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Pokemon Sun and Moon Ratings

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Well the fact that the show is still on and they continue making movies, and it is now 20 years that it has aired in Japan, shows that it is successful enough to continue on. There's no way to argue that. I've heard Pokémon is more popular in the western hemisphere than it is Japan anyway, and while the popularity here isn't what it was in 1998-2000, the games are still played and merchandise is still purchased.
 
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Well the fact that the show is still on and they continue making movies, and it is now 20 years that it has aired in Japan, shows that it is successful enough to continue on. There's no way to argue that. I've heard Pokémon is more popular in the western hemisphere than it is Japan anyway, and while the popularity here isn't what it was in 1998-2000, the games are still played and merchandise is still purchased.

Had I been an executive, the very second Pokémon starts to dip in ratings or box office revenue, and there's no remedy, I pull the plug on it, regardless of whether it sold well. So no, that doesn't work, not when Super Mario World's TV series got cancelled despite succeeding in selling several game cartridges for the namesake game (and yes, that was the intended purpose for that TV show). And I know I'd do that because that's pretty much what ALL executives have done (heck, Disney essentially pulled the plug on 2D Animation films just because Winnie the Pooh didn't perform as well as they wanted in the box office, not caring that the only reason it did as badly as it did was because they had the "great idea" [sarcasm] to release the movie on the exact same day as Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2). They've even done it in Japan with Love Hina.
 
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Sun and Moon series is rebooted series of pokemon anime to represent video game. It's not continuation of XYZ. It is totally different than main story. That's what I believe.
It is a continuation of XYZ, just like Black and White series is a continuation of Diamond and Pearl. It's just Ash's design and personality that changed.
 

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Had I been an executive, the very second Pokémon starts to dip in ratings or box office revenue, and there's no remedy, I pull the plug on it, regardless of whether it sold well. So no, that doesn't work, not when Super Mario World's TV series got cancelled despite succeeding in selling several game cartridges for the namesake game (and yes, that was the intended purpose for that TV show). And I know I'd do that because that's pretty much what ALL executives have done (heck, Disney essentially pulled the plug on 2D Animation films just because Winnie the Pooh didn't perform as well as they wanted in the box office, not caring that the only reason it did as badly as it did was because they had the "great idea" [sarcasm] to release the movie on the exact same day as Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2). They've even done it in Japan with Love Hina.

If you where a japanese exec you wouldn't think that way... The difference between west and japan are apparent even how they run their businesses. A commercial is a commercial... in the end ratings or no, it does it job.

Satoshi and Pikachu are both ingraned in japanese otaku culture, they're a recognizable brand. A lot of shows still air to this day that have worse ratings than pokemon, anime that don't even break 2.5 yet still run to this day.

They don't care about ratings or box office numbers... they care about that commercial enticing people to buy the game... the TCG... and the tons of collectibles that they sell.

Look at it this way weedle... Kuroko no Basuket has an anthology movie that's basically a cut to peices ver of the anime. They took 30 episodes and cut it to a run time of 1 hr and 30 mins no new content added in, just literally the show's episodes spliced together... In the west there would be an outcry for that sort of practice... But in japan that's celebrated. Do you see the issue here? applying western Ideals and values to japanese is wrong, expecting a different culture to act the same as yours is complicated. And in the end you're only going to be disappointed.

Why do you think that the japanese don't even bat an eye at the pachinko machines that konami makes? its different... heck they use fictional characters to market stuff all the time. Naked Snake once sold a car and junk food.

If pokemon where made in the west tho... yep the show will definitely be canceled. But the shows going to be complete trash especially if it started in the early 90's. The show's protagonist would be a teenager with a stupid voice, with an awful catch phrase, with a dark story, set in a vaguely futuristic world that is also dark... oh and they'd make an original characters (Probably a token Nerd who acts like a dumb idiot and Hot girl who obviously got the hots for him for no reason at all) to be his companions... They're going to stop the nefarious plot of the evil corporation team rocket.

Still I agree the show would be canceled if a westerner is calling the shots.
 
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Exactly CidHazard. Pokémon is so engrained in Japanese culture and as long as it makes revenue from advertising and game/merchandise sales there's really no way it would be cancelled. For the US purposes, it's advertising for the games and merchandise and because the US company isn't animating it it's cheaper to produce than other animated shows so it will stay on as long as it has a network. If it was an original US production it likely would've ended already, but then again there's cartoons like SpongeBob Squarepants that continue to produce new episodes despite long outliving their phenomenon status and dropping dramatically in quality because they still get enough revenue.
 

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Exactly CidHazard. Pokémon is so engrained in Japanese culture and as long as it makes revenue from advertising and game/merchandise sales there's really no way it would be cancelled. For the US purposes, it's advertising for the games and merchandise and because the US company isn't animating it it's cheaper to produce than other animated shows so it will stay on as long as it has a network. If it was an original US production it likely would've ended already, but then again there's cartoons like SpongeBob Squarepants that continue to produce new episodes despite long outliving their phenomenon status and dropping dramatically in quality because they still get enough revenue.

Cheaper to produce... not really it should be around the same ball park. Tho Anime studio's have a much more limited budget and schedule. Anime studio's are basically contractors after all.

Difference is Western cartoons have a more stylized style... more deformed characters. Look at a show like steven universe compared to your average anime.

Since the characters are smaller and more stylized... their able to easily stretch the characters models without much dissonance to the viewer. So you get more variety in facial expressions and way more movement on screen.

Anime studio's don't really have the luxury of fully animating a character or scene at times so they use tricks to fool you that something is moving. Most of the time you'll get a characters face on screen and only their lips would move for a full minute.

Also, Western studio's have majority of the episodes finished before the season even airs. While Japanese studio's have to manage episode by a weak to weak basis. Some episodes that are made months in advance, have to be made in conjunction with the weeks episode.

Recently there has been a movement to modernize the production of anime to make it cheaper. UFO table is famous for using cg and post production in TV shows. If you look at a scene in Fate/Zero or Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade works (TV). You'd notice that the show is almost at movie quality in terms of visuals... at a TV show's budget. Other studio's have slowly modernized their processes. A-1, Mad House, Trigger (Birthed from the pioneers of modern japanese animation Gainax), Kyoto Animation, and now OLM.

In Pokemon Try to view Pokemon XY first episode and SuMo's episode side by side and look at how much movement is on screen. Or take any moe show airing and set it side by side with Hibike Euphonium. It's almost unfair how far ahead these studio's are in terms of their processes and software.

Seriously look at what these studio's are capable of

Ufo Table
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oe0AO2WW04

Trigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dszf2E2I0k

Kyoto Animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVT1uwN_4Fk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2pRHJYU9QQ&t=14s

OLM is heading in the right direction... they're only 28 episodes in and only getting better :D
 
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If you where a japanese exec you wouldn't think that way... The difference between west and japan are apparent even how they run their businesses. A commercial is a commercial... in the end ratings or no, it does it job.

The Super Mario World TV series was essentially a commercial as well, a commercial for the game of the same name. And it certainly did its job in, you know, actually selling the games. Didn't stop it from being cancelled. Not to mention Love Hina already met the same fate there, literally being unfinished by a significant degree, despite essentially promoting the manga (if it was successful, it would be as long running as Dragon Ball/Z/Super).

Satoshi and Pikachu are both ingraned in japanese otaku culture, they're a recognizable brand. A lot of shows still air to this day that have worse ratings than pokemon, anime that don't even break 2.5 yet still run to this day.

So? Mario also is ingrained in Japanese otaku culture, or heck, any gaming culture for that matter even during the early 1990s, not to mention today. Even that popularity for Mario didn't save Super Mario World from cancellation due to bad ratings. And the Mario franchise itself was not even CLOSE to negatively affected with that series cancellation. And Pok?mon, for the record, is also ingrained into Western culture as well, being referenced in The Simpsons of all places, and even having one of its movie ending themes being referenced by one of our politicians during a campaign.

They don't care about ratings or box office numbers... they care about that commercial enticing people to buy the game... the TCG... and the tons of collectibles that they sell.

Yeah, and according to Bandai's List, the biggest toy distributor in Japan, the merchandising sales for Pok?mon are actually decreasing, which would logically necessitate a cancellation even if we use the Japanese aspect [since, if it sells poorly, ie, decrease in sales, it fails in its purpose. Economics 101.]. And the entire point of those movies since Jirachi Wishmaker was to essentially get people to get the mythical Pok?mon, and if they underperform in the box office, that means they sold far less mythical Pok?mon than expected, which essentially means they failed in their advertisings in addition to the box office since they're literally one and the same in this situation. Let's put it another way: Suppose you were going to make the latest addition to the DC or Marvel line of movies, and as usual, you distribute a comic book with a ticket to act as contextualization for what's happening on-screen, as well as to essentially sell more merchandise for the film. After the movie comes and goes, the movie is discovered to have underperformed at the box office, performed far less than even the previous bomb you had which was a significant while back. Are you going to claim that the movie was successful in even merchandising? No! You'd claim it to be an absolute failure. It's the exact same principle here.

Look at it this way weedle... Kuroko no Basuket has an anthology movie that's basically a cut to peices ver of the anime. They took 30 episodes and cut it to a run time of 1 hr and 30 mins no new content added in, just literally the show's episodes spliced together... In the west there would be an outcry for that sort of practice... But in japan that's celebrated. Do you see the issue here? applying western Ideals and values to japanese is wrong, expecting a different culture to act the same as yours is complicated. And in the end you're only going to be disappointed.

Actually, I'm not sure most Westerners would be up in arms against it. The Gargoyles movie and Kim Possible's "So the Drama" did something similar (splice the first five episodes of the series as well as three episodes into a feature-length movie, respectively, without any new content), and no one complained about that. Heck, Pok?mon DP when airing that special on Cartoon Network before the official premiere of the series outside Japan essentially made a movie by splicing the first three episodes with no new content and, if anything, actually cut content from the individual episodes (like Paul's actual first appearance, for example).

Why do you think that the japanese don't even bat an eye at the pachinko machines that konami makes? its different... heck they use fictional characters to market stuff all the time. Naked Snake once sold a car and junk food.

Yeah, I'm aware of that bit, and to a lesser degree, I'm aware that Naked Snake sold junk food (I assume you're either meaning the Calorie Mate from Snake Eater or the Doritos/Pepsi NEX/Mountain Dew collaboration for Peace Walker). Don't recall him ever promoting a car, though.

If pokemon where made in the west tho... yep the show will definitely be canceled. But the shows going to be complete trash especially if it started in the early 90's. The show's protagonist would be a teenager with a stupid voice, with an awful catch phrase, with a dark story, set in a vaguely futuristic world that is also dark... oh and they'd make an original characters (Probably a token Nerd who acts like a dumb idiot and Hot girl who obviously got the hots for him for no reason at all) to be his companions... They're going to stop the nefarious plot of the evil corporation team rocket.

Actually, not all Western TV shows are like what you described, especially regarding video game adaptations. I know the Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World wasn't anything like that, nor was SATAM (well, okay, Robotropolis may qualify to a certain degree, but not the other bits). Besides, Pok?mon started in the late 1990s, even in Japan, let alone America. And if I were one of those Western writers making the show, I'd make sure it's pretty close to what we got back in Kanto (probably the only real difference is toning down the Japanese elements to a certain degree [in other words, Samurai can be kept since most people are familiar with them, but stuff like the Summer Festival will probably be cut due to the average joe being unfamiliar with those concepts], and probably contextualizing any cultural references to be something we Westerners would actually recognize).

Still I agree the show would be canceled if a westerner is calling the shots.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they would have cancelled it all the same regardless of whether it was Japanese or Westerner, especially when Japan's cancelled shows that performed horribly in terms of ratings before even if they DID sell well, like with Kirby Right Back at Ya, Sonic X, and Love Hina.
 

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The Super Mario World TV series was essentially a commercial as well, a commercial for the game of the same name. And it certainly did its job in, you know, actually selling the games. Didn't stop it from being cancelled. Not to mention Love Hina already met the same fate there, literally being unfinished by a significant degree, despite essentially promoting the manga (if it was successful, it would be as long running as Dragon Ball/Z/Super).

So? Mario also is ingrained in Japanese otaku culture, or heck, any gaming culture for that matter even during the early 1990s, not to mention today. Even that popularity for Mario didn't save Super Mario World from cancellation due to bad ratings. And the Mario franchise itself was not even CLOSE to negatively affected with that series cancellation. And Pok?mon, for the record, is also ingrained into Western culture as well, being referenced in The Simpsons of all places, and even having one of its movie ending themes being referenced by one of our politicians during a campaign.

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they would have cancelled it all the same regardless of whether it was Japanese or Westerner, especially when Japan's cancelled shows that performed horribly in terms of ratings before even if they DID sell well, like with Kirby Right Back at Ya, Sonic X, and Love Hina.

Lets talk about both Super Mario World and Super mario 3 tv shows... those shows did not originated nor aired in japan. So the argument here is moot. The japanese market had no awareness of the show nor did they care about the show... and as acorance to my research Nintendo only asked for a limited run... Super Mario Bro's 3 had a 26 episode run and Super Mario world had a 12 episode run. They weren't cancelled they ended there's a difference there.

Both Kirby right back at ya and Sonic X weren't cancelled are you seriously going to use these two as an argument? these two shows ended definitively. Kirby had his final battle with Nightmare, and Sonic X had the main character Chris going back home after doctor Egg Man had a "change" of heart. So how where these shows canceled exactly? in what way?

Love hina TV ended after its 26 episode run... with 2 TV Specials and 3 OVA's that concluded the anime's story. If you read the manga you'd notice that a lot stories they didn't cover to fit the shows 26 episode run, because they where only going to run 26 episodes... the three episode OVA's released on DVD that wrapped up the anime's story with both Naru and Keitaro flying off into the sunset... not to mention that the manga's story already ended at the time. There was no season 2 plans to be cancelled. it ended.

A lot of Shows based on LN's and Manga have limited TV show runs. Only lasting 12 to 26 episodes, sometimes a 26 episode series is split into two seasons. The Anime is only promotional material for the LN / Manga after the show ends the viewers would have to buy the manga / LN to find out what happens next. this is a common practice weedle you can't deny it. if the show gets really popular (Or just popular if your in Shounen Jump) Then and only then will there be talks of a second season. Each series has they're own arcs and the creators often morph their stories in a way that the show has a beginning middle and end for a 12 or 26 episode run. If they wan't more buy they'll buy the manga or VN.

Every show can't be dragon ball super or pokemon, some of the creators of these show have a limited budget. So going for a 2nd season or a 50+ anime run is almost impossible for those who don't have the backing of a Shounen Jump or Ban Dai. The shows weren't cancelled the creator just wanted a limited run, they just want exposure for the original work.

Time and time and again even if the show is absolute garbage with a niche audience... if the creators want a second season or series they will get it. This isn't like in the west where shows are beholden to executives, they're beholden to the creators who wan't the next Game of Thrones, Walking Dead or Breaking bad... and if the show is terrible or under performs they get unceremoniously cut.

Yeah, and according to Bandai's List, the biggest toy distributor in Japan, the merchandising sales for Pok?mon are actually decreasing, which would logically necessitate a cancellation even if we use the Japanese aspect [since, if it sells poorly, ie, decrease in sales, it fails in its purpose. Economics 101.]. And the entire point of those movies since Jirachi Wishmaker was to essentially get people to get the mythical Pok?mon, and if they underperform in the box office, that means they sold far less mythical Pok?mon than expected, which essentially means they failed in their advertisings in addition to the box office since they're literally one and the same in this situation. Let's put it another way: Suppose you were going to make the latest addition to the DC or Marvel line of movies, and as usual, you distribute a comic book with a ticket to act as contextualization for what's happening on-screen, as well as to essentially sell more merchandise for the film. After the movie comes and goes, the movie is discovered to have underperformed at the box office, performed far less than even the previous bomb you had which was a significant while back. Are you going to claim that the movie was successful in even merchandising? No! You'd claim it to be an absolute failure. It's the exact same principle here.

Decreasing? weedle The Pokemon Companies revenue increased from 2015's 2.5 billion to 3.3 billion in 2016... how is that decreasing? how is that a failure?

https://nintendowire.com/news/2017/...nerated-3-3-billion-revenue-2016-fiscal-year/

Granted merchandising sales did increase because of Pokemon GO and Pokemon Sun and Moon.

Also those block buster movies cannot be saved by merch you know why? because they need millions of dollars in movie tickets just to break even. Look the marvel movies have what 200+ million dollars in production alone? if they make only 150 million which is a large sum of money... they're still screwed.

What about pokemon? for reference the first Pokemon Movie had only had a budget of 30 million... the games alone, that the movie was promoting. Could easily make up the loss not to mention the thousands of cards, merch, dvd's they sell over the course of a year... not to mention that even at its lowest the pokemon movie still made 22 mil.

Now A marvel movie no matter how popular, even if it does sell millions of copies of comic books that's like what 4 dollars? its still won't matter becuase the budget of the film is so astronomically huge and the loss is just too great they had to make back 150$ plus... Pokemon? Even if the film gross 22 mil like the hoopa movie Nintendo can easily sell 100 thousand units of a game that's 40$ not to mention game consoles that's about what 100$. The card game (People buy multiple 89$ card boxes) and the merch (Toys and plushies should be around 14$ a pop) and the DVD release (Should be around 14$). It could easily make the money back and more.

Is the film a box office failure for not breaking even... yes. Did it do its job by promoting the source material yes.

also only the first two movies had a budget of 30 mil. It's reported that the later movies worked with a much lower production budget.

Pokemon was at a decline but Pokemon Go and the New direction of Sun and Moon injected a new life to the series.

Yeah, I'm aware of that bit, and to a lesser degree, I'm aware that Naked Snake sold junk food (I assume you're either meaning the Calorie Mate from Snake Eater or the Doritos/Pepsi NEX/Mountain Dew collaboration for Peace Walker). Don't recall him ever promoting a car, though.

They had a Ford focus commercial. Tho I think it was Solid Snake and Otakon not Naked Snake.

Actually, not all Western TV shows are like what you described, especially regarding video game adaptations. I know the Adventures of Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World wasn't anything like that, nor was SATAM (well, okay, Robotropolis may qualify to a certain degree, but not the other bits). Besides, Pok?mon started in the late 1990s, even in Japan, let alone America. And if I were one of those Western writers making the show, I'd make sure it's pretty close to what we got back in Kanto (probably the only real difference is toning down the Japanese elements to a certain degree [in other words, Samurai can be kept since most people are familiar with them, but stuff like the Summer Festival will probably be cut due to the average joe being unfamiliar with those concepts], and probably contextualizing any cultural references to be something we Westerners would actually recognize).

It was supposed to be a joke XD I do remember shows like Sonic, Mighty Ducks, Megaman Super Fighting Robot... going a bit overboard with the setting and plots tho. I also remember that weird 3d Donkey Kong TV show with the catchpharse bananaslama... hmm XD
 
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Lets talk about both Super Mario World and Super mario 3 tv shows... those shows did not originated nor aired in japan. So the argument here is moot. The japanese market had no awareness of the show nor did they care about the show... and as acorance to my research Nintendo only asked for a limited run... Super Mario Bro's 3 had a 26 episode run and Super Mario world had a 12 episode run. They weren't cancelled they ended there's a difference there.

Super Mario Bros 3 definitely ended as it was supposed to from what I've read on Mario Wiki, but Super Mario World was cut short definitely, having watched that series as a child on the Saturday Block (they didn't even have a final battle with Bowser, or King Koopa as he was called, like in the games. It literally ended with a bedtime story regarding Yoshi's birth that occurred well before the events of the series.).

As far as whether the Japanese market had any awareness of the show, I'm not sure about the average joe in Japan, but I definitely know that the Japanese creators of that game most certainly had awareness of the show, considering that DiC were making the show before the games were even localized (this can be proven by the Koopalings, or Koopa Kids, as they were called, being given completely different names from what we know them by in the games. Like for example, Larry Koopa = Cheatsy Koopa. This was because in the original Super Mario Bros. 3 in Japan, the Koopalings were literally nameless, which essentially means DIC had to have gotten the Japanese game to work on the show. It's also the reason why Bowser's called "King Koopa" in the various show despite already having a localized name of Bowser, because that's his Japanese name.). And in order for DIC to do that, the Japanese needed to let them have access to the Japanese materials for them to work on those shows, get the necessary elements needed to produce the show.

Both Kirby right back at ya and Sonic X weren't cancelled are you seriously going to use these two as an argument? these two shows ended definitively. Kirby had his final battle with Nightmare, and Sonic X had the main character Chris going back home after doctor Egg Man had a "change" of heart. So how where these shows canceled exactly? in what way?

Okay, those were bad examples, I'll admit. But the MegaMan Star Force Anime most certainly was cancelled without an actual ending.

Love hina TV ended after its 26 episode run... with 2 TV Specials and 3 OVA's that concluded the anime's story. If you read the manga you'd notice that a lot stories they didn't cover to fit the shows 26 episode run, because they where only going to run 26 episodes... the three episode OVA's released on DVD that wrapped up the anime's story with both Naru and Keitaro flying off into the sunset... not to mention that the manga's story already ended at the time. There was no season 2 plans to be cancelled. it ended.

A lot of Shows based on LN's and Manga have limited TV show runs. Only lasting 12 to 26 episodes, sometimes a 26 episode series is split into two seasons. The Anime is only promotional material for the LN / Manga after the show ends the viewers would have to buy the manga / LN to find out what happens next. this is a common practice weedle you can't deny it. if the show gets really popular (Or just popular if your in Shounen Jump) Then and only then will there be talks of a second season. Each series has they're own arcs and the creators often morph their stories in a way that the show has a beginning middle and end for a 12 or 26 episode run. If they wan't more buy they'll buy the manga or VN.

Every show can't be dragon ball super or pokemon, some of the creators of these show have a limited budget. So going for a 2nd season or a 50+ anime run is almost impossible for those who don't have the backing of a Shounen Jump or Ban Dai. The shows weren't cancelled the creator just wanted a limited run, they just want exposure for the original work.

Time and time and again even if the show is absolute garbage with a niche audience... if the creators want a second season or series they will get it. This isn't like in the west where shows are beholden to executives, they're beholden to the creators who wan't the next Game of Thrones, Walking Dead or Breaking bad... and if the show is terrible or under performs they get unceremoniously cut.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Pok?mon right now is more like Western shows than traditional animes (especially when the Pok?mon anime right now is being run by executives more than the actual creators. In fact, in some of his blog entries, Takeshi Shudo actually was disgusted with the direction the show went starting late Johto and up to AG).

Decreasing? weedle The Pokemon Companies revenue increased from 2015's 2.5 billion to 3.3 billion in 2016... how is that decreasing? how is that a failure?

https://nintendowire.com/news/2017/...nerated-3-3-billion-revenue-2016-fiscal-year/

Granted merchandising sales did increase because of Pokemon GO and Pokemon Sun and Moon.

I'll admit, that may actually be news to me, but on the other hand... this was what I was referring to:

https://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=8556080&postcount=97

Also those block buster movies cannot be saved by merch you know why? because they need millions of dollars in movie tickets just to break even. Look the marvel movies have what 200+ million dollars in production alone? if they make only 150 million which is a large sum of money... they're still screwed.

What about pokemon? for reference the first Pokemon Movie had only had a budget of 30 million... the games alone, that the movie was promoting. Could easily make up the loss not to mention the thousands of cards, merch, dvd's they sell over the course of a year... not to mention that even at its lowest the pokemon movie still made 22 mil.

Yes, except under the idea that they're only advertisements, it also needs to succeed the millions of dollars in movie tickets to not only break even, but also successfully distribute said advertisements, like with Hoopa being downloadable via theaters.

Is the film a box office failure for not breaking even... yes. Did it do its job by promoting the source material yes.

It's not successful at its job if it's a box office failure, period, and that's doubly true if it's a marketing gimmick. If you fail to distribute a high number of Mythical Pok?mon, it is a bust, pure and simple.

also only the first two movies had a budget of 30 mil. It's reported that the later movies worked with a much lower production budget.

According to Dogasu, both Hoopa and Volcanion's movies were utter box office disasters, even taking into account the budget, managing to perform even worse than Pok?mon Heroes. Even Diancie's movie, while doing slightly better than Pok?mon Heroes, nonetheless was not impressive at the box office, and resulted in the movie writer since the first Celebi movie getting sacked and replaced as a result.

Pokemon was at a decline but Pokemon Go and the New direction of Sun and Moon injected a new life to the series.

We'll see. If it goes back to a decline next year, it's pretty clear it didn't save it (I suspect the only reason things are booming right now is because it's the 20th anniversary period for the anime).

They had a Ford focus commercial. Tho I think it was Solid Snake and Otakon not Naked Snake.

Yeah, that was actually Solid Snake instead of Naked Snake, and Metal Gear Solid 1, not to mention. Though I'm not sure if that really counts since that seemed more directed towards the American audiences than Japanese audiences, even using the English voice actors for them.

It was supposed to be a joke XD I do remember shows like Sonic, Mighty Ducks, Megaman Super Fighting Robot... going a bit overboard with the setting and plots tho. I also remember that weird 3d Donkey Kong TV show with the catchpharse bananaslama... hmm XD

I'm pretty sure Mighty Ducks was not based on any Japanese shows, though, more the live action Mighty Ducks movies involving the Anaheim Ducks hockey team. Fair point regarding Sonic and Mega Man, though. And I remember that 3D Donkey Kong TV show.
 
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Okay, those were bad examples, I'll admit. But the MegaMan Star Force Anime most certainly was cancelled without an actual ending.

That show was good too damn it... sigh... I feel Capcom killed off The star force series as a whole prematurely. The last game of the series which ties in with battle network wasn't even released outside of japan.
 

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I just can't watch Pokemon SM any more. It is just like horror movie for me. It's a big nightmare. It is just like..... I have no word. It is terrible. It has totally become cartoon!!! OMG, They'll have to do something.
 
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I grew tired of waiting for ANN to post so went to videor.co.jp to fetch them. You'll want to look for: ??????????????? while under list number 5 (that's the animation list). Ctrl + F might make things easier for you.

It's pretty easy to find it if your Japanese isn't great, it shows the date of airing as year/month/day and also has relevant TV channel and timeslot (TV Tokyo, 18:55-30).
 
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Thanks for the source Frozocrone... ANN's been lazy at updating their list recently so having the actual source is appreciated.

Now back to the topic at hand, Did something happen to the children of Japan during and After golden week? All shows from top 5-10 took a hit in that span of time... with shows like Thomas the tank engine taking top spots.

My cousins visits us here in our country during the Golden Week so I couldn't really ask them why.
 

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I think the last episode got less than 3.0. My last link should auto update but if not I'll scour the internet for another source.

EDIT: it looks like 3.7
 
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So, what's the rating now?

Also, think anyone can post the poll results for Ash's Pokémon, like you guys did with Ash's former companions?
 
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So, what's the rating now?

Also, think anyone can post the poll results for Ash's Pokémon, like you guys did with Ash's former companions?

I don't know but the 1st Pokemon opening being replayed for the first time since 2002-2004 have probably helped the ratings of SM030 (nostalgia fanservice).

Now for your question :

https://animeanime.jp/article/2017/05/09/33795.html

1. Charizard
2. Pikachu
3. Infernape
4. Greninja
5. Butterfree
 
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well, from the TV-Tokyo official site Pokemon Sun Moon is on 6th place while Yokai Watch is not even in the best 10. i think the most popular anime on TV-Tokyo right now is Idol Time PuriPara and Boruto.
 
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