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Miss Doronjo

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I had an idea recently. Since the Pokemon of the Fortnight isn't getting much participation, I was wondering if we could ditch that and start up the Community Create-A-Team instead. It's the same thing but instead it's focused on the community creating a team together rather than users individually creating teams. I think this would be more entertaining, and is more community involved.

Yeah I agree~ I'd favor this idea more than the individual team creating. D=
 

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That sounds much better to me, more community-oriented and just generally more interesting
 

Synerjee

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I had an idea recently. Since the Pokemon of the Fortnight isn't getting much participation, I was wondering if we could ditch that and start up the Community Create-A-Team instead. It's the same thing but instead it's focused on the community creating a team together rather than users individually creating teams. I think this would be more entertaining, and is more community involved.

This sounds great! xD It'll help the members bond together and cooperate in the building of this team. By building this team together, members could gain new team-building ideas, better up their already existing teams, or simply learn a thing or two to use in their in-game teams. This could be helpful to those who are newer to battling and to help promote a friendly and easy-going atmosphere. xD
 
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Most people who don't care about the legitness of their pokemon tend not to be competitive battlers anyway and they're not the sort we're looking to attract.
Huh, seeing this, and I actually came to this thread to say that I'd like to see more noncompetitive battling discussion, as it's exclusionary that competitive is all this section is treated as, given the following:
Wolflare; Battle Center Guidelines said:
Anything that incorporates battling strategy can be posted here regardless if it's competitive, casual, or in-game.
 

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Uhhh okay so,

I was re-reading this thread that turned out terribly. Back then there was barely any regulars. People like NU but resist it more because there's a lot to learn, etc, and it's not all from the start, and so on.

What if... we all at once specialise in something else, being PU? Aka what's below NU. It's not really an official tier, and while there are cut-offs, we can certainly try/get to use certain mons in PU and work by NU's tiers as in what leaves/joins PU. None of us would know anything so we'd be starting fresh p much and rather than pushing NU, a different version of it, aka PU, can become bigger, and instead of complaining about Mushy etc in NU we can play with some of NU's mons but in a fun way with the most powerful/most used not even allowed!

I'm not sure this post makes sense. tl;dr let's try PU. I mean I could just post a PU thread but I think it'd be better to have people interested all at once given we don't know much really. ;x
 
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I'm all for it. Things are getting a bit boring around here and this might help. I can launch the Community Create-A-Team with a PU theme if you folks would like that. We might gain some knowledge about the metagame from the discussion. Additionally, PU will be available on the ladder once Steve updates the server.

If there's usage stats to base it off of I'd be down for trying it
PU includes all Pokemon with less than 3.41% usage in NU. All of these Pokemon are PU:

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You can also use January's usage statistics (the newest) to get a better idea of what is popular at the moment:

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However, not all of these Pokemon are PU because the tiers haven't changed (the last tier change was after December). So, only use these statistics to see what's popular, and not to figure whether a Pokemon is PU or not.

Huh, seeing this, and I actually came to this thread to say that I'd like to see more noncompetitive battling discussion, as it's exclusionary that competitive is all this section is treated as, given the following:
I agree, we do need more discussion threads in general. I might post some threads of my own if I get any topic ideas.
 

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i find it a little irritating when i want to find a new tournament but the events and group section is full of leagues. maybe the two should be separated? it doesn't bother me that much but still seems rather inconvenient.
 
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i find it a little irritating when i want to find a new tournament but the events and group section is full of leagues. maybe the two should be separated? it doesn't bother me that much but still seems rather inconvenient.
We haven't had any leagues posted in the past month. All of the recent threads are tournaments. I was thinking about adding an index of currently running events and groups to the forum splash (at the top of the forum). I could possibly include sections for tournaments, leagues, clans, etc. and display which are currently looking for sign-ups. I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble though.
 
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Now that the battles are working on our server, are people still interested in trying out PU? I was also thinking about starting up the weekly tournaments now that E&G isn't as concentrated with events as it used to be. Basically, each tournament is single-elimination and is made up of four rounds. Each of those rounds last a week and have a different theme. Battle won are tallied up from all of the rounds, and the winner is decided at the end of a month. However, this isn't concrete; I might change it if I think of something else. The basic idea is to provide fast, weekly competitions with each having different themes.
 
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How would you guys feel about having a weekly server tournament held on Saturday (EST)? It would most likely happen at nighttime, but it could moved to an earlier time every other tournament for the British. Each tournament would have a different theme. In a sense, it would be a mini-CommDay, but certainly not as major.

lyk dis if u want it
 

Miss Doronjo

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How would you guys feel about having a weekly server tournament held on Saturday (EST)? It would most likely happen at nighttime, but it could moved to an earlier time every other tournament for the British. The theme would vary each tournament. In a sense, it would be a mini-CommDay, but certainly not as major.

lyk dis if u want it

I was thinking about that too, and yeah, it does sound fun~!

The tournaments are going to vary right? Between all of the tiers, and other fun stuff such as... the CC and the other Cups?
 
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I was thinking about that too, and yeah, it does sound fun~!

The tournaments are going to vary right? Between all of the tiers, and other fun stuff such as... the CC and the other Cups?
Yup, there will be different themes each weekly tournament. Perhaps that could be something the community can vote on.
 

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Ooooooooooh! I love this idea and I feel would be great for the server. Maybe do like a weekly poll of which type the tournament will be that week.
 
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First off, I'm posting this here for anyone interested in giving feedback. I could post this in the Mod Lounge first, but I'd like to get the battling community's opinion on this.

BC has been hurting for activity lately, and this is nothing new. I think there's little I can do to fix that. There has been little to no competitive discussion here at PC, and that has gotten even worse. PC's battling community has gotten more "casual" and has become less focused on being a second Smogon (which isn't a bad thing). As a result, the Competitive Battling Center was renamed to the Battle Center to accommodate discussion related to in-game battling strategy and team building. However, a major problem remains from that change: in-game battling discussion is already discussed in the other Pokemon gaming forums. Threads such as "What's your team?" could exist in BC as they are related battling and team building. The same can be said about this random thread I spotted while viewing the forum index; mainly because abilities and other Pokemon stats are associated with battling strategy. I could possibly make a thread about Sylveon and what people predict its stats, moves, and such will be, but it would be strikingly similar to the XY forum's version. There is simply no need for a separate forum just for battling and team building when those topics are already covered by PC's other Pokemon game forums. However, there's still competitive discussion, but the problem is that there is not enough activity and interest to warrant an entire forum for that. In fact, there's not much of a reason for competitive discussion when the "# Generation" forums could easily include that. The tiers for competitive Pokemon have always been organized by generation, so it seems like a perfect fit. The fifth generation forum already has Weekly NU Match-up threads without encountering any problems. I doubt any issues would show up, and the PC's community may even become more interested in competitive play if it was discussed in the main Pokemon game forums. I feel there is no need to separate competitive play from other discussions about the Pokemon games, and that separation may be one of the causes why members feel intimidated by competitive play. As a result, PC's battling community may benefit from this.

In conclusion, what I want to do is remove the BC we have right now, because I believe it to be redundant when its purpose is essentially filled by other forums. Then, make its sub-forums into separate forums like in the past. E&G would be renamed to "Battle Center" or "Battle Stadium," while the team help sub-forums would be combined into one forum called "Pokemon Team Help." The Pokemon Team Help forum would be similar to Strategies & Movesets, but it would be strictly for team help and not the "all-in-one" competitive forum like it used to be. The other Pokemon gaming forums would then be used for discussion and battle logs depending on which generation the thread is related to.
 
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Those I'm confused about one thing. Would Pokemon Team help be a subforum of Battle Stadium, or would it be a separate forum entirely?
It would be its own forum, since it makes little sense to keep it attached to the Battle Center any longer. The Pokemon Team Help forum would be more related to the "# Generation" forums and Pokemon game discussion than it would be related to battling events.
 
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I see then. I suppose I'm just confused as to whats going to happen to the concept of RMTs, since they've been a part of Battle Center/Stadium for quite a while, now. Are they going to belong in Pokemon Team Help, or are they going to belong in Battle Stadium? I understand that PTH can be utilized for in-game team discussion, but can it also be used for competitive team discussion? And if so, what content is going to be posted in Battle Stadium, is what I'm wondering? D:
E&G will be renamed to the Battle Stadium or Center, so its content would be threads for hosting battles (i.e. tournaments, leagues, etc.). PTH would be a new separate forum strictly for RMT threads, but there would be a sticky thread for moveset requests and incomplete team help like with CTH and ITH. However, I'm unsure whether competitive and in-game RMTs would be separated. But basically, it would be similar to the way things used to be with the Battle Stadium and Strategies & Movesets. However, the Pokemon Team Help forum won't include much discussion; it would be there for team building help.
 
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Let's recap. BC is meant to be used for discussions about battling strategy and team building, but with those two topics being such major parts of the Pokemon games, it becomes a gray area and many of those type of threads end up in other forums. Competitive and in-game discussion are not quite different enough to remain separate, and the differences between the two can sometimes lead to confusion. Getting rid of BC would fix this, then the other forums can used for all things related to their generation of games. However, that would leave us with BC's sub-forums: E&G, CTH, and ITH. I'm suggesting that we split E&G and CTH/ITH into separate forums. The content of these forums will remain unchanged (aside from E&G getting a few of BC's stickies). For example, the forum that CTH and ITH could be merged into (PTH) will contain their threads, which are only RMT threads. Anyway, we're left with a few options:

1) Separate E&G and PTH into different forums.
2) PTH becomes a sub-forum of E&G
3) E&G becomes a sub-forum of PTH

PTH would be active and important enough to become its own forum. Making E&G into a sub-forum of PTH wouldn't make very much sense, as battling events have very little to do with team help. While E&G may not be the most active forum around, it just doesn't logically fit in any other forum. I think E&G is important enough to be a separate forum, because there are still plenty of new people that join to battle. Indeed, it would be weird to shove the battling equivalent of TC in a team help forum. Maybe it's just me, but I also found that it's easy to keep E&G active when there are a steady flow of events. PTH generally stays active because of new people posting their teams, so that's a given.
 

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uhhhh i don't get the purpose of this at all ?

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=296905 would be in PCG

and http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=296761 would be nowhere

and http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=287338 would be on smogon

basically ^

because you're pretty much taking out battle center and it really makes no sense, are we not going to be able to have any sort of discussion on the forums here at all or??????? because honestly i find that dumb.. :/ we've had good discussion going on and it's the users fault, not the forum. you should concentrate more on actually getting activity rather than just hosting tournaments people forget about. this place is seriously going downhill. at this point i'm considering giving up on this hell hole of a "battling" forum.
 
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Mm to be quite honest, I can see what Wolf is saying. Having read through his post a second time, the only thing I would be unsure about is how EG and PTH go together, they're both aspects of competitive battling in their own ways but yeah it's like putting jam and vegemite on the same sandwich if that makes sense. But then again personally I find that the RMT section is rather inactive at the moment and I'm not sure if it would get enough activity to get it's own seperate little forum section instead of being a subforum of BC. I don't know, but right now if I had to choose one of those three options, I'd say just seperate them both honestly. Although they might not be the most active forums on earth, it won't make complete sense either making one or another a subforum of the other.

Also I don't think Wolf is necessarily saying that we should abolish all sorts of discussions in BC completely, but that quite a few threads created here could also belong in other forums? I dunno that's how I took it in as, but I'm not sure about anybody else. Also I'm sorry if this post isn't making much sense but then again I'm going to say the thread that Nica thought would belong in Smogon can also belong here! This is a battle section after all while Smogon is a battling community and they sort of go together don't they to be honest? A battling related thread in a competitive battling section. Mm I'm not sure, if you need clarifying on what I'm going on about feel free to ask! But yeah I'd also suggest a boost of activity if possible, it has been rather inactive at times at least in my opinion. Also the tournaments here are great to be honest, they use a whole wide range of tiers, throw in some creativity and you have some insanely good tournaments right there. I'm not sure why BC's activity is quite low honestly, but if anyone thinks or knows why then feel free to say. :3. Also sorry again if this makes no sense at all, you can always say and I'll try explain it more clearly. :3
 
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