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Old May 11th, 2018 (12:14 AM). Edited July 26th, 2018 by Zach!.
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    Actually, I can see some good discussion out of this.

    If you've been keeping an eye on a lot of stuff in the previous two generations, they've been tossing in Kanto there, Kanto this, Kanto that. It's been toned down a bit in this gen, but the Kanto nodding is still there. This is probably leading up to what I think the next generation is going to be - a Kanto reboot.

    This idea has already most likely been taken, but I'm definitely not copying anyone else's idea - the whole premise of it is that Kanto is one of the least accessible regions right now. Sure, there's VC RBY, but they're emulations rather than the genuine article, and were only shoved in for Pokemon's 20th. There's HGSS, but that was a more watered down Kanto and Johto was the main focus of the plot, not Kanto. This leaves us with FRLG, which is actually pretty dated as far as Pokemon standards go and it isn't really discussed anymore outside of ROM hacking circles. It should be noted that FRLG gave us an extension of Kanto in the form of the Sevii Islands, with which the concept hasn't been explored to much extent until Alola, which is somewhat similar in some regards. Also, the Sevii Islands provided an expansion to the Team Rocket subplot, leading up to the events of HGSS.

    If anything, if they are going to do a strict Kanto reboot, they can't just copy RBY, but take from FRLG because it's more recent and people are going to get bored if it's RBY again, considering people played it on VC. And also, Kanto is a small region on its own, so it needs some expansion, such as bringing back the aforementioned Sevii Islands...or even shoving in Johto.
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    I don't think that the constant Kanto referencing is a sign of another remake coming soon, as they probably just do that since Kanto is the most recognizable part of the franchise and they like to milk that for all it's worth, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get it sometime next generation or the one after that. Just for different reasons.
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      Actually, I can see some good discussion out of this.

      If you've been keeping an eye on a lot of stuff in the previous two generations, they've been tossing in Kanto there, Kanto this, Kanto that. It's been toned down a bit in this gen, but the Kanto nodding is still there. This is probably leading up to what I think the next generation is going to be - a Kanto reboot.

      This idea has already most likely been taken, but I'm definitely not copying anyone else's idea - the whole premise of it is that Kanto is one of the least accessible regions right now. Sure, there's VC RBY, but they're emulations rather than the genuine article, and were only shoved in for Pokemon's 20th. There's HGSS, but that was a more watered down Kanto and Johto was the main focus of the plot, not Kanto. This leaves us with FRLG, which is actually pretty dated as far as Pokemon standards go and it isn't really discussed anymore outside of ROM hacking circles. It should be noted that FRLG gave us an extension of Kanto in the form of the Sevii Islands, with which the concept hasn't been explored to much extent until Alola, which is somewhat similar in some regards. Also, the Sevii Islands provided an expansion to the Team Rocket subplot, leading up to the events of HGSS.

      If anything, if they are going to do a strict Kanto reboot, they can't just copy RBY, but take from FRLG because it's more recent and people are going to get bored if it's RBY again, considering people played it on VC. And also, Kanto is a small region on its own, so it needs some expansion, such as bringing back the aforementioned Sevii Islands...or even shoving in Johto.
      FireRed/LeafGreen is a remake of Red/Blue, not Yellow. Yellow is distinctly different in that your starter is always Pikachu and your rival is always Eevee. Gym Leader teams are different, Elite Four is arguably better and the Team Rocket experience has an Anine feel thanks to Jessie and James. That’s not factoring in the Pokemon you can catch in Yellow compared to the other versions(and their movesets are different such as Charizard being able to learn Fly).

      If they were to remake Generation 1 again, what exactly would they add other than Mega Evolutions and perhaps end-game content such as the Battle Frontier. Furthermore do you base it on Yellow or do you base it on Red/Blue again? I’d like to see a Yellow remake if only because I’d like the Anime to address Ash giving promises he’s yet to keep(such as Butterfree, Primeape, Haunter/Sabrina and Pidgeot). If they did that and had him win the League, they could finally move onto another main protagonist.
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      Old May 11th, 2018 (6:54 AM). Edited May 11th, 2018 by Enpatsu Shakugan.
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      I hope they don't. Kanto is overplayed. Most players know it so well, they can play it blindfolded.

      It's been in 4 generations. I don't need to see it again. If they again remake it, it's a crutch.
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        FireRed/LeafGreen is a remake of Red/Blue, not Yellow. Yellow is distinctly different in that your starter is always Pikachu and your rival is always Eevee.
        Yellow is distinctly different because unlike any other game, it's an anime tie-in. It really shouldn't be shoved in with Red/Blue. It's not even the typical improved third version. That was Blue for Generation I.
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          I'd really prefer something new, so I'm not that happy about all these Kanto remake rumours.

          However...

          I think it could be interesting if they combined a Kanto remake with a Unova style reboot.

          By that I mean have Kanto as the region, but have only completely new Pokemon like what they did in Black & White.

          (I think that could make for an interesting blend of the old and new.....and almost be like a compromise between people who want Kanto and those who don't)
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          Old May 12th, 2018 (4:38 AM). Edited May 12th, 2018 by CF1994.
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            Kanto should not get too much special treatment, although I would welcome some changes.

            1. Move Tutors
            The ones in FR/LG can only teach some moves once and that's it.

            I would love to see them come back as one Move Tutor who can teach them over and over again as long as you have sufficient BP or Shards, just like in Emerald.

            This would be handy for players who cannot get FR/LG to give Clefable Soft-Boiled, as Moonlight doesn't cut it in most situations.

            2. Tougher trainers
            This would be make the games laughably easier, but some bosses don't play fair, like Sabrina or Koga, whose aces are much higher levelled than Erika's team. Since some G1 Pokémon got the Fairy-type and that many of the original 151 are Poison-types, the difficulty would still be there. Just don't give players the chance to get Mega Gyarados that easily before Sabrina at the very least.

            3. The Story and Gameplay
            Kanto is one of those regions where you can just become a Trainer straight away in no less than 10 minutes. I'm not looking forward to what handholding might take place, though, as Alola insists on holding you back with sluggish and boring tutorials.

            I could see a Delta Episode-like postgame involving Mewtwo and Giovanni, though I would prefer not to be forced to capture the former, like how recent games would force you to catch the Mascot/Third Legendary to continue the game.
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            I'd much rather, if we have to revisit Kanto, that we get a new story and adventure out of it, rather than the same one. Add in the ability to explore Johto in full postgame and I'd be certainly more keen.

            I also don't want to see some design decisions in FRLG repeated here, such as the 'you can't evolve Pokemon like Golbat into Crobat, etc' "feature". Limiting trading with other games until doing a chunk of postgame was just obtuse too.
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            This idea has already most likely been taken, but I'm definitely not copying anyone else's idea - the whole premise of it is that Kanto is one of the least accessible regions right now. Sure, there's VC RBY, but they're emulations rather than the genuine article, and were only shoved in for Pokemon's 20th. There's HGSS, but that was a more watered down Kanto and Johto was the main focus of the plot, not Kanto.
            Nitpick - HGSS has a pretty large Kanto imo, unlike GSC (that Kanto was tiny). Only things that are really downsized are the dungeon of the Power Plant replaced by people working (makes sense), a radio tower in place of Pokemon Tower, and Mt Moon (which I can't say was a very fun experience in the first place!).
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            I agree, make it a completely new story with proper updated evolutions and mechanics (and graphics) and it'll be interesting!

            I'll just move this over to Pokémon Gaming Central, as it fits better there speculating, rather than talking about the old games as they are :)
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            I agree, make it a completely new story with proper updated evolutions and mechanics (and graphics) and it'll be interesting!

            I'll just move this over to Pokémon Gaming Central, as it fits better there speculating, rather than talking about the old games as they are :)
            It's needs more than that to be interesting. The layout is too well known, still. They should set it 100+ years into the future so that it'll be even more different.

            Definitely not the same time period; the region itself is still overplayed no matter how many new evolutions, mechanics and Pokemon they add. Kanto in 3D is still the same exact Kanto I've played through well over a dozen times.
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              It could be possible but personally Im more looking forward to to gen4 remakes since I like it more than gen1. But a 2nd gen1 remake would be fine, all I care about now is if I have a good game to play.
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              I'm honestly just done with Kanto lol

              if anything at all, if Gen 8 is a Red/Blue remake of some sort, make it the last one for like the next decade and a half.

              Kanto got enough special treatment over the generations and it doesn't need anymore than having its own game on the Switch.
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              I have no desire to return to Kanto at all. I didn't enjoy the Kanto games a lot. I thought that a lot of Kanto itself was badly designed and the region was quite boring. There were a lot of caves that we had to pass through and it was all grassland. Quite boring honestly.
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                Another one? Please NO.

                We have visited Kanto how many times now? 10? Red,blue,yellow,gold,silver,crystal,FR,LG,SS,HG
                And it is referenced in almost every single game at somepoint.

                There is really no need for even more Kanto, at least not for the next decade. If Pokemon Switch is Kanto as well then I shall be skipping it.
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                  Kanto is referenced WAY DAMNED TOO MUCH!
                  Honestly if Switch is going to be Kanto AGAIN and not brand new region... I am going to skip it.
                  GF has chosen easy route since blueprint is already here and all they need to do is decorate it without needing to create something new.
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                  A friend brought up too, that Kanto was at its best way back in Gen 1, despite the glitches.

                  I can't disagree either. It had a sort of edge to it that the gen 3 games couldn't recapture, and I doubt the Switch could either.

                  Kanto was so memorable because it was on that scrappy little GB game; it still resonates with people in that form too. Lavender Town, anyone?
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                    Kind of sad i don't have a switch.
                    Because it would be awesome to know those remakes.
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                      A friend brought up too, that Kanto was at its best way back in Gen 1, despite the glitches.

                      I can't disagree either. It had a sort of edge to it that the gen 3 games couldn't recapture, and I doubt the Switch could either.

                      Kanto was so memorable because it was on that scrappy little GB game; it still resonates with people in that form too. Lavender Town, anyone?
                      A Kanto remake could be done if only to introduce Mega Evolutions and Pokemon Contests but aside from that... what's left to add that FireRed/LeafGreen didn't do a decent job in doing? Furthermore, as you mentioned, Generation 1 had a certain charm to it that can't be quantified or captured on a modern platform. The limitations of the old school Gameboy made for a unique experience, glitches and all(and frankly those glitches is what made them fun and unique).
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                        I will be more happy if the next gen is a kanto reboot than an game which is set on a new region. As per as i am concerned I don't think it will be a kanto reboot.
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                          I'd like to return to the Kanto region again eventually, but I think its too soon for that. We need at least one more set of original games and remakes of Diamond and Pearl before another set of Red/Blue remakes.
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                            lol looks like GF did remake Kanto even before gen 8. They can't seem to leave that Kanto fetish behind.
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                            Yeah, it happened. I actually called it two years ago that we'd get a 3D Kanto reboot, I just got the year wrong. Game freak will never leave Kanto behind. No matter how many times people want it to be, it won't. I don't particularly care that we're getting another Kanto remake, I knew it was coming for years, and I was right.
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                            I don't think I ever doubted the fact that another Kanto game was coming, but I figured Game Freak and Nintendo might've wanted to wait until 2021 when Pokemon's 25th anniversary rolled around. And sure, hardcore fans like us might not be completely thrilled about them going back to Kanto again (especially as the first game on a new console), but they know most of us who are able to will buy it anyway, and it'll grab the attention of the older generation of Pokemon fans who moved on from the series after Pokemania died down.
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