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MERS, an incurable virus, makes an outbreak in South Korea

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As of today, 145 people have been infected and 15 have been killed by the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) since mid-May. The most likely cause is transmission by dromedary camels; human-to-human transmission requires close contact. The outbreak of MERS is the largest outside Saudi Arabia.

How did it start?

The South Korean Health Ministry said the son of a confirmed victim, who was being observed for possible MERS infection, broke a voluntary home quarantine and traveled to China on Tuesday. On Friday, the Korean Health Ministry confirmed he did contract the deadly virus, which marks the first confirmed case of MERS in China.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/coronavirus_infections/faq/en/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/mers-cases-south-korea-outbreak-150614012824661.html
http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...struggles-to-contain-deadly-mers-virus-spread
 

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Two things come to mind.

One: the planet, our great Mother Earth, has way of rebalancing, and Homo Sapiens is severely out of touch with the natural order.

Two: silver kills all pathogens, without known exception. Therefore, no such thing as an "incurable virus" exists. It's simply not a thing.

Why this information has been suppressed, I don't know. Perhaps the big players in the medicinal world want an ace in the hole, or maybe (probably) big Pharma is making fuck tons of money selling antibiotics and remedies for bodies damaged by over consumption of antibiotics.

BTW, fuck tons are larger than regular tons. They're extremely massive.
 
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One: the planet, our great Mother Earth, has way of rebalancing, and Homo Sapiens is severely out of touch with the natural order.
"Mother Earth" is not some thinking entity with a will to effect change. It is not trying to balance anything. Yes, it's true that humans on the whole are pretty unforgiving to the environment, but there is no "natural order" to life outside of food chains and chemical reactions and stuff like that. People aren't "meant" to act in any particular way. There are just different types of consequences for different actions.

Two: silver kills all pathogens, without known exception. Therefore, no such thing as an "incurable virus" exists. It's simply not a thing.
While I believe most or all viruses can be killed/cured/defeated/whatever eventually, and that pharmaceutical companies are often greedy money grubbers, I don't think that there is a magic silver bullet that is being kept secret in some kind of vague conspiracy. Why wouldn't someone with this magic cure not come out and announce they can cure HIV? They would be seen as a hero and likely become wildly wealthy.
 

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"Mother Earth" is not some thinking entity with a will to effect change. It is not trying to balance anything. Yes, it's true that humans on the whole are pretty unforgiving to the environment, but there is no "natural order" to life outside of food chains and chemical reactions and stuff like that. People aren't "meant" to act in any particular way. There are just different types of consequences for different actions.

It's a matter of perception. It can be seen that complex systems are interconnected and mutually determining. The universe as a whole has properties of a fractal, with repeating whole/parts all the way and all the way down. And over the course of history, there is a drive toward greater complexity.

To me, action and reaction are not sufficient for all this to occur. There is, at the least, a fundamental love that co-arises with the mysterious, spinning, vibrational stuff we call matter. At an atomic level, love is as simple as attraction/repulsion. At the human level, love had become much more complex: there is familial love, brotherly love, erotic love, etc.

It seems quite reasonable to me that there are systems which are more complex than the human system, and that complex emotional states (or something similar) co-arise with those systems. Gaia is not a new concept, and I don't feel that it's an unreasonable one.

While I believe most or all viruses can be killed/cured/defeated/whatever eventually, and that pharmaceutical companies are often greedy money grubbers, I don't think that there is a magic silver bullet that is being kept secret in some kind of vague conspiracy. Why wouldn't someone with this magic cure not come out and announce they can cure HIV? They would be seen as a hero and likely become wildly wealthy.

The anti-microbial properties of silver are well-documented and have been known for millenia. What is also well-documented is the disinformation campaign that the pharmaceutical industry used to discredit colloidal silver. First, colloidal silver was conflated with ionic silver. Then a whole hell of a lot of money was spent spreading the story of a man who baked himself - inside and out - with ionic silver and permanently turned his skin Smurf blue.

Conspiracy != disinformation campaign. Again, I only bring this up because there hasn't been a microbe discovered yet that silver nanoparticles won't kill.
 

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Two: silver kills all pathogens, without known exception.

There's no evidence, or peer-reviewed study to support that it kills all pathogens -- take note that there are well over 320 000 viruses that infect mammals. And the fact that it has been shown to kill bacteria in vitro (in high concentrations) does not mean that it's safe for consumption or that it would have any benefits inside the human body. Bacteria can grow resistant to silver, and prolonged buildup of silver in tissue can lead to argyria.

Colloidal silver has as much grounds for medicine as homeopathy.

Therefore, no such thing as an "incurable virus" exists. It's simply not a thing.

You're right, I worded the title wrong: it should have been "incurable disease". Viruses can't be cured. Apologies.

Why this information has been suppressed, I don't know. Perhaps the big players in the medicinal world want an ace in the hole, or maybe (probably) big Pharma is making psyduck tons of money selling antibiotics and remedies for bodies damaged by over consumption of antibiotics.

BTW, psyduck tons are larger than regular tons. They're extremely massive.

You hate vaccines, don't you?
 

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There's no evidence, or peer-reviewed study to support that it kills all pathogens -- take note that there are well over 320 000 viruses that infect mammals. And the fact that it has been shown to kill bacteria in vitro (in high concentrations) does not mean that it's safe for consumption or that it would have any benefits inside the human body. Bacteria can grow resistant to silver, and prolonged buildup of silver in tissue can lead to argyria.

Colloidal silver has as much grounds for medicine as homeopathy.



You're right, I worded the title wrong: it should have been "incurable disease". Viruses can't be cured. Apologies.



You hate vaccines, don't you?

Here are links to a few of the many studies showing the effectiveness of silver against microorganisms.

http://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...sa-isolated-burn-patients-2157-7439-5-192.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18854209/?i=6&from=/17379174/related

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11274-009-0211-3

Lara HH, Ayala-Nunez NV, Turrent LCI, Padilla CR (2010) Bactericidal effect of silver nanoparticles against multidrug-resistant bacteria. World Journal of Microbiology and Biotechnology 26: 615-621.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22324439

Rai MK, Deshmukh SD, Ingle AP, Gade AK (2012) Silver nanoparticles: the powerful nanoweapon against multidrug-resistant bacteria. J Appl Microbiol 112: 841-852.



The mechanism by which silver does this this to disrupt the respiration of one-celled organisms (i.e. bacteria, fungi, and viruses).

Further, it appears that such organisms are not readily able to adapt to this process. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18382046/?i=4&from=/15823649/related



You hate vaccines, don't you?

Hahaha ouch, my pride. In other words, do I swallow misinformation unquestioningly? No, I don't.

I don't have a problem with vaccines, because vaccines are demonstrated not to contribute to developmental disorders. Yet the mainstream media continues to report otherwise, and deceive people who don't do their research.

So, let me show you the results of the research I conducted on this matter.



As I stated earlier, silver colloids are fundamentally different from solutions of ionic silver. A true colloid is a suspension of nanoparticles, or in other words, tiny groups of silver *atoms*. It's believed that these atoms lack the properties of silver ions and silver proteins that bind to the skin and can potentially cause argyria.

However, recent research may indicate that ultimately it is the amount of silver ingested that truly matters. https://news.brown.edu/articles/2012/10/argyria. This second hypothesis fits well with the long history of the medicinal use of silver, and the extremely low incidence of argyria.

Silver has been used for thousands of years as a disinfectant, and was sold over the counter for a century and a half in the US. Exceedingly few cases of argyria are documented during this time, despite prolonged consumption by millions of people. http://www.silveredgehealth.com/pdf/history.pdf

So why all the attention on an exceedingly rare cosmetic side effect from use of a proven powerful antimicrobial?



Silver, a natural and therefore *non-patentable* substance, stopped being sold as a remedy in the 1940's, right as the pharmaceutical industry developed its patented antibiotics like penicillin. This in spite of the demonstrated safety of silver when taken properly. This in spite of the incredibly low occurrence of argyria in consumers.

And the situation remains unchanged, despite the fact that we now know that antibiotics destroy the healthy gut culture and thereby leave patients prone to poor health and further sickness. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130109081145.htm

Finally, enter the Blue Man, Paul Karason. If I were to publish an e-book about 'How to Turn Yourself Blue for Cheap', I'd recommend Paul's method.

He consumed up to a quart daily of his home-brewed, high potency ionic silver solution (compared to a recommended intake of one tablespoon of a solution diluted to a few hundred parts per million), then lathered a homemade cream loaded with ionic silver and sealed all of that in by soaking up UV in a tanning bed.

The mainstream media snatched this up and blasted it all over the networks, much like they did with the study (which has been shown to be false) linking vaccines to autism.



This collection of evidence is my basis for concluding that big Pharma is actively discrediting silver in order to sell their antibiotics. The final assumption is of course, that the media was paid by industry insiders to circulate the various misinformation. This is the piece of the puzzle for which I have no direct proof; it just seems pretty damn likely, given the accumulation of facts.

Look at how much money is made from patented antibiotics (and other pharms), how many of those are documented to have injured or killed thousands and hundreds of thousands of people yet remain on the market for years. Look at the incredibly expensive cost of FDA approval, which inhibits any products being approved that are not lucrative (read: patentable). Look at the way representatives of drug companies are paid to go to medical establishments, handing out gifts and schmoozing with the staff in order to promote their product. Look at the way the industry spends millions of dollars on ads, encouraging the listener to self-diagnose and then 'ask your doctor if (whichever product we're asking them to prescribe) is right for you'. That practice is outlawed in many countries.

For me, it's quite difficult to believe that these people really have the public's best interests in mind. But that's precisely because I don't take things at face value; I do my homework, check my sources, and generally make it a priority to know what I'm talking about when I speak. It doesn't ultimately matter whether the conclusion is popular, or if it sounds like a conspiracy theory. What matters is what the facts show, and what seems most likely in the face of logic.

Of course, I do get a bit dramatic when I write. But that makes it so much more fun!
 
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Two: silver kills all pathogens, without known exception. Therefore, no such thing as an "incurable virus" exists. It's simply not a thing.
While I completely agree with you that silver (specifically silver nitrate) has its place in medicine, and by no means should it be discredited at all, this statement jumps the gun a little...

I took the liberty of reading the abstracts of all your sources. Forgive me if I missed something due to skimming, but I noticed that all of these sources only state the benefits of silver on bacteria - not on viruses, which is subsequently what this topic is about. People commonly refer to pathogens, bacteria, microbes, and viruses as one single entity, but there are some key differences between bacteria and viruses that should be noted, if we remember our microbiology. I'm going to keep it simple for the sake of my own simple brain, and say that it seems silver acts in a manner that disrupts the cell membrane, and as you mentioned, inhibits the "respiratory" process of the bacteria. While this is unrivaled in the fight against resistant bacteria, it would do virtually nothing to stop a virus, as viruses do not really have a metabolism, nor are they really "alive" at all by definition. They simply tell your living cells to make copies of the virus, uninhibited, and your cells comply. Said cells then blow up or "lyse" and then you have that many more viruses floating around in your system. Perhaps my virology is a little out-of-date, but their cell membranes are not akin to that of bacteria. To make a long story short, viruses are tricky little bastards to get rid of and neither antibiotics nor silver will do anything to stop them. You need antivirals, which have a very different mechanism of action which actually prevents or reduces that whole "occupying your cells" thing I mentioned earlier.

Jumping on my pharmaceutical soapbox for a minute...

As far as big pharma is concerned, I agree that they often use underhanded methods. As with any large company, they are certainly protective of their assets and profit margins - when you boil it down, unfortunately everything is run like a business, even health care. However, the big money for big pharma actually isn't the production of their antibiotics at all. In fact, they lose much more money on these products than they make. It takes soooo much research, time, and materials to produce the next line of defense against harmful bacteria as they adapt and evolve, and as we produce more and more specific, targeted antibiotics in lieu of the broad-spectrum antibiotics, you then begin to have a customer base that is actually shrinking. It's actually a huge problem in the pharmaceutical world as further production is beginning to come down to cost-effectiveness. No, pharmaceutical companies make all their lucrative money from antidepressants and boner pills, to put it bluntly. Especially in the United States market, they know to keep those patents for as long as legally possible (ever wonder why Viagra and Cialis still aren't generic...) so that they can continue to charge whatever outstanding amount of money they choose for your "happiness," because they know the market will gladly oblige. The up-side of this is that they can funnel this money into research and development of new antibiotics. The down-side would be if they chose not to.

Additionally, you're right. Strong antibiotics do have strong side effects. In some circumstances, they can even be deadly. It's one of those situations where you and your health care professionals of choice have to make a cost benefit analysis as to whether attempting the therapy is a wise decision. As for destroying normal flora in the digestive tract, that can easily be replaced by supplementing a probiotic. In my experience, the people who have issues with this typically don't comply with this part of the therapy and end up in situations like contracting C-Diff (clostridium difficile) due to the lack of competition microbes. Though, even this can be possibly mitigated with a procedure known as a "fecal matter transplant." Though, uh, I don't encourage googling that if you have a weak constitution.
 

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Ok I feel like adding some of my two cents in here (I've worked with chemicals in a lab for a year and a half so that's where I'm coming from on this):

1) Silver and all its compounds are toxic. It kills bacteria because it's deadly. At the nanoparticle level, it's actually lethal to human beings. At that small of a scale, particle size is actually inversely related with lethality. Quantum physics is a beautiful mindfuck, what can I say.
2) Nanoparticles require a delivery mechanism. Remember what I said above? Because the nanoparticles are so incredibly lethal, they require a delivery mechanism that can discern the difference between bad cell and good cell. It's been a while since I was working with nanoparticles (of the silver variety, funnily enough), but at that time not a single person in that lab had confidence an industrial delivery mechanism was going to come in the near future. These were people with PhD's focusing on nanochemistry, so I'm inclined to side with them. Also, again once you reach the nanoparticle scale and quantum physics shows its ugly head, traditional engineering breaks down almost instantly.
3) Virus =/= bacteria. You can treat MERS with silver nanoparticles like you can cure ebola with a flamethrower, by destroying the host. That's all they're good for. You can kill the host cells and disrupt the life cycle, but more or less you're going to be doing the exact same damage to the person. Whether you're losing cells to nanoparticles or MERS, it doesn't really matter. You're still going to die. Nanoparticles are most effective when they can catch something before it's a problem. Once you're already infected, the number of cells you'll destroy is going to be an equally large health concern. They may not be able to transmit the disease anymore, but you could have quarantined them for less cost. Silver nanoparticles aren't cheap my friend.

As far as the Gaia theory goes and "big pharma" all I can say is that nothing supports Gaia theory and big pharma is not making it's money off silver nanoparticles, let me tell you. Lifestyle medications are where the money's at.
 
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Pretty cool time to be alive when breaking news is a virus outbreak with 15 dead and less than 200 infected in a new region.

I know it spans wider than that, but dang, what a great amount of progress compared to just 100 years ago even.
 
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