Ho-Oh

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What attacks do we wanna see these mons learn, in terms of... non-attacking stuff? Think they'd both be given Work Up, or Nasty Plot Yveltal maybe?
 

Yusshin

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I was replying to the part I quoted: you said "Then neither has a type advantage", implying the type match-up between the 2 mascots is relevant in some way.
Kyogre and Groudon perfectly show that they go for types that fit the concept/backstory, while the match-up might even turn out 100% one-sided and it still won't matter.

Oh, OK. The only reason I said that to begin with was because people seem to be rooting for PokEquality between the two mascots. Neither having a type advantage against the other and both having few weaknesses due to their typing is a good start in terms of that "movement."
 

Ho-Oh

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I see it as being a mix of Mandibuzz and Honchkrow, nothing really... cemented, just a strong mon. :x
 

MiTjA

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oh oh oh!
stat speculationnnnnnnn

what we had before:
First Ho-oh and Lugia.
They were basically Mewtwo clones, in terms of stats simply shuffled around a bit.
(Mewtwo 106 110 90 154 90 130)
Lugia 106 90 130 90 154 110
Ho-oh 106 130 90 110 154 90


Then they did something from scratch, with a big physical vs special focus (2 very high stats instead of one 154), but lower total (670) due to making Rayquaza superior (the usual 680):
Groudon 100 150 140 100 90 90
Kyogre 100 100 90 150 140 90

Rayquaza 105 150 90 150 90 95


Then the last 2 sets (gen 4 and 5) both used the same stats (with only one very high stat, 150), merely shuffled around.
Palkia 90 120 100 150 120 100
Dialga 100 120 120 150 100 90
Giratina 150 100 120 100 120 90

Reshiram 100 120 100 150 120 90
Zekrom 100 150 120 120 100 90

Kyurem was a unique case starting weaker as any of them, and gaining ridiculously high offense surpassing Mewtwo
regular 125 130 90 130 90 95
white 125 120 90 170 100 95


either they go for 670 (which would make me think there is a stronger 680 waiting for later), or probably more likely, 680 again.

If they go for the same spread a third time(!), my guess is
Xerneas 120 90 120 100 150 100
Yveltal 100 150 100 120 90 120

but maybe they've had enough of these numbers and go back to "mewtwo clones" gen 2 style, perhaps something like:
Xerneas 110 90 154 90 130 106
Yveltal 110 154 90 130 90 106

But more likely than either, they will make them from scratch.
My guess is that neither of them will be slow (min. 100), that Yveltal will be much more offensive (especially physical attack at least 150) and Xerneas defensive (we havent had a mascot who didnt have its highest stat in an attack since gen 2..), instead of just being physical/special mirrored duo like KyoGro/ReshZekr.

I would personally make them:
Xerneas 120 90 120 90 160 100
Yveltal 100 160 90 120 90 120
 
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MiTjA

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Maybe they'll go out and surprise us by making them 690 rather than 680 and 670 we've seen in the past...

They don't seem like they're supposed to be more epic than the dimension trio.

We haven't seen 670 since the first time tho (Kyo/Gro), so Id put my bets on that rather than 690, in case they aren't 680.

If they turn out to be 680s, and there happens to be a third one, I could see that one being slightly superior and the first with 690 tho.
 

Ho-Oh

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idk, they could reach 700...? They can challenge Arceus and Kyurem for champion aka the strongest legendary (and since we've had that in the recent games, it isn't impossible)~
 

Jake♫

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I feel like trying to beat Arceus for strongest legendary is kind of silly though. It's the god of Pokémon after all, and I feel like nothing should be stronger than that. I'd be happy with them sitting at a base 670-680 BST personally.
 

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire

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Maybe they could be 675, stronger than Groudon and Kyogre, and Grey Kyurem but Weaker than Ho-oh,Lugia, Rayquaza, Dialgia, Palkia, Giratina, Reshiram and Zekrom, and Black and White Kyurems.
 

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire

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Possibly, however it wouldn't be too bad if they shook things up this time around with the legendary mascots. If they're doing 680 bst I'm hoping they do a different spread than they've been doing as of late, Kyurem was a nice break from the spread and bst.
 

Zorogami

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http://pokejungle.net/2013/05/06/norse-mythology-the-x-y-legendaries/
a very interesting speculation that was published in pokejungle, they speculate that the legendary pokemon may be based on a creature from norse mythology, and actualy it seems to fit.

Thanks for the Link, this was actually a great read!
And it makes so much sense!! It fits perfectly, how Xerneas and Yveltal could be
inspired by the 2 creatures of the norse mythology. Especially if it seems that X/Y
are going to be inspired by European culture/folklore.
 

Guy

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http://pokejungle.net/2013/05/06/norse-mythology-the-x-y-legendaries/
a very interesting speculation that was published in pokejungle, they speculate that the legendary pokemon may be based on a creature from norse mythology, and actualy it seems to fit.
I think the idea of Norse Mythology being used as an influence on Yveltal and Xerneas is a good one. It has certainly come up time and time again, but I wouldn't go as far as to say the Norse Mythology will have anything to do with the Pokémon themselves as some others believe. For example, having an impact on their actual Pokémon background or storyline. The Norse Mythology could have just been an influence on what to base the mascots after.
 
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